Chelsea reach agreement to sign Cesc Fábregas

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Maybe Pique told Del Bosque that Cesc has told him that the press are convinced it's a done deal for 33 mil?

Something is very very fish about all that. Both Pique and Del Bosque are experienced enough not to know or to forget that they were being recorded/watched.
 
Shinjisan said:
What Rooney or Giggs did was morally reprehensible. Still it was their personal life and they are answerable to their wife and brother respectively. No one else.

What Jose did or does, by poking other managers eyes or calling another respected manager a 'specialist in failure' isn't expected behavior from the manager of the biggest club in world football. He repeatedly crosses the line and thinks of himself as some kind of a hero.

Comparing the acts of Rooney/Giggs to Jose to make a case for him is asinine at the best. It's apples and oranges.
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So we arent just a club full of classy people from top to bottom, we're also definitely the biggest club in the world now? You'l struggle to find people that agree with you outside of United fans and even the sensible ones among them will tell you we arent. We're among the top ones but certainly not the biggest. The club best positioned to take that honour would perhaps be Real Madrid.

Regarding the morality, we are a normal club like most others. We've had our cnuts in the past, we have some now and we'l have some in the future as well. Some clubs have many of them, some have few, but pretty much every club has them and we're no different. We aren't some kind of a messiah keeping club football clean. What Jose did was wrong and am pretty sure he knows that. But to say a man like that is too classless for us and Chelsea fans accept it just because they arent a classy bunch in the 1st place is absolutely ridiculous. Specially when you consider our interim manager recently and current assistant manager is hardly what you'd call a classy guy. To paint all Chelsea fans as classless reflects poorly on the poster.

Every club has its good supporters and its shite ones, we are no different. To say the Chelsea fans being classless is why they accept Jose is delusional. This place is unbelievable at times with people sitting on high horses. Yes, Giggsy's only answerable to his kin but to brush it off as if it doesnt have any impact on the club while Mourinho's antics somehow totally destroys the club's image is nonsense. Like it or now, as great a player and legend giggs is, what he did was pathetic, calling another manager 'a specialist in failure' pales so far into insignificance that I dont even know where to start.
 
Ruht said:
I'd have them as one of the favourites for the CL as well, should they get all those players. Scary prospect that. Given that Jose's second seasons are usually better as well, they are looking well-placed for either competition.

Mind you, they have done excellent business lately. Both with selling and adding players.
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Too many good teams in the CL, more than their squad, it'l be Mourinho's managerial abilities that's their best bet for the CL.
 
Plugsy said:
Working on our own targets?

It isn't a race, first person to make a signing doesn't win the transfer market
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It is not a race but certainly there's more urgency for us to strengthen the side then Chelsea.

Oh well we can always rely on final hour bids. Those players tend to work great for us.
 
devilish said:
It is not a race but certainly there's more urgency for us to strengthen the side then Chelsea.

Oh well we can always rely on final hour bids. Those players tend to work great for us.
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It's only early June there's a while before we get to final hour bids. I'd have liked to have us sign someone by now but considering we don't even have a manager until mid-July and everyone is at the World Cup anyway, getting things done early or late isn't really going to matter that much.
 
NJM78 said:
Why would we sell Mata? Mata is a number 10 so is Kagawa, Rooney thinks he is a number 10. Fabregas is not.

Also I was using two midfield examples not people who we must buy.

There wasn't a place for Kagawa in our current side last season and I touched on dropping Rooney which is my opinion.
So nothing is barmy and no one is suggesting that LVG will 100% play a 3 man midfield. He might, he might not.
If he is going to stick with wingers and a two man midfield we will need to buy at least one of them as like our midfield our current wingers are pretty poor.
I was elaborating on the other post where everyone seems to think Cesc is a number 10, he is not like Mata, Mata is very similar to David Silva not Fabregas and anyone who watches La Liga regularly can see this.
Yes Fabregas is comfortable scoring and playing intricate through balls or long range passes. Scholes was like this and he couldn't tackle for shit and had very little pace, you would not say Scholes needs to play behind the CF. (Also I'm not suggesting he is as good as Scholsey either)

So who is the player our midfield needs? - I think it needs two personally.
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Well if we play a 3 man midfield like you were suggesting, Mata couldn't play. If we stick with a 2 man midfield, Fabregas wouldn't be able to play there against any decent level of opposition. I don't think he's a classic number 10 but for me he's much closer to that than he is to the sort of all round CM we'd need in the middle of the probable 4231.

I think we need two as well. I feel we've lacked a holder for years so someone who can shield the back four and play the ball sensibly through to the attacking midfielders is a priority for me. Then someone who can contribute creatively from deep, preferably a box to box player that can chip in with goals or a deep lying playmaker, though both would need a decent level of defensive ability and tactical/positional awareness.

I'm no scout so I can't say for sure what player suits each position, but Carvalho seems to match the first description pretty well. Then there are doubts over when Strootman could next play, but he matches the box to box role. Vidal would be the dream addition and for me Koke would be a perfect player to combine the playmaking and box to box roles, but both are unrealistic.
 
Plugsy said:
It's only early June there's a while before we get to final hour bids. I'd have liked to have us sign someone by now but considering we don't even have a manager until mid-July and everyone is at the World Cup anyway, getting things done early or late isn't really going to matter that much.
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Call me a pessimist and I hope I am but I can see a copy and paste summer season similar to the one we just experienced. The manager came late, there was no time to buy etc. Ah I forgot there's also the WC excuse to spice things up.

We've already seen people making this sort of excuses on MUTV.
 
devilish said:
Call me a pessimist and I hope I am but I can see a copy and paste summer season similar to the one we just experienced. The manager came late, there was no time to buy etc. Ah I forgot there's also the WC excuse to spice things up.

We've already seen people making this sort of excuses on MUTV.
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The problem is expectation. Woodward loves his spin but it's counter productive. If you leak you've got shitloads of cash and a bollock-full of targets then all people will do is get arsey when they don't come quickly. I'd prefer the Fergie approach of "happy with the squad" just to quell the anticipation of a spend ejaculation.
 
MrEriksen said:
Courtois
Ivanovic - Terry - Cahill - Azpilicueta
Matic - Fabregas
Willian - Oscar - Hazard
Costa​


Not too shabby.
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With that and City current squad we haven't a hope of catching them any time soon. Lets just hope Arsenal & Liverpool don't improve too much :(
 
Can he just hurry up and sign for Chelsea so this ends already.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I don't think Kagawa is suited to the premier league.
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Time will tell, but definitely if we had to put our 10s into style groups, Fabregas is more similar to Rooney as a 10, whereas Januzaj, Mata & Kagawa have another similiar style, seeing that we don't like Rooney as a 10, and feel that Mata with Kagawa could be our 10 options, I either can't see us going for Fabregas, or one of Januzaj/ Kagawa will become a perm winger or sold IMO
 
Mourinho's putting together a brilliant team. cnuts will be hard to beat next season.

As much as I think Fabregas is an absolutely top CM, I dont really mind us not getting him. But, we must have a plan and get other CMs. We cant go into the season with no additions there.
 
If Chelsea sign Fabregas, I put them down as favorites for the title next season. What a difference he would have made to us too in a CM role. RVP would be banging them in like there's no tomorrow.

Ah well, I'm sure we'll sort of our awful central midfield situation next summer.
 
I can see him struggling at Chelsea. There will be a lot of expectation on him, not to mention the absolute shit storm he's going to be in for from the bitter Arsenal supporters.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Well if we play a 3 man midfield like you were suggesting, Mata couldn't play. If we stick with a 2 man midfield, Fabregas wouldn't be able to play there against any decent level of opposition. I don't think he's a classic number 10 but for me he's much closer to that than he is to the sort of all round CM we'd need in the middle of the probable 4231.

I think we need two as well. I feel we've lacked a holder for years so someone who can shield the back four and play the ball sensibly through to the attacking midfielders is a priority for me. Then someone who can contribute creatively from deep, preferably a box to box player that can chip in with goals or a deep lying playmaker, though both would need a decent level of defensive ability and tactical/positional awareness.

I'm no scout so I can't say for sure what player suits each position, but Carvalho seems to match the first description pretty well. Then there are doubts over when Strootman could next play, but he matches the box to box role. Vidal would be the dream addition and for me Koke would be a perfect player to combine the playmaking and box to box roles, but both are unrealistic.
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I think Mata could play in 433 personally even though he lacks pace. I remember that brilliant Valencia team from 5-6 years back with Villa up top and Mata, Silva supporting in a 433. They could have dominated had those three not all been poached due to financial problems.

Yes I agree with the two types of player you suggest if playing a two man midfield. Keano is the best box to box midfielder in my time supporting the club but a player of that quality are few and far between. Vidal is immense by the games I have watched him play but I believe he is out of our reach for sure. So too Koke who will stay in Spain if he moves imo.

I like what I have seen of Carvalho but latest rumors were of him committing to Sporting, not sure if that is true.
Strootman is a brilliant player and is exactly the type of player we needed two years back when even his own coach at PSV was hinting he would join us in 2012. I'm gutted we missed out on him, not sure what SAF was thinking to be honest. I just think it is a huge gamble on him if bidding say in January window as no certainty Roma will sell or he will want to come. Can we compete for half a season with our current lot. I think not so for me we need to address this in the upcoming window.
 
He'll be a very good signing for Chelsea. It's a shame we've missed out on him but it would've been hard to see him sign for a club that isn't in the Champions League. Not to worry though, there's plenty more fish in the sea, so to speak.

Chelsea are building an excellent team under Mourinho. All they need is a replacement for Cole and they'll be looking very strong in all areas.
 
So in the time it has taken Chelsea to sign Fabregas and Costa we've signed absolutely nobody.

FFS.
 
MarcRed96 said:
He'll be a very good signing for Chelsea. It's a shame we've missed out on him but it would've been hard to see him sign for a club that isn't in the Champions League. Not to worry though, there's plenty more fish in the sea, so to speak.

Chelsea are building an excellent team under Mourinho. All they need is a replacement for Cole and they'll be looking very strong in all areas.
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Luis from Atletico seems inevitable.

What's funny is how we've been linked to him for a year now and yet its Chelsea that are signing him coming out of nowhere. :lol:
 
I'm not really sure why people weren't prepared for this under LvG. He's renowned for being strict with his targets and won't just bow down to the idea of signing top players purely because they've become available. I'm sure he has his targets and that we'll go after them for him, but I wouldn't expect many of them to be dream signings like Fabregas.

Also, he's not taking over until after the world cup.
 
Red Shorts said:
Fabregas and Costa.. feck me that is a good pair of deals there, two thirds of it funded by David Luiz too.
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Funny thing is that they're both Spaniards, who Jose apparently hates. Isn't another of their targets Luis the left back also Spanish?
 
A1X said:
So in the time it has taken Chelsea to sign Fabregas and Costa we've signed absolutely nobody.


FFS.
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We made a ridiculous bid for Shaw and then nothing else happened. :lol:

I'm expecting the worst again this summer despite all of the clubs talk.
 
adamwest said:
I can see him struggling at Chelsea. There will be a lot of expectation on him, not to mention the absolute shit storm he's going to be in for from the bitter Arsenal supporters.
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I disagree. It's not like the Özil situation at Arsenal where he joins the club and is instantly their best player. He won't be expected to carry a side like Özil was and be the best player on the pitch every game or he's crucified.
 
Cina said:
I'm not really sure why people weren't prepared for this under LvG. He's renowned for being strict with his targets and won't just bow down to the idea of signing top players purely because they've become available. I'm sure he has his targets and that we'll go after them for him, but I wouldn't expect many of them to be dream signings like Fabregas.

Also, he's not taking over until after the world cup.
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Exactly. It's very much the system over big names.
 
adamwest said:
I can see him struggling at Chelsea. There will be a lot of expectation on him, not to mention the absolute shit storm he's going to be in for from the bitter Arsenal supporters.
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I see him excelling. Their system suits his style perfectly. None of the tiki taka nonsense, direct passing in a front 4 full of pace. He'l relish the platform given to him.
 
Plugsy said:
The problem is expectation. Woodward loves his spin but it's counter productive. If you leak you've got shitloads of cash and a bollock-full of targets then all people will do is get arsey when they don't come quickly. I'd prefer the Fergie approach of "happy with the squad" just to quell the anticipation of a spend ejaculation.
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I hope you're right. However considering our inability to sign the quality players we need I wont hold my breath on it.
 
Cina said:
I'm not really sure why people weren't prepared for this under LvG. He's renowned for being strict with his targets and won't just bow down to the idea of signing top players purely because they've become available. I'm sure he has his targets and that we'll go after them for him, but I wouldn't expect many of them to be dream signings like Fabregas.

Also, he's not taking over until after the world cup.
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Exactly, frustrating as it is i doubt united will get any key signings this summer. Once LVG comes into office i probably think maybe one key signing and thats it...
 
Varun said:
Luis from Atletico seems inevitable.

What's funny is how we've been linked to him for a year now and yet its Chelsea that are signing him coming out of nowhere. :lol:
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Hopefully they get him, leaves us clear to sign Shaw.

I doubt we've failed to sign Fabregas as a result of us dithering about. There will be a combination of factors in his decision (ie London, Champions League etc) and I don't think Woodward deserves any blame for this either. Of course, it's very possible that Van Gaal decided against pursuing Cesc as he doesn't fit in with his plan. That may seem like a strange decision to some but I'm sure he'll have his own targets in mind.
 
MarcRed96 said:
Hopefully they get him, leaves us clear to sign Shaw.

I doubt we've failed to sign Fabregas as a result of us dithering about. There will be a combination of factors in his decision (ie London, Champions League etc) and I don't think Woodward deserves any blame for this either. Of course, it's very possible that Van Gaal decided against pursuing Cesc as he doesn't fit in with his plan. That may seem like a strange decision to some but I'm sure he'll have his own targets in mind.
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I dont mind it and neither would I put the blame on Woodward. As you said, there could have been plenty of reasons. In any case, I can understand us not going for him anyways, as great as he is, might not be the best option for us in a 2 man midfield. As long as we get players that LvG actually wants, I'm fine with it.
 
----------Costa----------
Hazard-----------Willian
-------Oscar--Cesc*----
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*Impending

All built within two seasons. Its unfair, they always manage to land their targets ffs.
 
United22 said:
----------Costa----------
Hazard-----------Willian
-------Oscar--Cesc*----
----------Matic-------

*Impending

All built within two seasons. Its unfair, they always manage to land their targets ffs.
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Its not unfair and its not surprising, we have a joke of a chairman who couldnt buy a pack of half eaten Rolos for £2
 
United22 said:
----------Costa----------
Hazard-----------Willian
-------Oscar--Cesc*----
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*Impending

All built within two seasons. Its unfair, they always manage to land their targets ffs.
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Nothing unfair about it. They just don't muck around.
 
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