Arsenal had the best record in the league vs bottom half teams. Our record was also pretty good, although our problems against the top half were significantly more pronounced than yours (worse even than Stoke):
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Arsenal had the best record in the league vs bottom half teams. Our record was also pretty good, although our problems against the top half were significantly more pronounced than yours (worse even than Stoke):
Pair him alongside a runner or a good interceptor and that'll instantly make it one of the best midfields in the league and probably one of the quality ones in Europe. He knows the PL well and can perform on a cold Wednesday night at Stoke so he ticks all the boxes really. Whether he comes here or not is another question but I'd be livid if we don't even try.
We may do, but at the moment it's a lot of "if's". Liverpool and Arsenal already have a fairly good team, the latter only really struggled because they can't beat anyone decent. It may take longer than a year to compete especially as signing top players isn't that easy for us right now. I'm sure it all could change by the time August 31st hits though, but footballers aren't long term thinking and I don't blame them if they are at the peak of their career. They don't want want to miss a year or two of CL football out.
Fabregas would be on £7.5m in our pay structure.
Well, unless we offered more, Arsenal would certainly be in pole position. If we upped it to 9, for example, I'd say the odds would swing back in our favour.
I think it's between Arsenal and us, personally. In the end, it'll most likely be the bigger pay package that wins.
Before or after tax?
There's no guarantee United will be back in the CL after next season, either.
or Chelsea will be there either. The season after next is a long long way off in football terms.
if you are trying to say you are a top team. you are not.
I doubt any suitor will need to go that high. Reports widely suggest he currently takes about €5m p/a from Barca.
If we buy the right players (Fabregas being very much the right sort of player), the chances of us returning to the CL are very, very good. We're two top midfielders away from winning the league, in my opinion, of course.
Of course. But we're talking about what you can offer to a potential newcomer now, not potentially in the near future.
Course there isn't. But we already have top drawer quality in our squad. If we plug three or four gaps with players like Fabregas and Shaw, we'll be an absolute shoo-in for the top four.
I'm quite enjoying the ridiculous under rating of United's prospects. Next season will be quite enjoyable, with opposition fans shovelling humble pie.
The idea that a player wouldn't join a club the magnitude of Man Utd because we are not in CL is year is a joke. Even if we were in it, how many years does the draw amounted to 'a group of death', like city you could be out before the knock out stage. What are you gonna do then, ask for a transfer to a team that 'looks' like it will qualify next year? If thats the case, Cesc should join Celtic. Its not about just playing in it, its the ability to win it that counts when we are talking about the 5% of footballers that are worth 40M+
Any player that says we are not in CL so he's not interested, its just another polite way to say you'll have to pay me more than either the team that I'm leaving or the team that equally wants me that are in the CL, but are paying me less.....Forget about CL, playing in capital cities, boyhood clubs, language or weather, it comes down to a few things:
First=Money, and whether its enough money to convince the wife/girlfriend/ or family to move. Second= Standing and Status. Who am I playing for and what will it mean to my brand, my standing and my status. It doesn't matter how much money someones gonna pay you, the thing that separates the players is who and where your applying your trade. Kudos is very important cause these are players that financially are on par with each other. The clubs standing in world football is priceless, and I'm sorry but you get a phone call from Real, Barca and Utd, there's only one answer. The problem is can you convince the other half to move.
Any player that says we are not in CL so he's not interested, its just another polite way to say you'll have to pay me more than either the team that I'm leaving or the team that equally wants me that are in the CL, but are paying me less.....Forget about CL, playing in capital cities, boyhood clubs, language or weather, it comes down to a few things:
First=Money, and whether its enough money to convince the wife/girlfriend/ or family to move. Second= Standing and Status. Who am I playing for and what will it mean to my brand, my standing and my status. It doesn't matter how much money someones gonna pay you, the thing that separates the players is who and where your applying your trade. Kudos is very important cause these are players that financially are on par with each other. The clubs standing in world football is priceless, and I'm sorry but you get a phone call from Real, Barca and Utd, there's only one answer. The problem is can you convince the other half to move.
in Cesc's case that's : 'Forkk off and die'.He has to be on a par with Ozil so it'll be 150K/week.
Do you think a Barca players never gone to Real or Arsenal player to Utd....RVP?
We're talking about Cesc baby.
I disagree, it would seem pretty clear that its:
1) Money
2) Trophies (chance of)
3) Prestige/Location (seemingly about equal)
We beat Arsenal for prestige, they murder us on location.
We seemingly will pay more than Arse.
Chances of trophies - I think you'd bet them pretty equally to win anything in the next few years.
We seemingly will pay more than Arse.
Chances of trophies - I think you'd bet them pretty equally to win anything in the next few years.
Yep, I can read the headlines now, Cesc turns down Man Utd 6m per year contract because he loves Arsenal too much. Funny cause Arsenal don't appear to share the same feelings towards Cesc cause they don't seem to want him back?
In which case, United will blow Arsenal out of the water.
United's wage bill has been reduced by around £200k p/w (conservative estimate) with the exits of Vidic, Ferdinand and Giggs. And that's before you allow for the additional spend that'll have been earmarked.
Put simply, if LvG wants to do it, he'll be able to spend silly money.
arse wins one trophy and out of the shadows they come...blah,blah,blah.
Adding him would be such a massive boost. It would help us attract a few others too.
No, he doesn't want to play for Mancunting United.
What bit, thought I said money?
Thought I said "Its not about just playing in it, its the ability to win it that counts" (trophies)?
Trust me, If the Wife and family aren't prepared to move, the players not going irrespective of how much money it is. The clubs at times spend more time convincing the partners of players to move, than player himself.....
There have been occasions where the wife and family stay put, and the player moves but this generally ends badly, and the player fails to settle.
I thought I said status and standing? Prestige of playing for a big club?
Location, How many Arsenal and Chelsea players actually live in London. Its like saying Man Utd players live in Manchester. Trust me, its as quick to get from Manchester to London as it it is for Ozil to drive into London.
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There's no guarantee that any club will be in the Champions League. That's why it's silly to use it as a reason.
Arsenal would clearly prefer to take back Song. I think if it's footballing reasons, his mind has to be for United, no one to compete with....compared to the peaking Ramsey amdWilshere in the middle, and further up Ozil and Cazorla for the AM spot. Forget that Rosicky just signed a new deal and Wenger enjoys giving him games, Oxlade has had his best games in CM for Arsenal and that Fabregas clearly wasn't fond of being shifted out of the middle at Barca. Sentimental luxury for Arsenal, but it'd be something they should do just so United don't get him either.
How did that work out for you last summer?
Well that remains to be seen.
Maybe he wants to join his good friend, Robin van Cuntface.
We have a better squad than Liverpool, their push was fueled by an immense season from Suarez and the fact they had to play less games than the opposition and had less pressure on them.
I don't know, who turned us down?
*^&*&%$.
Liverpool are being hugely overrated on the back of a season when they had relatively few games and injuries. Brenton recognises that things will be different next season, hence him moving quickly to plug the obvious gaps in their squad. The only problem is that they're getting in average-to-good players with no experience of winning. They won't be in the top four next season.
I expect them to drop out too, they just have too many holes to fill in one season. They have to balance out European football also teams will setup differently against them now. They will have to break teams down more. Moyes did really poorly not finishing in the top 4 and it was our home form that actually really hurt us. I would be disappointed if LVG couldn't get us at least top 4. But that being said this is the MOST competitive league around. 6-7 teams gunning for a top 4 spot. I feel like City and Chelsea already have two guaranteed. This Summer i so key, we can't slip further away. Our own hole s have to be addressed.
Of course there isn't I didn't say there was, but it's naive to assume that after 1 poor season after sir alex being replaced with moyes that Arsenal and Liverpool are both suddenly guaranteed better standings than us.
We're financially stronger than both, we have consistently been stronger than both since the inception of the premier league and this is the first time we have ever dropped out of the top 3. For the past 10 years Arsenal have done no better than 3rd of 4th and Liverpool shocked everyone by over achieving this year with their players playing out of their skin with only just the league to worry about.
Opposition fans will have you believe that we've fallen from grace, they've been trying to tell us that for the last ten years. One poor season out of 23 doesn't mean we're out of it good.
For example, if Chelsea and City were to have a bad season then you would expect them to just chuck money to a new manager and they'll be back the following year. If they're capable of doing that, then I see no reason why we can't and as long as we make our necessary signings then I'd expect us to finish above both Liverpool and Arsenal next season, I'll let the likes of Peterstorey laugh because for the first time in years they've added to their fourth place trophy so they feel quite invincible all of a sudden.
I'm starting to enjoy this thread as it's turning into a joke.
Arsenal are the better team, we can't compete, lets move on, Fab doesn't want to join Arsenal.
All the opinions of one person, none of which are fact.
One fact though, if Ozil is their highest player on 150k a week, and thats the top end of their 'pay structure', then if it came down to wages, as a factor, then we'd make 150k look like a joke
Arsenal are the better team, we can't compete, lets move on, Fab doesn't want to join Arsenal.
All the opinions of one person, none of which are fact.
One fact though, if Ozil is their highest player on 150k a week, and thats the top end of their 'pay structure', then if it came down to wages, as a factor, then we'd make 150k look like a joke
Lots of WUM bait from the Arsenal fans in this thread, all lapped up...
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