Charlie Adam 
Nowhere near good enough for us.
Nowhere near good enough for us.
Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool
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Why you hatin' bro'?
Charlie Adams.CL here we come.
I would rather have Adam than Anderson or Gibson. Anderson has no end product, and all Gibson can do is shoot.
Adam may be fat, but he runs all day, has a great pass on him, scores goals and his dead ball delivery is brilliant.
He won't be first choice, but it is a squad game.
Adam may be fat, but he runs all day, has a great pass on him, scores goals and his dead ball delivery is brilliant.
He won't be first choice, but it is a squad game.
Well the brutal truth is that in all likelihood, he'd probably walk into our first team in current state. I rate him as a player though, when the chips are down he produces, budget signing, but he'd surprise alot of people imo.
Playing for United is an entirely different thing to playing for blackpool. The pressure is much more intense and you're there to be shot down all the time. I'm not sure it would gee up the dressing room enough to be worth it. Players are muppets too, lets not forget. Obviously he's rated but at a time when Scholes has just retired, is Charlie Adam out best option? I'm not so sure
I think the point is that one player in CM isn't probably enough. So perhaps we sign one blockbuster CM and a budget CM. That would then give us:
Anderson, Giggs, Fletcher, Carrick, Gibson, CM, CM.
I suppose the question will be, what is more important, a blockbuster creative midfielder, or a blockbuster defensive midfielder because I doubt we'd have enough money to spend over 50million in CM this summer. Well, i'd be surprised if we did!
Anderson, Giggs, Fletcher, Carrick, Gibson, CM, CM.
I suppose the question will be, what is more important, a blockbuster creative midfielder, or a blockbuster defensive midfielder because I doubt we'd have enough money to spend over 50million in CM this summer. Well, i'd be surprised if we did!
Like people have said, he'd be a good squad option. Certainly would have to be starting in the CM ahead of Giggs, not that that will be much of an issue come next season. But a quality squad will win you the league, and having a player like Adam being rotated through would do United no harm.
Having said that I doubt they'll make a move for him. I think he'll end up at a club like Everton or Newcastle.
Having said that I doubt they'll make a move for him. I think he'll end up at a club like Everton or Newcastle.
The idea is to be the best, buying players like Adam and indeed Young doesn't help towards that.
I agree with you, look at how Carrick has got shot down over the last couple of years, and with the ability he has got too!
But Adam definately has the ability, and could do a job for us. He would need to get fitter though
True, but when you're relying on the likes of Giggs, Scholes (not that those two are bad - I'm just saying this because they're old and near/at the end of their time), Anderson and Gibson for extended periods then having a player like Adam in the squad doesn't look so bad.
Who said he'd be signed as a starting XI player? A great squad wins the league, unless a club can go through the season with seriously limited injuries.
But thats one of the problems alot of fans don't understand. Our squad accepts players like Adam and Young. Quality players who may not be the cream of the crop, but who will come into the squad and do the job against the majority of teams we face in the season.
Will they play against the Madrids, Barcelonas of the world? No. But they do play a major part in clinching a premiership trophy. Those squad players are just as important as the marquee signings.
Anderson may not have improved at the same pace of Nani but we all know that he's a good talent who may end up becoming brilliant at any moment. Carrick is no Keane but he's a good player. Fletcher is also not at Keane's level but he's hardworking, he's a decent man marker and will always give his 100% on the pitch. Giggs is class but he's getting old, Gibson is a bit average but he's got a good shot in him and soon we'll going to have players like Pogba who show ample promise.
My point is, how many squad players do we need in CM? All these players can at least cover that role but they are still miles away from the Iniestas, the Sneijders, even the Modrics of football. Mind you, some may get there (Anderson for example) but do we really need another player whose got enough talent to add to the quality strength in depth without actually add anything more to the team? Is that how we hope to compete against Barcelona?
My point is, how many squad players do we need in CM? All these players can at least cover that role but they are still miles away from the Iniestas, the Sneijders, even the Modrics of football. Mind you, some may get there (Anderson for example) but do we really need another player whose got enough talent to add to the quality strength in depth without actually add anything more to the team? Is that how we hope to compete against Barcelona?
Fletcher, Anderson, Carrick, Gibson, Giggs, Park - we have the numbers, it's in quality that we're lacking. Precisely the reason why it would make no sense whatsoever to sign Adam.
Fergie shoud try and unsettle Nasri.
stuff Nasri, unsettle Fabregas
He's unsettled enough as it is.
In a nutshell. If a player can help us get three points against Fulham or Stoke and also allow someone a rest, then he has a place.
That doesn't mean we should sign Adam, just pointing out that building a team and a squad is more than the question of 'will this player improve the first 11'.
He had a complete drop off in form after January. Came alive at the end.
Squad - yes, but it just doesn't feel like a Fergie buy. And damn the day he's meant to be our answer to our midfield troubles...
Squad - yes, but it just doesn't feel like a Fergie buy. And damn the day he's meant to be our answer to our midfield troubles...
I'm with Pete, tired of 'squad players'.. this team already boasts a great squad, the focus should be on improving the quality of the first team. That doesn't necessarily mean big names, Hernandez & Smalling prove this.. but I'd like to see us sign players with big potential, big talent.. rather than players who could do it against Bolton, Stoke but can't really improve us say if we were to come up against Real or Barca in the CL.
Park would be a better option on the wing and against a side like Barcelona or even Madrid, none of the five names instill much confidence.
That is exactly my point. Why bother signing Adam, yet another squad player, when we have an array of those but not enough real quality? Is Adam better what we have? No. Do we lack numbers in the middle? No, we lack the necessary quality.
I've said it before that if we were looking to make a midfield overhaul, then Adam wouldn't be a bad choice as a squad player. But we're not going to do that, and I can't see us signing more than one player, with Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher and Giggs around. So that one player has to be better.
depth and quality needed, Fletcher is too injury-prone for my liking.....
giggs is 37 and will only play one more year. How good he will be is up in the air & he is not a central midfielder really. Also we are down Scholes & Hargreaves
There is space and a need for at least 2 decent central midfield purcahses. Adam would be a decent addition to the squad.He is better than Gibson & Anderson in my opinion and would be comfortable in the team against most premiership opposition.
Not to mention the fact I dont think carrick is a good enough player, but thats for a different thread.
Is he? It was a virus that killed the rest of the season.
Giggs is very much a midfield player. The fact it's not his original position doesn't mean he isn't one nowadays. He does an excellent job there.
My point is that if we're looking for a creative player, then Adam shouldn't be the first choice. And if we want to sign a second midfielder, it should be a different type of player.
Charlie Adam played for Rangers so he'll be used to the pressure and intensity of performing for a big club. However, I don't think he's good enough for us.
I hate it when this thread gets bumped, I always fear I'll be met with a "Official: Manchester United have signed Charlie Adam" message when I open it.
yep.
ffs, the day the greatest english midfielder since robbo retires, and i keep seeing this fat jock twat being linked to us.
Not to mention Anderson who seems to be made from jelly.
i agree with you that he shouldnt be first choice, nowhere near it. But if he came in and Gibson was released it wouldnt bother me.
My point about giggs is his age, he performs well in the middle yes but he is getting older and older. Manchester United shouldnt be relying on a 37 yr old winger to play midfield.
The club needs a talisman in the middle, ADAM aint that player but a decent squad addition no less.
No complaints here. Adam for Gibson would be fine, but it might be slightly overkill and would probably be good for a year until the player wants to leave because he's not playing.
As for Giggs, yep, we shouldn't rely on him so much. He should be a bonus, really. He still has a big role to play, but right now he's our one and only trusty creative force in midfield.
As for Giggs, yep, we shouldn't rely on him so much. He should be a bonus, really. He still has a big role to play, but right now he's our one and only trusty creative force in midfield.
I think Gibson has started to show some improvement and he's one of our own, I'd prefer to give him the games Adam would get.
I'm the same way.
I'm the same way.If we could swap Adams for Gibson i wouldn't say no. But chances are Adams will cost us double so i'm not sure it's really worth it. I think Adams does give us a genuine threat on freekicks and he also puts in a good corner, two areas we are quite weak at.
But then you have the issue of him being slow, and having never really convinced at a big club. Personally don't think he'll enjoy being a small fish in a big pond either. That said...if there's a deal to be made, he'd add some depth to the squad. Just don't see him as a starter though...
It's like when Sidwell signed for Chelsea. You just knew he was never going to get enough games.
But then you have the issue of him being slow, and having never really convinced at a big club. Personally don't think he'll enjoy being a small fish in a big pond either. That said...if there's a deal to be made, he'd add some depth to the squad. Just don't see him as a starter though...
It's like when Sidwell signed for Chelsea. You just knew he was never going to get enough games.
Just to throw a different slant on things, don't forget about Pogba and Morrison, these lads can comfortably be held in the same regard as the class of '92 and while it is more difficult now to break into a PL first team as the standard has increased over the years, these Kids could be a prominent factor in why Fergie has not signed a midfielder in a couple of years, he always plans 2 or 3 years ahead, whether signing or not signing someone in a particular position as may be the case.
Although they may not break through this coming season without some loan experience, they could easily the following season and this could again limit Fergie's activity in midfield signings this Summer so as not to block their path through, so a stop gap, value for money signing like charlie adam (as an example) might not be a bad move looking at the bigger long term picture of what is coming through.
Are the Kids mentioned that good? Yes, 100%, and there are a few more besides that are very close. Just a different angle on things for those desperate to go "marquee" signing this Summer.
Although they may not break through this coming season without some loan experience, they could easily the following season and this could again limit Fergie's activity in midfield signings this Summer so as not to block their path through, so a stop gap, value for money signing like charlie adam (as an example) might not be a bad move looking at the bigger long term picture of what is coming through.
Are the Kids mentioned that good? Yes, 100%, and there are a few more besides that are very close. Just a different angle on things for those desperate to go "marquee" signing this Summer.
Stop bumping this thread!
Bump!
I hope Top infracts you!
the comparsion for him with scholes is pathetic and downright ridiculous....
On the official site it references rumours of a £16m deal, which is at least double what I would expect.
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