No thanks. It would remind me of when we signed Alan Smith. Average players from relegated teams aren't really what we should be looking at in my opinion.
Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool
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In the premier league Charlie Adam has scored 11 goals (15th overall and 4th best return out of all the central mids) and has 9 assists (9th overall and on par with VDV and Silva). Not United quality? Complete rubbish. The guy is more creative than anything we have in the middle of the park and takes a better set piece than any options we have as well.
Everyone's flavour of the month Luka Modric has a measly 3 assists (placing him 95th overall in the premier league) and 3 goals (placing him 119th overall).
Both are around the same age but Modric is United quality and Adam isn't? Only on the cafe. His stats show that he's been anything but average this season.
7 of those 12 goals have been penalties. His passing completion percentage is at a laughable rate, often near 50%, and in several games even lower. He is a dirty player. He is lazy, overweight, and lacks tactical discipline. He had a good season in a very poor team. That does not mean he can make the step up. Milner had a good season in an average team last season, and like with Adam this season, many posters wanted us to sign him. City signed him, and he flopped.
He does have excellent technique and set piece taking ability, but these alone are worthless.
Modric is certainly a stronger player than Adam but it depends what you're looking for.
If you think that most people considered that we were perhaps missing something in the middle this year, and have been since Hargreaves (RIP) then both surely wouldn't be out of the question, would they?
If you think that most people considered that we were perhaps missing something in the middle this year, and have been since Hargreaves (RIP) then both surely wouldn't be out of the question, would they?
I already said the United quality stuff is bullshit and a myth and I am not doing cartwheels about Modric either (SAF seems to rate him mind you), but Adam scored nearly all of his goals from dead ball situations, he wouldn't take any pens or free kicks for us as Rooney does.
I'm assuming that you haven't seen Adam's general play then, he plays a lot of through balls that open up the opponents at will. He seems to be able to dictate play against even the biggest teams in the country. The fact that Adam came from the SPL and doesn't come from an exotic country is blinding people of the fact that he quite clearly is manchester united quality.
If we did sign him he'd take a lot of free kicks. He wouldn't take over like Ronaldo but he'd take a lot.
He'd certainly take our corners.
This is such a simplistic view of football. It is surreal.
If you cannot see the gulf in quality between a player like Modric and a player like Adam, then there is no hope.
Also, if you think that van der Vaart and Silva have been playing in central midfield this season, then please, find another sport to watch.
Or the fact that he has done well in a Blackpool team with no regard for defence and someone who seems to be flavour of the month due to being able to take a set piece disguises the rest of his game which is mid-table level.
Jesus Christ, I'm quite aware that Silva and VDV have played in an attacking role, if anything it speaks volumes that he's been as creative as them.
Oh and you telling someone else that they have no hope of understanding football? Hilarious.
Should join Stoke City. The amount of corners they'd probably score would be disgusting.
I've seen plenty of Adam this season, never said he wasn't a decent player, but he's nothing special, not like the type of player we should be aiming for, plus he gasses out a lot and it's much easier being a big fish in a small pond.
I don't give a shit if he comes from Somalia mate, if he's a great player.
Corners yes but Rooney's free kick accuracy has been improving and I beleive I am correct in saying Adam has only scored 1 more than him this season.
Adam has 7 penalties. So that's actually what 5 goals? Anderson has 3 
As I said, he wouldn't take them all. He would be an option. Adam with the left foot, Rooney with the right.
This sort of indiscipline is not allowed at United. Our central midfielders must be able to retain the ball, work hard defensively, and maintain tactical discipline. Adam is the antithesis of a Manchester United midfielder. Please, we must not sign him or even entertain the notion.
Some examples of Charlie Adam's famous passing in the past 3 months.
Completely agree with you there. We do need to sign a mature creative midfielder, but Adam is not that player. Contributes too little besides the occasional goal/assist, in a fairly similar way to Darron Gibson and Gibson gets enough shit despite being a more accurate passer and more tactically aware/ disciplined player than Adam.
Like I said, would be an excellent player at Stoke, but will probably end up with transfer muppet Redknapp at Spurs.
For every wonderful pass he pulls off, he sends another one straight to the opposition left-back. I think he also contributed to one of our goals with a silly attempt at a flick (although that could have been Taylor-Fletcher).
To me, he's a big fish in a small pond at Blackpool, and will be found out if (when) he moves to a bigger club.
To me, he's a big fish in a small pond at Blackpool, and will be found out if (when) he moves to a bigger club.
No way he`s United quality......he`s a Everton or Tottenham signing.
Or Liverpool.
Scholes is mucho more fast paced than him
His passing % is 71% overall FWIW.
Got some comparisons?
Like Roy Keane?
Im like Charlie Adams, he is a quality player. It amazes me the drivel being chucked around about him. However he doesnt really fit what Fergie usually looks at in that his age is a little higher than most players Fergie has been buying of late. Fergie seems to me to be trying to buy quality younger players to grow into the team.
You may be right, but everybody has to start somewhere, don't they?
Maybe not the best comparison but who knew valencia would be the player he is for us whilst he was at Wigan? I didn't even think he was their best player then... in comparison to Palacios who IIRC a lot on the caf wanted to buy (i know they are different positions), but who has slowly but surely gone downhill since then.
I think there's a lot more to someone being Man United quality, and its not just good stats or performance. There's also mentality and how they fit into the team, criteria which i think would be hard for fans to judge and only those heavily involved in the game would be able to assess.
As for Adam, i'm not convinced that he's good enough either, but my point is its premature to write someone off just because he's from a relegated team and a big fish in a small pond. He may well have it in him, mentality and ability wise.
Okay Brwned, here are some statistics for you.
Scholes:
Total Passes: 1357
Completed Passes: 1221
Pass Completion: 90%
Carrick:
Total Passes: 1432
Completed Passes: 1239
Pass Completion: 87%
Gibson:
Total Passes: 422
Completed Passes: 359
Pass Completion: 85%
Fletcher:
Total Passes: 1393
Completed Passes: 1163
Pass Completion: 83%
Anderson:
Total Passes: 684
Completed Passes: 565
Pass Completion: 83%
Even Anderson, who is often arrogantly exuberant with his passing, has a respectable completion rate. And this is just passing. Adam lacks discipline in so many different respects.
Rather than simply posting a statistic, I would like to see your opinion of Adam, Brwned.
Well, obviously he's not number one on my shortlist (mostly because I don't have a shortlist), but if we did sign him I wouldn't moan too loudly.
I think Sir Alex knows a bit more about signings than me
I think Sir Alex knows a bit more about signings than me
Roy Keane was a standout player that every club wanted to sign, which is why he went for a British record fee (think £35M in today's money). Charlie Adam could be a useful player for a midtable team.
I don't think the 71% tells the true story of the player though.
He's the heard beat of the team, keeps them ticking and usually provides the end result for them.
Not just the penalties and everything, the way he spreads plays, his long passes and how he helps the team endlessly is something you will always see when you watch Blackpool.
He's also in the position where he tries to make that final pass, makes that through ball etc... So I don't see why its strange if he has a 71% pass rate... Does fluff on occasions too like today for example...
But I really liked the way Blackpool play and was gutted for them to get relegated but thats football and I think C.Adam will definitely attract almost all the PL teams under the top four, if not even some of the top four sides could use him....
Not that he's United quality though, but could be used as a squad player and would probably get less injured than Hargo...
He's the heard beat of the team, keeps them ticking and usually provides the end result for them.
Not just the penalties and everything, the way he spreads plays, his long passes and how he helps the team endlessly is something you will always see when you watch Blackpool.
He's also in the position where he tries to make that final pass, makes that through ball etc... So I don't see why its strange if he has a 71% pass rate... Does fluff on occasions too like today for example...
But I really liked the way Blackpool play and was gutted for them to get relegated but thats football and I think C.Adam will definitely attract almost all the PL teams under the top four, if not even some of the top four sides could use him....
Not that he's United quality though, but could be used as a squad player and would probably get less injured than Hargo...
I think you've got the total and completed mixed up!
It's worth pointing out that Adam has over 400 passes more than anyone else in our team, I think...although in passes per game I'd imagine he's only 4th highest, somewhat cancelled out by how much more out midfielders get on the ball.
Also, I don't really get the tone? The only reason I hadn't posted my opinion is because I'd put it across before and I'm sure people are tired enough reading my other numerous opinions!
I agree that he's not only positionally indisciplined but he looks frankly lazy and unfit at times, and that he's also careless and reckless in his use of the ball at times, but I don't think these are features of his game that can't be worked on, I don't think they are ingrained into his game to the extent they can't be fixed.
I think some of it is almost encouraged by Holloway (his use of the ball, mabe not his workrate as they do seem to be hardworking but I'm not sure, some are so lax defensively). I didn't see him for Rangers but many have said he showed real improvements in his game after moving to Blackpool so I wouldn't say it's beyond him to do the same at a better club.
In that sense I think you're being harsh, I do think that if he was played at a top club he would recognise he has to be more disciplined on and off the ball and I think it's inevitable he'd improve his fitness but as to whether he's a potential United player...I don't see it personally. I think he's got so much work to do to reach this level and I'd be a bit wary of his overall attitude so it might be beyond him. Bare in mind I was hideously wrong about Valencia amongst many others moving from smaller PL clubs to bigger ones, though. I do think he's shown similar weaknesses in his game to Gibson and he has definitely improved on these weaknesses in the past season or so, and his potential if improving upon these weaknesses is surely higher, so I wouldn't be too conclusive over his ability to make it but my gut instinct tells me no, he's not a United player.
I think it comes down to the classic debate as to what extent you accommodate an individualist into the team. Blackpool build their game entirely around Adam because his vision and technique make him far and away their best playmaker. And during the last two seasons he has been an outstanding talisman for the club. At a bigger club with a better array of talent, he may be forced into a more peripheral role, and as he showed at Rangers where he usually played left-mid in a 4-4-2, this may not get the best out of his skillset. It's not that different to the debates clubs will have had in the past over similarly-styled (if better) players such as Djalminha at Deportivo, Hagi at Barcelona or Riquelme with Argentina. Highly talented creative forces who ultimately ended up sacrificed in many instances to improve rhythm and defensive solidity.
Milner or Adam?
Hmmm.... Milner for me.
He's been utter dog shit this season but he's better than that. He's really struggled under Mancini and to be fair he's not the only one.
He needs to do himself a favour and get out of City.
Hmmm.... Milner for me.
He's been utter dog shit this season but he's better than that. He's really struggled under Mancini and to be fair he's not the only one.
He needs to do himself a favour and get out of City.
Milner for me too, i like his versatility and there is not much he cannot do pretty well.
I see him as the English version of Park, he was always going to City as he was clearly way overvalued, but for £10-15m he could have been a great buy for us imo.
That is true.
Like Liverpool?
Yes let's sign him, we definitely need another squad option type of signing in midfield who could do a job when one of our other squad options in midfield are out: giggs, park, carrick, fletcher, scholes, anderson and even O'shea.
Clearly Adam would do alot to improve our first team as well, I can see it.
Clearly Adam would do alot to improve our first team as well, I can see it.
Adam is the solution against Xavi and Iniesta next year.
Our squad is fine in terms of depth, its just that we lack a worldclass midfielder, which Adams is certainly not.
Would be a good signing for the Dippers or Spurs, but we can do much, much better.
Would be a good signing for the Dippers or Spurs, but we can do much, much better.
Charlie Adam is fletcher with a freekick. No thanks. Jesus I am sure barca would be really worried with the Scottish central mid facing them!!
Something is very wrong when the Charlie Adam thread gets to the top tonight.
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