No Messi, No UCL. - Pep
Champions League Quarter Finals (3rd - 11th April)
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? They lost at home 3-0, what chances have they got of scoring and not conceding at the Bernabeu ?Are you serious? You cannot write off Juventus who are 3-0 down, away from home and without their best player? They are completely out of it without any question.
City need a miracle. They will need to attack Liverpool and it will expose them to counter attacks. I think Liverpool have a good chance to score at Etihad and if that happens, I doubt City are scoring five or more.
Of course it’s also possible that Sevilla will win 6-0 in Munich and Roma will beat Barca 8-0 in the return leg but I guess that’s not going to happen either. All the games look very unexciting heading into second legs which was my point. City are probably the only team not entirely out of it and even then their chances are so slim and will probably be gone after the first half.
No greatest team ever ever, no UCL - Pep
City need a ref to turn this round (Barca 6-1 PSG style refereeing), but they won't get one.
All the QFs are done.
Yeah I also think they are done.
I don’t think ref was as key in Barca winning that tie as PSG losing their minds in the last 10 minutes.
That non-penalty helped massively, anyway, I agree that they're all done.
Marked.
Wasn't expecting this City result. Thought City were good enough to get at least a goal. How is Klopp managing this? I mean, they had a midifield of Henderson, Milner and Oxlade-Chamberlain.
Good result for us, in any case. No way Pep is playing a full strength team against us now.
Good result for us, in any case. No way Pep is playing a full strength team against us now.
Honestly that comment had nothing to do with Messi, if anything it'd be a compliment to say he was part of the greatest team ever ever. No?
More to do with St Pep's continual failure in the CL.
Well if it wasn’t you I would maybe think it was something other than complete refusal to acknowledge the importance of the best player ever playing for him at Barca.
Pep seriously needs to get his head of our his arse and try to play differently based on the opponent, that arrogance cost Bayern not only opportunities to play in the final for 3 seasons but also got them embarassed in 2 of them (they were maybe unlucky not to to go through against A.Madrid).
He fluked it against Juve and Porto earlier in the competitions as well, in one needing a last minute goal to go to ET and the other relying on a fantastic home performance after being beaten away, but then was throughouly beaten when against the best teams in Europe. The same has occurred today, though this time it's not even against the best team in Europe, just one who counters perfectly to his style. He managed to comeback against Porto because of his vastly superior squad, lets see if he can achieve something similar in one week.
He fluked it against Juve and Porto earlier in the competitions as well, in one needing a last minute goal to go to ET and the other relying on a fantastic home performance after being beaten away, but then was throughouly beaten when against the best teams in Europe. The same has occurred today, though this time it's not even against the best team in Europe, just one who counters perfectly to his style. He managed to comeback against Porto because of his vastly superior squad, lets see if he can achieve something similar in one week.
That part I don't agree with, but having the 2nd best player ever playing for him at Barca helped.
The most astonishing thing about last night was how City seemed to accept the outcome. It was like a family reunion where everyone resumes their old roles. In the first minutes you could see the City players heads drop, they were going oh feck, so this is how tonight will go. It was a classic stripping bare of their pretensions. I particularly enjoyed Squeaky Kevin having his ball taken away. This will play on their minds. United really should have a go at them next day. If they concede collapse could ensue. Will take some of the shine off their title stroll, and not let them celebrate it at OT.
Liverpool are a lot better than that Porto side though, they have a fantastic attacking line. Hard to see them not scoring at the Eithad when City need 3 goals just to force extra time.
Liverpool only need to maintain their composure and focus and kill the game on counter-attack. Without ref assistance, City would be hard to come back. I do think Seville is not dead, as long as they can get some luck on the next game. Seville will be getting the full squad back, and BM's defence was shaky so you never know.
Juv on the other hand is almost done. The team is really old and their youngest and most dynamic Dybala will be suspended. Don't recall Juv got any fresh blood in past 2 summer, considering they pocket the 90m from us, plus 2 CL final which should give them over 100m in revenue.
Juv on the other hand is almost done. The team is really old and their youngest and most dynamic Dybala will be suspended. Don't recall Juv got any fresh blood in past 2 summer, considering they pocket the 90m from us, plus 2 CL final which should give them over 100m in revenue.
Did you miss how much they spent on Higuain ? That Pogba money was flushed down the drain pretty quickly
It will be interesting to see how they react, however I think it more likely the opposite will happen and they'll focus more on the league game now that it seems unlikely they'll get through in the cup. It's the first real disheartening defeat this team have had season so I want to see how pep gets them to react. Id be happy enough with this season if they just give a couple of really good fiery performances the next two games and show that as a young team they have some resilience and back bone.
Also the game is at Eastlands, so it'd be pretty impressive if they managed to celebrate at Old Trafford
Drat, you are right of course. Whew, that could have been serious cringe. But it’s now down to what atmosphere they can muster there. Can money buy you love, etc? The Pool fans were really the 12th man last night; brought back the old tribal vibe that should be at the heart of the game. Something often sorely lacking at OT and entirely absent at Eastlands.It will be interesting to see how they react, however I think it more likely the opposite will happen and they'll focus more on the league game now that it seems unlikely they'll get through in the cup. It's the first real disheartening defeat this team have had season so I want to see how pep gets them to react. Id be happy enough with this season if they just give a couple of really good fiery performances the next two games and show that as a young team they have some resilience and back bone.
Also the game is at Eastlands, so it'd be pretty impressive if they managed to celebrate at Old Trafford
You mean City will focus now on a league game which holds no real significance in the title race and completely ignore the one competition City is desperate to win and I'm sure Pep too is.It will be interesting to see how they react, however I think it more likely the opposite will happen and they'll focus more on the league game now that it seems unlikely they'll get through in the cup. It's the first real disheartening defeat this team have had season so I want to see how pep gets them to react. Id be happy enough with this season if they just give a couple of really good fiery performances the next two games and show that as a young team they have some resilience and back bone.
Also the game is at Eastlands, so it'd be pretty impressive if they managed to celebrate at Old Trafford
Yeah that makes sense, especially considering Liverpool defense and midfield are rather weak and could be exploited
Magnificent performance by Liverpool. As much as I hate the club, you have to admit, last night they absolutely owned City. It was the definition of a team performance. To make the team that totally dominated the EPL this season look so limited and at time clueless, Klopp and players deserve a lot of credit for that.
Liverpool seems to be the worst possible opponent for Guardiola, he just can't figure out what to do with them.
Liverpool seems to be the worst possible opponent for Guardiola, he just can't figure out what to do with them.
Your first shot on target came after Salah was in offside. You didn't look good before the first goal. It changed the game. And City would have shots on target and goals if the referees applied the same standards for Jesus's goal and if they gave a pen for the foul against Sterling.
I wrote that Liverpool deserved to win for these 20-30 min of football after the first goal. But 3:0 was a bit too much and was down also to mistakes by the referees.
If City score a goal (from offside) in the first 15 min in the second leg, I can see them smashing you and going through. You ain't that good and it will show in the semis if you reach them. The stars aligned last night and the crucial 50-50 situations and the close calls went for you.
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Horrible, horrible result. City, what the feck?!!!
So what's ballbag upto these days?
Generally I think the atmosphere at derbies has been pretty good, although its been a couple years since I've been to one and the last few games haven't actually been great so maybe I'm wrong. Its true, Anfield does probably have one of the best atmospheres in the country and it is something I'm a little jealous of as a city fan, I do think it's a little bit overblown but it must have some effect (It's worth noting we have an absolute garbage record at Anfield and lose quite often there, even since we've had decent teams) but if the trade off is you have to be as mental as most Liverpool fans then maybe I'll survive without it.
City were shockingly bad, but also everything was going for Liverpool. Salah was offside when he received the pass in the build-up to the comical first goal. Sané's offside position in the closing minutes which would have been the 3-1 and could have been the 2-1 was very debatable. Not that City would have deserved a much better result, but they were not only bad but also unlucky.
Think that United will play an important role for the outcome of the English tie. If City manage to win the title on Saturday, they will be flying and will quite fancy their chances in the second leg. If they fail, they will lose not only the tie with Liverpool but probalby the Spurs game too. This makes me think that they will be absolutely desperate to win on Saturday.
Guardiola was poor last night, no question. His players were even worse and completely wilted after Chamberlain's goal. I still think the three-goal deficit flatters Liverpool as it wasn't like you completely battered them, but yeah, it was a surprisingly flat performance all-round from City and, by extension, Guardiola.
Agreed here. Liverpool deserved the win but 3-0 was comically flattering to them.
Maybe if you didn't actually watch the match. They scored three, could have had more, and City didn't have a shot on target. In what way is that 'flattering', never mind 'comically flattering?'
The first goal was completely against the run of play, offside and absolutely woeful anticipation from Walker who had a great opportunity to clear the ball after Firmino's shot was saved. The second goal was a percentage shot - most of those end up in the Kop. Their third goal was a good goal but the City heads were gone by that point.
City, on the other hand, should have had a goal through Jesus when Sane was called offside despite being far more onside than Salah was for Liverpool's first and they should've had a penalty for Robinson's handball when sliding in on Sterling.
I wholly agree that Liverpool deserved the win as City were extremely flat on the night but 3-0 is a flattering scoreline, in my opinion. It's not like Ederson was battered or the City centre-halves were beleaguered chasing after Salah and co. all night. That plainly didn't happen.
Your exact comments (I won't quote your whole post) were that Pep has changed things pre-match by bringing in Laporte on the left and Gundogan in the middle. Klopp being so one dimensional and clueless wouldn't be able to handle the multi layered tactics Pep was throwing at him.
Now you're saying Pep got it wrong. And by extension you not having a clue really.
We are done and I hope we do not have any sniff in Madrid, so that Agnelli realises it’s time to rebuild for good. It comes one year too late, we have been stuttering all year internationally and the last game was just a copycat Cardiff, no difference in the flow, no progress, no lesson learnt. If Agnelli is really really smart, he might cut costs while going Italian with a new young core, in that helping the national team.
To win the CL you are always going to need that bit of luck. Nevertheless, Liverpool played an almost perfect game yesterday, not a case of being lucky. Game-plan was perfect. While Pep just fecked up, plain and simple.
And yes, if that was Jose yesterday..oh boy, the media would go bonkers today
And City had immense luck in the league btw (4mins stoppage time but 97th minute winners for example)
Whether It's City or Pool IMO both will go out in the semis.
They got mullered by anyone's standards. Outplayed and totally outfought.
I would be interested to find out the running stats (distance covered, sprints etc.) from Liverpool players from yesterday's clash? Felt that their FBs and midfield didn't stop running all game.
Klopp, as much as i despise him, seems to be the worlds best counter-Pep coach.