Cesc Fabregas

[Kraftwerker]

Once upon a time in pretendy storey land...

Sagna's been very mediocre for long stretches since he arrived, and has never hit the heights of Rafael's many stand-out performances.

Better to have a few easily ironed-out flaws in your game but be capable of the outstanding, rather than be a nothing special player who'll be forgotten before long.

 

[alastair]

Once upon a time in pretendy storey land...

Sagna's been very mediocre for long stretches since he arrived, and has never hit the heights of Rafael's many stand-out performances.

Better to have a few easily ironed-out flaws in your game but be capable of the outstanding, rather than be a nothing special player who'll be forgotten before long.

In one of these so called stand-out games, he was sent off. I'd rather Sagna didn't stand out.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Well whilst you live in your delusional fantasy world, I'll stick to cold hard facts if you don't mind.

Sagna is instantly forgettable. He's capable of the ordinary rather than the sublime. You could pick up 20 full-backs just like him on the continent.

Rafael is a special talent. It's not delusional to think he can be the world's best. Don't be a twat.

 

[alastair]

Sagna is instantly forgettable. He's capable of the ordinary rather than the sublime. You could pick up 20 full-backs just like him on the continent.Rafael is a special talent. It's not delusional to think he can be the world's best. Don't be a twat.

Rafael is a good player, fine.

Regarding the bit in bold, that's not true. I want you to name me 10 full backs on the continent who are as good as Sagna. You won't be able to.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Rafael is a good player, fine.

Regarding the bit in bold, that's not true. I want you to name me 10 full backs on the continent who are as good as Sagna. You won't be able to.

What I'm saying is you could scout a full-back just like him when he was signed for Arsenal, quite easily.

There must be shit-loads of full-backs just like him forging their careers in the French league and elsewhere in Europe.

Not all will get their break of course, but Sagna's just a dime a dozen instantly forgettable full-back who got his break.

 

[peterstorey]

Are you Richard Keys in disguise.

Get back in the kitchen you big tart.

 

[Lynk]

Get back in the kitchen you big tart.

 

[peterstorey]

Rafael is a special talent. It's not delusional to think he can be the world's best. Don't be a twat.

He's the new Glen Johnson, a wannabe winger who can't defend.

 

[Rado_N]

He's the new Glen Johnson, a wannabe winger who can't defend.

You never get tired of talking utter garbage do you?

 

[Red Dreams]

He's the new Glen Johnson, a wannabe winger who can't defend.

just say you have not watched him much.

 

[Kraftwerker]

He's the new Glen Johnson, a wannabe winger who can't defend.

Retarded opinion not based in reality.

You obviously have never watched him shut down top wingers with ease, including your own.

 

[Zen86]

This thread reminded me why I never want Arsenal to win anything again.

 

[wr8_utd]

Why do you'll even respond to pete? We all know he's wumming.

 

[peterstorey]

Sagna is the best rightback in the league by country miles. It's not a WU it's blindingly obvious.

 

[sincher]

He's not the best anything by country miles. He's not even that good.

 

[Rado_N]

Pete's tagline needs amending, the third question mark and all after it swapped for a full stop.

 

[MrMarcello]

Nasri is a better, more dynamic and much more versatile player than Valencia, and is better than the current Giggs. Arguably better than Nani too. Either way they're both having excellent seasons.

Vidic and Rio go without saying. Hence the whole without saying thing... I was merely making a point about the shaky Evans remark which was ludicrous. And if you knew what you were talking about you'd no doubt know Djourou's been excellent for us this season after coming back from a year-long knee injury. Hence, the rejuvenated Djourou comment.

Over to you.

Djourou wouldn't get in ahead of Rio and Vidic so it's a pointless argument. Evans would get a fair share of matches with Arsenal most likely. Especially considering how dodgy that central defense has been at times. Evans will come good again - as has your Djourno.

Nasri better than Nani, honestly?

 

[Kraftwerker]

If Sagna played for United, Storey would be giving us the Fletcher 'average player in a good team' spiel, make no mistake.

Everyone knows not to take him seriously when he talks anything United or Arsenal related. Comical Ali aint got shit on storey.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

It's a stupid pointless argument.

Rafael got harshly sent off, whereas Sagna's was fully deserved.

You criticise him for getting sent off in the CL QF last season, when he'd been the best player on the pitch, and it was again harsh - Ribery's antics did it for him more than anything. The irony being Rafael had coped with him admirably up until then.

Meanwhile Sagna was being torn a new arsehole in your QF.

Not that I particularly care about your/this line of arument here, but to you a red card at the start (or in this case with 20 minutes to go) is the same as one in the last minute of a match? clearly Alistair is talking about rashness and experience, something Sagna has over Rafael, hence why you don't see him getting sent off earlier in games through rash challenges.

Anyway, when Rafael puts in a few good years then you'd take him over the ever-reliable Sagna. As far as talent is concerned there isn't an argument, but runs on the board and reliability says otherwise. Sagna's also improved his forward play and crossing and has been able to contribute.

The Sagna rating on here is exactly like how everyone used to underrate Fletcher, despite the majority of people on here saying he was actually good. It's quite humorous really.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Djourou wouldn't get in ahead of Rio and Vidic so it's a pointless argument. Evans would get a fair share of matches with Arsenal most likely. Especially considering how dodgy that central defense has been at times. Evans will come good again - as has your Djourno.

Nasri better than Nani, honestly?

I don't doubt that Evans will come good again. He's proven his ability before and every player goes through bad patches, though this one is an extended patch it seems. There is always the chance he could take the O'shea route as opposed to turning out to be the next key CB in United's next big side.

As for Nasri and Nani. One's a quality winger whilst the other is a quality AM. Personally (and no surprises here) I prefer Nasri if not only because he can play centrally and therefor can have more of an impact on games. It's all horses for courses here though as you'd take Nani as a pure winger, and Nasri as an AM/wide forward.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Retarded opinion not based in reality.

You obviously have never watched him shut down top wingers with ease, including your own.

In fairness we don't actually have any wingers...

 

[Snow]

Why is it always the first "argument for people" to shit over the player who plays in the same position in a different team the reason for bigging their own player up? I don't get it.

I couldn't say that Rafael is better than Sagna but I prefer him because I love his style of play and his passion for the sport. He's also improving very much in defending and holding his position which is great because his attacking aspect was always above average for a full back.

Sagna is very solid. He reminds me of Arbeloa, ability wise. I always rated Arbeloa and a lot of people gave him shit (probably just because he played for Pool). But he's like Sagna. They are very solid defenders who are not rape victims. Both can't cross but are clever on the ball. You don't see many stupid passes from them mindlessly forward. Both are very calm.

If you'd make Sagna and Rafael switch teams they would both look worse (I'm guessing). Arsenal go mostly through the middle and it's important that Sagna, Clichy and Song don't jeapordize it too much because they don't have much cover.
United rely much on wing play and the full backs (or should I rather say wingbacks?) take a big part in attacking. Of course it's always a risk when the fullbacks attack very much but it's more so exploitable with Arsenal.

They're both very good players. How no one can see that Rafael looks special and say that Sagna is shit is a hugely biased comment or simply made out from stupid assumptions.

Pete: How was Clichy better than Rafael at his age? Wasn't he regarded a huge talent and is now somewhat disappointing (not meaning a bad player) the way he's turned out because he hasn't progressed that much?

Why am I writing this in a thread called 'Cesc Fabregas'?

 

[Snow]

Rafael is a good player, fine.

Regarding the bit in bold, that's not true. I want you to name me 10 full backs on the continent who are as good as Sagna. You won't be able to.

I can maybe name three. Dani Alves, Maicon, Zanetti, Lahm. 4 players.

You then have Bosingwa, Rafael, Arbeloa, Ramos and who else?

This Cezar A-difficult name looks very promising. 21 years old and plays for Marseille.

There's very slim pickens and neither team is going to get a better player than what they have. I don't think I'm missing out on any quality right backs.

 

[peterstorey]

Pete: How was Clichy better than Rafael at his age? Wasn't he regarded a huge talent and is now somewhat disappointing (not meaning a bad player) the way he's turned out because he hasn't progressed that much?

I think Clichy was much like Rafael at 20. Great potential talent, good going forward but positionally weak. I don't think Clichy has fulfilled his potential though he's been better of late. Comparisons between Sagna and Rafael are simply laughable.

 

[Devil may care]

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[cesc's_mullet]

I can maybe name three. Dani Alves, Maicon, Zanetti, Lahm. 4 players.

You then have Bosingwa, Rafael, Arbeloa, Ramos and who else?

This Cezar A-difficult name looks very promising. 21 years old and plays for Marseille.

There's very slim pickens and neither team is going to get a better player than what they have. I don't think I'm missing out on any quality right backs.

Haha. Bosingwa, Rafael and Arbeloa aren't as good nor better than Sagna.

 

[Alex]

Rafael is, Sagna isn't that good, he reminds me of a John O'Shea level player, solid nothing special, where as Rafael is so much more.

 

[Cal?]

Seems like my comment about Fabregas being the only Arse player capable of getting into the United team has sparked some debate.

Honestly though, I just cannot see anyone else of theirs get into our side.

Van Persie is not better than Berba or Rooney;
Sagna is just an average RB, Rafael is better defending and going forwards;
Song?

 

[Snow]

You quite obviously left out Nasri because you know he'd make our squad.

Bosingwa has a lot to offer forwards. He's just not been fit for quite some time.

Arbeloa is as consistent as it gets. Makes very few mistakes. The Real defense look much better with him in RB rather than Ramos I think.

 

[Alex]

I'd take an inform Arshavin but he is too moody of a fecker to trust in your team

 

[Cal?]

You quite obviously left out Nasri because you know he'd make our squad.

Bosingwa has a lot to offer forwards. He's just not been fit for quite some time.

Arbeloa is as consistent as it gets. Makes very few mistakes. The Real defense look much better with him in RB rather than Ramos I think.

Nasri - Not as good as Nani and we can't afford to play 2 attacking wingers unless we drop one of Rooney or Berbatov. Giggs or Park fits in much nicer on the opposite side of Nani.

 

[VoetbalWizard]

I'd take an inform Arshavin but he is too moody of a fecker to trust in your team

i'd take him just for his quotes to the media. the lad is class. hitting four at anfield as well. he is always welcome at OT.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Seems like my comment about Fabregas being the only Arse player capable of getting into the United team has sparked some debate.

Honestly though, I just cannot see anyone else of theirs get into our side.

Van Persie is not better than Berba or Rooney;
Sagna is just an average RB, Rafael is better defending and going forwards;
Song?

at all that.

But Cal, no one takes you seriously around here. Even your own fellow supporters think you're a joke. I mean you really are the most unreasonabke, biased, deluded and stubborn poster on here.

 

[Christofaux]

Rafael is, Sagna isn't that good, he reminds me of a John O'Shea level player, solid nothing special, where as Rafael is so much more.

Rafael is not so much more, he has the potential to be so much more, but he also has the potential to be Johnson 2.0

Sagna is your Gary Neville class of fullback, but hasn't reached the heights GNeville has.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Rafael is not so much more, he has the potential to be so much more, but he also has the potential to be Johnson 2.0......

Wishful thinking at its worst

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Sagna is the best rightback in the league by country miles. It's not a WU it's blindingly obvious.

 

[AlwaysRedwood]

he's the new glen johnson, a wannabe winger who can't defend.

wum

 

[Cal?]

at all that.

But Cal, no one takes you seriously around here. Even your own fellow supporters think you're a joke. I mean you really are the most unreasonabke, biased, deluded and stubborn poster on here.

Except for the fact that I've been proven right time and again, regarding the inability of Arsenal to sustain your title challenges, regarding Henry, and many more.

Green smilies won't mask how right I was about Arsenal for many years.

Chelsea will finish above Arsenal this season.

 

[puNANI]

Arsenal supporters always think they have a better team than ours. If that was the case, they would of reached the heights we have over the last 5-6 years. When we had Ronaldo, they used to claim that Fabregas was better when it was quiet obvious that he isn't/wasn't. They're a good team, but you Arsenal fans tend to overrate your own players too much. I know we're guilty as well, with the likes of Fletcher and Evans for example but you guys take it to another level.

Anyway, Sagna is a better right back then Rafael at the moment but Rafael has shown us on many occasions that he has the potential to eclipse Sagna.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Except for the fact that I've been proven right time and again, regarding the inability of Arsenal to sustain your title challenges, regarding Henry, and many more.

Green smilies won't mask how right I was about Arsenal for many years.

Chelsea will finish above Arsenal this season.

You haven't been proven right about Henry. Nor Messi. Nor any of your other idiotic comments, just like your ones in here. Quite simply you're just an extremely biased fool who won't ever admit to being wrong. You'll always twist your word and others to continue arguments. Hence why you're laughed at here.

Though having said this I don't disagree with your Chelsea remark there, nor would I have with any of your Arsenal-sustainabilty ones either. Though I would obviousy hope otherwise.