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Sarni said:
He hasn't even said that many Arsenal players would play here, he mentioned three. It's fair to say that a team with eight superior players would be ahead.
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And I mentioned one. Big difference that.

I'm arguing starting XI too not just getting into the squad. Carrick and Fletcher would more than likely displace Song, as the formers are fantastic passers, and Fletcher's engine easily matches song.

Giggs, Nani and Valencia would easily slot right into Arsenal's set up. Nasri would most likely be an impact sub for United so how does he keep the three United players out of the lineup when all are fit?

The back four and VDS easily displace Arsenal's set up, the only battle at RB. Even Evans would regularly start for Arsenal. Hell, a fit Brown probably at CB or RB. O'Shea might as well but that's very debatable.

RVP is quality but a regular over Berbatov and/or Rooney? Perhaps this would come down to form.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
That's something for another thread...

... And it would depend on the formation being used, but clearly Sagna, Nasri and Fabregas would make the side. Van Persie would get in before Rooney at this stage, and ahead of Berbatov if Rooney hits top form again. I would argue Song should get a gig too, but like I said that all depends on formation.
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No one would have RvP ahead of Rooney or Berbatov and no one would take Sagna over Rafael here. Not in the starting 11.

Nasri and Fabregas would make it I reckon but that's about it. The formation being used is one with two wingers.

It's not up for much discussion because I genuinely believe very few United supporters disagree with this.
 
MrMarcello said:
And I mentioned one. Big difference that.

I'm arguing starting XI too not just getting into the squad. Carrick and Fletcher would more than likely displace Song, as the formers are fantastic passers, and Fletcher's engine easily matches song.

Giggs, Nani and Valencia would easily slot right into Arsenal's set up. Nasri would most likely be an impact sub for United so how does he keep the three United players out of the lineup when all are fit?

The back four and VDS easily displace Arsenal's set up, the only battle at RB. Even Evans would regularly start for Arsenal. Hell, a fit Brown probably at CB or RB. O'Shea might as well but that's very debatable.

RVP is quality but a regular over Berbatov and/or Rooney? Perhaps this would come down to form.
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Winger who can cross in Arsenal's set up? Naa :p
 
cesc's_mullet said:
If seven or eight players would then you'd expect Arsenal would be top, but there wouldn't be so we aren't. I only put up five names anyway, and only three of which I believe would be definite.........

If only one player (that being the best midfielder in the league and one of the few best in the world) would only have a rotating spot with Anderson and Scholes in the side, then United would be the best side in the world by a long stretch.
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It's the same argument with Liverpool of 2001/02 and 2008/09. United were clearly better at most individual positions when compared. Sometimes the performance of a team exceeds the sum of the parts.

My remarks does not mean a club is superior by 20 points, you're making a silly and simpleton's claim there. This isn't a video game. Arsenal's group work well as a team, and pass the ball and run circles around most clubs. And sometimes get shown up when facing equal or better comptetion. They also lack some grit that can often lift a club.
 
Snow said:
No one would have RvP ahead of Rooney or Berbatov and no one would take Sagna over Rafael here. Not in the starting 11.

Nasri and Fabregas would make it I reckon but that's about it. The formation being used is one with two wingers.

It's not up for much discussion because I genuinely believe very few United supporters disagree with this.
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With van Persie and Sagna the case is we wouldn't swap our players with them, and they wouldn't swap van Persie for Berbatov or Sagna for Rafael either. Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Rooney, Nani, Fabregas, Nasri are players who would be taken by most fans of either side.
 
MrMarcello said:
And I mentioned one. Big difference that.

I'm arguing starting XI too not just getting into the squad. Carrick and Fletcher would more than likely displace Song, as the formers are fantastic passers, and Fletcher's engine easily matches song.

Giggs, Nani and Valencia would easily slot right into Arsenal's set up. Nasri would most likely be an impact sub for United so how does he keep the three United players out of the lineup when all are fit?

The back four and VDS easily displace Arsenal's set up, the only battle at RB. Even Evans would regularly start for Arsenal. Hell, a fit Brown probably at CB or RB. O'Shea might as well but that's very debatable.

RVP is quality but a regular over Berbatov and/or Rooney? Perhaps this would come down to form.
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Take off the specs.

For a start the shaky Evans would be fighting it out with Squillaci and Koscielny for the third/fourth CB spot, Vermaelen and the rejuvenated Djourou would be our first choice pairing. Koscielny has really been showing his talent for a while now too.

Nasri only an impact sub? Christ on a bike.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Take off the specs.

For a start the shaky Evans would be fighting it out with Squillaci and Koscielny for the third/fourth CB spot, Vermaelen and the rejuvenated Djourou would be our first choice pairing. Koscielny has really been showing his talent for a while now too.

Nasri only an impact sub? Christ on a bike.
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Rejuventated Djourou? :lol: And you must have missed Rio and Vidic there. But go on and start Vermaelen and the rejuvenated Djourou.

So Nasri is better than Giggs, Nani and Valencia?

Who's wearing the tinted specs now...hmmm...
 
Aboutreika18 said:
I thought Sneijder's World Cup performances were largely overrated. Went missing against Denmark, Cameroon and Uruguay (barring the fortuitous deflected goal) and was kept quiet by Busquets for the majority of the final.

Also, only one goal from open play in the league last season was poor for someone of his quality.
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Up until his performances against Chelsea and Barca in the CL most on here didn't even talk about him. People base their opinion on a few games and come to their conclusions based on that. Up until that game most people here had forgot he even existed and then suddenly he should be world player of the year!

Doing a quick search on this forum for Sneijder, in the football forum section shows that between Feb 2010 and June 2009 there wasn't a single mention of him. Now this could also be down to people spelling his name wrong but a lot of people seem to spell it right.....Looking a bit further only koroux(sp?) seems to mention him, funny how many here seem to have him up for world player of the year but up until Feb, which is well past half way of the season he wasn't even mentioned on this forum.

I just saw that thread where people try to justify him being better than Xaivi, bloody madness :wenger: Sneijder is a classic example of people looking at one great pass or goal and then suddenly concluding he had a great game. Don't get me wrong he had a good season and did well for Holland but I wouldn't have him up there with the best central midfield players simply because unlike others he isn't as consistent and he doesn't dominate and run games as often as they do. He also is a very selfish player and that showed at times in the World cup, him and Robben seemed to be more worried about getting their own name up in lights rather than the team. One of the worst teams in recent history to get to the world cup final
 
RDCR07 said:
I missed that. Any videos or gifs?
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Snow said:
No one would have RvP ahead of Rooney or Berbatov and no one would take Sagna over Rafael here. Not in the starting 11.

Nasri and Fabregas would make it I reckon but that's about it. The formation being used is one with two wingers.

It's not up for much discussion because I genuinely believe very few United supporters disagree with this.
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Yes, that's because all the opinions here are/would be biased. If taken to the wider community I bet your opinions would be in the minority.
 
Ronaldo No.9 said:
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:lol:

So all this rubbish about Fabregas swearing at Ferdinand was because Ferdinand pushed Denilson and Fabregas whilst they were celebrating?

Well aint that a laugh.

Edit: by Denilson I mean Walcott. Woops.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
:lol:

So all this rubbish about Fabregas swearing at Ferdinand was because Ferdinand pushed Denilson and Fabregas whilst they were celebrating?

Well aint that a laugh.
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Theo not Denilson, I know they are of similar skin colour but come on mate ;)
 
Yeah I realised upon second viewing... I was too busy laughing and trying to punch out that post as fast as I could.

Wow what a joke that is. How dare Fabregas not get pissed off after being pushed whilst celebrating a goal. How dare he.
 
MrMarcello said:
Because those "wider community" opinions aren't biased? :rolleyes:
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So you think that the whole footballing community's opinions on the matter would hold the same level of bias as just the whole United supporters sample set?

:lol:

C'mon, you're not doing yourself any favours here.
 
I remember when Clichy used to dart forward and beat defenders. Good old days.
 
Sarni said:
With van Persie and Sagna the case is we wouldn't swap our players with them, and they wouldn't swap van Persie for Berbatov or Sagna for Rafael either. Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Rooney, Nani, Fabregas, Nasri are players who would be taken by most fans of either side.
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I wasn't referring to swapping anyone. Just who would make the first team, not the squad.
 
Sagna, Song, Nasri, Cesc and RvP and an in form Arshavin would make your team rather easily.
 
Donadol said:
Sagna, Song, Nasri, Cesc and RvP and an in form Arshavin would make your team rather easily.
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Woop, you've done it now mate.

As far as the 'in form' thing goes, you could argue a few (other) extra players each way.
 
Donadol said:
Us v Them could help the team at this point.
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True, maybe if we beat them on the interweb we'll beat them in real life.... So far I'm going to be putting money on us winning a convincing 4-0.
 
Djourou has looked immense since his comeback.

There, now I've jinxed him.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
True, maybe if we beat them on the interweb we'll beat them in real life.... So far I'm going to be putting money on us winning a convincing 4-0.
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That little cnut Evra. I blame him for all our bad performances against their lot.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yes, that's because all the opinions here are/would be biased. If taken to the wider community I bet your opinions would be in the minority.
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I consider myself well capable of not being biased and to have seen as much as I have of those players I can't see why I'd choose RvP or Sagna ahead of Rafael or Berbatov/Rooney. There's more case to put forward about Sagna but RvP ahead of Rooney or Berbatov? No way. People wouldn't go for that. On the bench? Sure.
 
Donadol said:
Sagna, Song, Nasri, Cesc and RvP and an in form Arshavin would make your team rather easily.
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Nope, Sagna's about Rafael's level, Song's about Carrick level and van Persie is definitely no better than Rooney or Berbatov. Can't see how they would make it 'easily'.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
It depends on what system you choose to put the Utd/Arse XI in. In a 4-5-1, I'd probably have Song by default as the sole holding midfielder.
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If everyone was fit and firing, and that formation was used, I'd play:

Rooney
Nani ................. Nasri
Cesc ... Fletcher
Song
Evra ... Ferdinand ... Vidic ... Sagna
VDS​
 
Fletcher? Not even sure he's in our first XI at the moment.
 
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