Give it a rest, pete.
Cesc Fabregas
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Nah, I just listed a bunch of stuff he's done, which doesn't exactly endear him to me as a footballer, and since I only know him as a footballer, that's what basis I'll judge whether I think he's a cock or not.
Turns out he's a pretty massive cock.
Good call I didn't spot that. I probably would play them both then. It'd be tough for tricky away games though, I'd move Rooney to the left and have Nasri operating from central midfield behind the striker and Fabregas playing a deep quarterback role:
Home:
Song
Nani Fabregas Nasri
Rooney RvP
Tricky aways:
Song Fabregas
Nani Nasri Rooney
RvP
With Rio/Vidic/Rafael/Evra I don't think you'd need to play the Man City game of 2-3 holding players.
Yes they could. Just use us as comparison. Two games more, 13 goals less and we've been shit in many games away, losing many points because of sloppyness and blowing countless chances for the same reason. We could be destroying the league at this point. Whilst we've had slums of performances from star players, all of Barcelona stars are performing.
I'd say they'd be in the same spot they are now if in England. We have a better goal difference than Real Madrid. Arsenal and Chelsea are close by, both have better goal difference than Villarreal.
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Moyes stands by Cesc comments
By ESPNsoccernet staff
David Moyes says Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas questioned Everton's integrity by accusing the officials of accepting bribes during the sides' meeting at Emirates Stadium.
Moyes said after Everton's 2-1 defeat that Fabregas should have been sent off for his "disgusting" comments towards the officials at half-time, although he then refused to elaborate on the content of the player's remarks.
Arsene Wenger hit out at Moyes for making comments from the tunnel public, saying he felt there was a witch-hunt against Fabregas and that the Everton manager had broken an "unwritten rule" by revealing what he "claims to have heard".
However, Moyes said: "I know what was said. I was there when it was said and we heard it. I think Arsene said there was an unwritten rule that you don't say things that are in the tunnel, but their player broke the unwritten rule. He questioned Everton Football Club, that we may be paying officials. By doing that he questioned the officials and that they may be in turn taking money.
"What I've got to say is Cesc never swore once. He was very calm and calculated - it wasn't a rant or a rave like I have heard people say it was. It was just straight to the point and I felt it was out of order and deserved a sending off.
"There is no way do I want Cesc Fabregas or Arsenal done by the FA, not at all. If the FA come asking, I will say I am not interested. If Cesc had got sent off at half-time, it would have given us a better chance of winning the game, but the game is gone now.
"But to question Everton's integrity, to question David Moyes' integrity and to actually say that you think David Moyes did not see it or hear it ... I saw it, I heard it. I was standing there. It was aimed at the fourth official. The fourth official is part of the referee team.
"If I had shouted at the fourth official on the side of the pitch, if I had swore - which I have done and I am not proud of ... I have shouted at them, but I would not have said what he
Moyes stands by Cesc comments
By ESPNsoccernet staff
David Moyes says Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas questioned Everton's integrity by accusing the officials of accepting bribes during the sides' meeting at Emirates Stadium.
Moyes said after Everton's 2-1 defeat that Fabregas should have been sent off for his "disgusting" comments towards the officials at half-time, although he then refused to elaborate on the content of the player's remarks.
Arsene Wenger hit out at Moyes for making comments from the tunnel public, saying he felt there was a witch-hunt against Fabregas and that the Everton manager had broken an "unwritten rule" by revealing what he "claims to have heard".
However, Moyes said: "I know what was said. I was there when it was said and we heard it. I think Arsene said there was an unwritten rule that you don't say things that are in the tunnel, but their player broke the unwritten rule. He questioned Everton Football Club, that we may be paying officials. By doing that he questioned the officials and that they may be in turn taking money.
"What I've got to say is Cesc never swore once. He was very calm and calculated - it wasn't a rant or a rave like I have heard people say it was. It was just straight to the point and I felt it was out of order and deserved a sending off.
"There is no way do I want Cesc Fabregas or Arsenal done by the FA, not at all. If the FA come asking, I will say I am not interested. If Cesc had got sent off at half-time, it would have given us a better chance of winning the game, but the game is gone now.
"But to question Everton's integrity, to question David Moyes' integrity and to actually say that you think David Moyes did not see it or hear it ... I saw it, I heard it. I was standing there. It was aimed at the fourth official. The fourth official is part of the referee team.
"If I had shouted at the fourth official on the side of the pitch, if I had swore - which I have done and I am not proud of ... I have shouted at them, but I would not have said what he
You've got to laugh. They won't talk to the FA because they have no proof. Simple as.
On the other hand you massively over-rate Sagna. Rafael at least has something about him that makes you realise he's a special player. His upper level is much higher than Sagna's.
Sagna is ordinary, he's just a full back who does a job and no more for Arsenal, and this bollocks about knowing what other supporters think is a pathetic argument not based in any sort of reality.
Anyone can make up bollocks. I'd say 99% would rather have Rafael. I don't base it on anything and it's probably not true, but whilst we're throwing round pointless statements I thought I'd drop it in there.
It's such a shame that the Arsenal fans on here have decided to use storey as their role model and template for all posts.
So? It's funny how people keep completely making things up about poor innocent little Cesc, isn't it? Why on Earth would Moyes make it up?
Moyes is coming across as a 5 year old sneak with all this rubbish.
"He said something to the fourth official!!He did!"
What an idiot.
"He said something to the fourth official!!He did!"
What an idiot.I fully imagine Cesc made some angry remark to the ref. I don't know if you saw it, but the first half performance was little short of biased. That's a heavy statement to make, given that the job refs do is very difficult, but I genuinely thought that Mason had it in for us that night.
So yeh, Cesc probably made some remark. The kind of remark that is said all the time in tunnels up and down the country. Moyes is just bitter, and wants to try and sully our name as a club. He's always hated Wenger, and he needs to grow up.
That's why you're laughing, that he's getting away with it?
Anyway it's never up to Everton now is it. It's up to the refs. And what they decide to do sticks. They don't even need proof. Just their words against Cesc's is enough. But nothing would be done as long as what Cesc said wasn't personal. It was in the heat of the moment with no cameras.
I didn't see it, no, but Mason is a fecking gimp of a referee, so it's much more plausible that he's just had a howler than to suggest he's had it in for you, and for your club captain to matter of factly accuse him of taking bribes is out of order no matter how bitter you might think Moyes is.
That's bollocks. Take his age into consideration and I think most would take Rafael ahead of Sagna. Sagna might be better at the moment, but it's quite obvious that Rafael will become a better full back than Sagna.
There's fifty thousand chanting that from the terraces every weekend. You think they actually think the referee had a quiet little jacuzzi lie-in with Messrs Fergie, Wenger or Moyes before the game?
Players do it all the time, as Wenger has hinted in his previous statement about the 'issue'. This is bordering on the ridiculous now. I'd fully expect grown men(and women
) to see that Moyes is just acting the twat and diverting attention from his rapidly sinking team.
Players do it all the time, as Wenger has hinted in his previous statement about the 'issue'. This is bordering on the ridiculous now. I'd fully expect grown men(and women
) to see that Moyes is just acting the twat and diverting attention from his rapidly sinking team.I'd fully expect men to see all of them are acting like twats. Cesc for starting it, Moyes for making a deal out of it and Wenger shitting it up even more. Wenger is however excused as he's defending his player. Nothing wrong with that.
The merits of assists as a stats is discussed to death already, let's just leave it at that.
Err... all comps, (i) Messi played and scored a few in the Spanish Community Shield, (ii) Barca have had much much easier draws in the Copa del Rey - Real had Seville & Atletico when Barca had Almeria & Betis in the last 2 rounds.
League alone is the fairest comparison.
I can't believe this turned into a Ronaldo v Messi debate. Can you all piss off to the designated fecking thread please.
Bullshit excuse. Anyone who watches Rafael play without dumb ass bias can see he is far better than Jonhson has ever been. For he is super going forward and he can actually defend very well too.
More bulshit Bullshit. Firstly, a fullback doesn't need his center backs to shine. Look at Ivanoci last year. Totally outshone his center backs. Second, Sagna is no where near as good as you love to think. He isn't even the best right back in the league, that particular player is still Ivanovic.
Rather what is hilariously misguided is anyone claiming Rafael is '' massively overrated'' or remotely as bad as Glen Johnson defensively. To even call it 'a bit harsh' reeks of utter stupidity and typical fan boish bias.
Why are Arsenal fans so precious about Sagna? Is it because he's the only defender they have who isn't a clown?
He has clown'ish hair.
Funnily enough the red-nosed ones have conceded just one more league goal that you despite having played more aways and more difficult teams.
Also scored 4 more.
I haven't read the whole thread but I need to say that Moyes is making a real mess of this incident. I respect Moyes and I really like him but he is making himself look like an idiot with his latest comments.
You lost, get over it and focus on the next game instead of trying to divert the attention from their loss to some stupid and irrelevant thing that happened in the tunnel at half time.
You lost, get over it and focus on the next game instead of trying to divert the attention from their loss to some stupid and irrelevant thing that happened in the tunnel at half time.
He has thrown his moyes out of the pram about it.
Can't blame him though, Fabregas is a despicable little shit at times.
Can't blame him though, Fabregas is a despicable little shit at times.
They're precious about each of their players.
This Cesc guy seems a lot worse than I thought. You don't accuse the ref for fixing matches. He owes an apology to the ref and Wenger shouldn't try to cover this up.
I'm guessing you haven't seen much of Rafael this season.
Yep, you definitely haven't seen Rafael this season.
He really doesn't.
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Last season Rafael was a potentially great rightback. Fantastic going forward, fairly good at defending, but liable on getting caught out of position. Everything you guys were saying would've been fair enough last season.
This season he has, as somebody else said, improved exponentially. He started the season not going forward all that often and just focused on his defensive play, meaning he almost never got caught out of position or had trouble handling an opposition winger. Then over the last two months or so he's started getting forward again, but balancing that with the superior defensive strength that he fostered at the beginning of the season. Basically, he's now got the balance just about perfect.
Normally you look at the last few seasons to get an idea how good a player is. But Rafael has improved defensively so much this season you really have to throw out last season and treat him like a completely different player.
He's up there with Berbatov, Nani and Vidic as our best player this season. You don't reach that level by being a wannabe winger who can't defend.
Christ what fecking difference does it make, fact is Messi has scored more goals.
I'm sure Ronaldo is taking over your brain.
To be fair, Wenger practically calling him a liar forced his hand somewhat.
The absolute irony of Fabregas accusing an official of taking bribes given Arsenal's luck with refereeing decisions this season.
We've had no more luck than anyone else - it doesn't become more true the more you say it.
Up until the middle of January, United had won two away games, and in both of them they should have been down to 10 men before half time. So stop talking about luck.
I doubt you watched the games in their entirety. In the Stoke game, Neville won the ball for his first yellow, it wasn't even a foul never mind a booking I suspect the referee realised his mistake hence not showing the second yellow. At West Brom, yes he should have gone, but we had a stonewaller turned down as well in the second half. You've had 14 penalties to our 5, as well as 7 opponents sent off - more than United (2), Man City (3), Chelsea (0) and Spurs (1) combined. About 8 of those penalties were dubious to say the least, as well as 2 of the sendings off.
Fabregas, when things go slightly against the team, is possibly one of the biggest twats in football.
The thing is though is that you're sort of saying that the decisions may have made an impact on the result. A lot of the time, the decisions have been 50/50, but the score has been 3-0 at the time. We have more penalties than anyone else because we spend the most amount of time in the opponent's box. Yes, 14-5 still seems disproportional, but it's understandable.
Opponents being sent off doesn't come down to luck. It's due to their poor play and skill. I imagine the two you're referring to are Gary Cahill and the Blackpool player whose name escapes me. In the case of the former, it was a poor challenge which was very similar to the one Wilshere got sent off for against Birmingham, and in the case of the latter, he brought Chamakh down in a game we won 6-0 anyway.
We've not been lucky at all this season - and that was encapsulated by Mason almost losing us a game on Tuesday night.
EDIT - and yes, I watched both games in their entirety.
Not to mention all the red cards Arsenal players have escaped, most recently Fabregas raking his studs down Arteta's achilles.
Without referees they'd barely be top four.
Without referees they'd barely be top four.
And in both those games we should have penalties as well and Neville's first yellow card at Stoke was an utter joke.
Evra at Stoke and the Odumdumwingie handball at WBA. So despite what you Gooners and the media in general try to portray we got as bad decisions in those games against as they went in our favor.
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