Cesc Fabregas

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Cal? said:
The people being all those who voted for Xavi and somehow had their vote changed to Xabi? :lol:

Messi won very little in 2010 and bottled it on the biggest stages, pretty clear Fifa rigged the voting to give him the award.
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I was referring to Sneidjer not winning it, we all know how objective you are when you come to Messi so I'd ratehr not discuss that
 
Boss said:
I was referring to Sneidjer not winning it, we all know how objective you are when you come to Messi so I'd ratehr not discuss that
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Ha, I think Messi should have finished above Ronaldo in the Ballon d'Or voting last season. Both bottled the CL & WC and Messi at least won La Liga.

I like all the Barca players as little as each other, but even so I could see Xavi had much better claims to the Ballon D'or than Messi.
 
Cal? said:
Ha, I think Messi should have finished above Ronaldo in the Ballon d'Or voting last season. Both bottled the CL & WC and Messi at least won La Liga.

I like all the Barca players as little as each other, but even so I could see Xavi had much better claims to the Ballon D'or than Messi.
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do you think Sneidjer is a better player than Fabregas?
 
Boss said:
do you think Sneidjer is a better player than Fabregas?
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I think Sneijder had the better season in 09/10.

If you're asking who I'd rather have at United, the answer is Fabregas as he's younger and already acclimatized to the Premier League.
 
Cal? said:
Funny how everyone seem to think Sneijder was the linchpin of that Inter side, yet you disagree. Would it be rather than the rest of the Caf over-rate Sneijder, you under-rate him?
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This is gonna be great Cal now you're looking at Sneijder as the greatest of all time and Fabregas is becoming your 'latest' Henry

Based on what happens on the field in the actual playing of the game I'd take Fabregas over Sneijder every time. Sneijder is obviously a cracking player but was playing in a side under a manager that allowed his ability to help his sides win everything - well done him

Then again so did Cesc and before you start with the he doe'snt even make the starting line up for Spain in both the last Euros and the world cup his contributions when he did play was excellent and went a long way to helping Spain win both of those tourneys

Cesc for me - fantastic player -who's actually going to get better - hopefully at Arsenal
 
Jopub said:
This is gonna be great Cal now you're looking at Sneijder as the greatest of all time and Fabregas is becoming your 'latest' Henry

Based on what happens on the field in the actual playing of the game I'd take Fabregas over Sneijder every time. Sneijder is obviously a cracking player but was playing in a side under a manager that allowed his ability to help his sides win everything - well done him

Then again so did Cesc and before you start with the he doe'snt even make the starting line up for Spain in both the last Euros and the world cup his contributions when he did play was excellent and went a long way to helping Spain win both of those tourneys

Cesc for me - fantastic player -who's actually going to get better - hopefully at Arsenal
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No, I don't think Sneijder is all that great, but he deserves to be ahead of Fabregas based on the seasons they had.

What exactly do you mean by becoming the next Henry? You mean seeing the truth, that Henry was never ever the best in the world like you goons imagined? I was right regarding his consistent bottling of the biggest games in his career and I was right again when I pointed out how he was only going downhill after 05/06.

He's not starting for Spain because Del Bosque believes he isn't good enough to start, plenty of players make an impact as a sub, doesn't change the fact they weren't good enough to start.

Cesc is a fantastic player, possibly the only Arsenal player good enough for United.
 
MrMarcello said:
How did you feel about Ronaldo in 2002?

Zidane in 1998 and 2003?

Cannavaro in 2006?

Kaka in 2007?
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what I'll say is Fat Ronaldo didn't derseve it, not on a world cup alone where Rivaldo and Ronaldinho were up there with him

and Kaka winning it was daylight robbery from Ronaldo who should have won it twice in a row, the guy didn't even have to show up in serie a, and that's the reason he's never been consistent since, because he was propelled as the best player in the world when he clearly wasn't, a billing he could never live up to, it actually fecked him in a way because people have expectations of Kaka which just doesn't suit him

alot of these things are dodgy

1998 either zizou (who was sensational for Juve) or Ronaldo, it's a matter of preference

Canavaro give me a fecking break, Ronaldinho should have won it hands down, a bad world cup makes people forget what he did throughout the whole season
 
Cal? said:
No, I don't think Sneijder is all that great, but he deserves to be ahead of Fabregas based on the seasons they had.

What exactly do you mean by becoming the next Henry? You mean seeing the truth, that Henry was never ever the best in the world like you goons imagined? I was right regarding his consistent bottling of the biggest games in his career and I was right again when I pointed out how he was only going downhill after 05/06.

He's not starting for Spain because Del Bosque believes he isn't good enough to start, plenty of players make an impact as a sub, doesn't change the fact they weren't good enough to start.

Cesc is a fantastic player, possibly the only Arsenal player good enough for United.
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Nasri is good enough for him, I hate that prick, reads a thread on the Caf and turns into a beast
 
Boss said:
what I'll say is Fat Ronaldo didn't derseve it, not on a world cup alone where Rivaldo and Ronaldinho were up there with him

and Kaka winning it was daylight robbery from Ronaldo who should have won it twice in a row, the guy didn't even have to show up in serie a, and that's the reason he's never been consistent since, because he was propelled as the best player in the world when he clearly wasn't, a billing he could never live up to, it actually fecked him in a way because people have expectations of Kaka which just doesn't suit him

alot of these things are dodgy

1998 either zizou (who was sensational for Juve) or Ronaldo, it's a matter of preference

Canavaro give me a fecking break, Ronaldinho should have won it hands down, a bad world cup makes people forget what he did throughout the whole season
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So Sneijder, who was splendid from Jan-May 2010 and in the World Cup, but has struggled since September (Rafa effect, like the rest of the Inter squad), wasn't deserving?
 
I thought Sneijder's World Cup performances were largely overrated. Went missing against Denmark, Cameroon and Uruguay (barring the fortuitous deflected goal) and was kept quiet by Busquets for the majority of the final.

Also, only one goal from open play in the league last season was poor for someone of his quality.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
I thought Sneijder's World Cup performances were largely overrated. Went missing against Denmark, Cameroon and Uruguay (barring the fortuitous deflected goal) and was kept quiet by Busquets for the majority of the final.

Also, only one goal from open play in the league last season was poor for someone of his quality.
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the ball just seemed to keep bouncing off him

he's just extremely overrated player

he wasn't as good as Milito last season but he claims all the plaudits
 
Boss said:
the ball just seemed to keep bouncing off him

he's just extremely overrated player

he wasn't as good as Milito last season but he claims all the plaudits
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Yeah, it's quite fashionable to overlook poor old Diegol. Scored the winner in the final league game, the winner in the Coppa Italia final and grabbed a brace in the Champions League final.

When Inter needed him most, he stepped up to the plate and delivered.
 
So (hypothetically) do Inter reach the CL final without the midfielder playmaker?

I have my doubts. He did tick that side providing crucial goals and passes. 4 G, 6 A in 24 league matches doesn't look great on paper, but he was even better in CL with 3 G, 6 A in 11 matches. World Cup: 5 G, 1 A. No one complains when Ronaldo or Giggs or whomever scores a deflected or fortuitous goal. Only when it betters an argument against does it then matter (which is a ludicrous claim and straw clutching at best).

If he had joined United we'd be going over the moon about him. Well at least those that see and appreciate his quality.
 
MrMarcello said:
Scholes struggled internationally and doesn't score regularly - does that diminish his impact on games and club?
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Don't really see the comparison, considering how the Dutch side was built around Sneijder, whereas Scholes had to be accommodated in a wide role. As for goals, Sneijder plays much higher up the pitch, between the lines, whereas Scholes sits deep.

You'd expect someone with his ability to score more from open play, even if it's "only" in the league.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Don't really see the comparison, considering how the Dutch side was built around Sneijder, whereas Scholes had to be accommodated in a wide role. As for goals, Sneijder plays much higher up the pitch, between the lines, whereas Scholes sits deep.

You'd expect someone with his ability to score more from open play, even if it's "only" in the league.
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Then shouldn't Giggs and Scholes also score more regularly?

Or is it simply because it's Sneijder that it suddenly is a negative? :rolleyes:
 
MrMarcello said:
So (hypothetically) do Inter reach the CL final without the midfielder playmaker?

I have my doubts. He did tick that side providing crucial goals and passes. 4 G, 6 A in 24 league matches doesn't look great on paper, but he was even better in CL with 3 G, 6 A in 11 matches. World Cup: 5 G, 1 A. No one complains when Ronaldo or Giggs or whomever scores a deflected or fortuitous goal. Only when it betters an argument against does it then matter (which is a ludicrous claim and straw clutching at best).

If he had joined United we'd be going over the moon about him. Well at least those that see and appreciate his quality.
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I really just don't understand this rant, he played an important part for Inter, no doubt about it, but he wasn't as good as people made him out to be
 
Cal? said:
Messi won very little in 2010 and bottled it on the biggest stages, pretty clear Fifa rigged the voting to give him the award.
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is this a joke?
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Yes, because that's exactly what I suggested. :wenger:
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Certainly seems to be the emphasis by talking up Milito and others while slating Sneijder for Netherlands focusing the tactics around him. Seems to surely point to Sneijder being hyped and/or overrated.

Either way, it's all opinion. Carry on. Apparently quite a few football fans think he was deserving, including players.
 
MrMarcello said:
Certainly seems to be the emphasis by talking up Milito and others while slating Sneijder for Netherlands focusing the tactics around him. Seems to surely point to Sneijder being hyped and/or overrated.

Either way, it's all opinion. Carry on. Apparently quite a few football fans think he was deserving, including players.
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lets not talk about what a other fans think and the actual performances, I mean four four 2 fans voted Bale the 2nd best player in the world

Sneijder wasn't worthy of a balondor, not on his performances imo
 
Cal? said:
No, I don't think Sneijder is all that great, but he deserves to be ahead of Fabregas based on the seasons they had.

What exactly do you mean by becoming the next Henry? You mean seeing the truth, that Henry was never ever the best in the world like you goons imagined? I was right regarding his consistent bottling of the biggest games in his career and I was right again when I pointed out how he was only going downhill after 05/06.

He's not starting for Spain because Del Bosque believes he isn't good enough to start, plenty of players make an impact as a sub, doesn't change the fact they weren't good enough to start.

Cesc is a fantastic player, possibly the only Arsenal player good enough for United.
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:lol:

Christ you're a joke.
 
Boss said:
lets not talk about what a other fans think and the actual performances, I mean four four 2 fans voted Bale the 2nd best player in the world

Sneijder wasn't worthy of a balondor, not on his performances imo
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Most fans think Messi and Ronaldo are the best... should we discout those opinions?

Just sayin.

I do find polls ridiculous and players thick and/or geared towards name recognition, but the awards are voted by media, coaches and players, which gives far more credence than a fan vote (granted it's not always the right choice IMO, see Cannavaro for example).

For my two cents, I think Messi was the deserving winner. But had Sneijder or Xavi won the award I wouldn't have complained. However, had Iniesta won...
 
cesc's_mullet said:
:lol:

Christ you're a joke.
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Dunno there. Which Arsenal starting XI would displace United's starting XI (assuming all are fit to play).

I can't see RVP displacing Berbatov or Rooney. None of Arsenal's wingers/wide players would displace Nani, Valencia or Giggs. Certainly none of the defenders, and let's not even mention the keeper spot.

The only place it could happen would be midfield with Cesc over perhaps Scholes or Anderson, but that's probably a rotating spot. SAF wouldn't dare field a Cesc-Scholes partnership. I suppose Cesc could play an advanced role supporting Berbatov or Rooney.
 
Boss said:
out of interest who do you think will get into our first 11?
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That's something for another thread...

... And it would depend on the formation being used, but clearly Sagna, Nasri and Fabregas would make the side. Van Persie would get in before Rooney at this stage, and ahead of Berbatov if Rooney hits top form again. I would argue Song should get a gig too, but like I said that all depends on formation.
 
Boss said:
out of interest who do you think will get into our first 11?
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Nasri would definitely play here and van Persie could get into the side, don't think there's much between Sagna and Rafael (who are both excellent) or Carrick and Song (who are both decent but not top class), Evra's better than Clichy even if out of form, our central defenders are a class above. Walcott could get games for us too, but he wouldn't be ahead of Nani.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
That's something for another thread...

... And it would depend on the formation being used, but clearly Sagna, Nasri and Fabregas would make the side. Van Persie would get in before Rooney at this stage, and ahead of Berbatov if Rooney hits top form again. I would argue Song should get a gig too, but like I said that all depends on formation.
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Not so sure about Sagna, swapping Rafael for him would make no sense as Rafael has done extremely well for us this season and has been our best player on more than one occassion. Spot on with the rest, though competition between RvP, Rooney and Berbatov would be tight and any of them could miss out on the basis of form at the time. Fabregas and Nasri are two players who would definitely make the team.
 
MrMarcello said:
Dunno there. Which Arsenal starting XI would displace United's starting XI (assuming all are fit to play).

I can't see RVP displacing Berbatov or Rooney. None of Arsenal's wingers/wide players would displace Nani, Valencia or Giggs. Certainly none of the defenders, and let's not even mention the keeper spot.

The only place it could happen would be midfield with Cesc over perhaps Scholes or Anderson, but that's probably a rotating spot. SAF wouldn't dare field a Cesc-Scholes partnership. I suppose Cesc could play an advanced role supporting Berbatov or Rooney.
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No offense mate, but you have got to be kidding me..?

If that was the case United would be topping the table by 20 points by now.
 
MrMarcello said:
Then why aren't Arsenal tops if so many of them would displace United's starting XI?

It's clear United haven't even hit top gear and still lead the pack.
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He hasn't even said that many Arsenal players would play here, he mentioned three. It's fair to say that a team with eight superior players would be ahead.
 
MrMarcello said:
Then why aren't Arsenal tops if so many of them would displace United's starting XI?

It's clear United haven't even hit top gear and still lead the pack.
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If seven or eight players would then you'd expect Arsenal would be top, but there wouldn't be so we aren't. I only put up five names anyway, and only three of which I believe would be definite.........

If only one player (that being the best midfielder in the league and one of the few best in the world) would only have a rotating spot with Anderson and Scholes in the side, then United would be the best side in the world by a long stretch.
 
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