I think he would be a brilliant signing. He would help not hinder welbeck and hernandez develop, Allow us to rest rooney and give us another option. However, i dont think a move for hin would be realistic. Huntlaar last year, jelovic in jan would have ticked all the boxes. Other players will be out there and fergie definatley has an eye for a striker.
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I think he would be a brilliant signing. He would help not hinder welbeck and hernandez develop, Allow us to rest rooney and give us another option. However, i dont think a move for hin would be realistic. Huntlaar last year, jelovic in jan would have ticked all the boxes. Other players will be out there and fergie definatley has an eye for a striker.
The short answer to that is....NO!. However the 2007 team is probably the third best team United has ever had (after the treble winning and the Busby babes). Welbeck and Hernandez are still young and they had proved that they can notch goals at the highest level. We've got 2 English internationals (Welbeck and Rooney) + a proven Mexican international contending for the lone striker role. On top of that, we'll have bought an attacking midfielder who score goals for fun + Young can play in the hole if needed.
You may not notice but I tend to be pretty critical about United
. However even I am happy with such forward line1.) i dont share your confidence kagawa having and instant inpact as foreigner often dont and ive never seen him.
2.) i dont know how fergie intend to play
3.) i'll repeat again.....im not saying we need 4 "top" strikers im saying we need 4. Time and againid be happy with a youngster.
4.) when we signed hernandez we already had berbatov and rooney. Hernandez got 20, berbatov was top scorer plus we still had owen, macheda. So players can develop, rest and still get the required game time whilst also creating compeition.
5.). Of course one injury can make a difference. If tevez left city they would remain fav's. If wayne rooney broke his leg this sunmer are you saying the odda of us winning the league wouldnt go up???
The short answer to that is....NO!. However the 2007 team is probably the third best team United has ever had (after the treble winning and the Busby babes). Welbeck and Hernandez are still young and they had proved that they can notch goals at the highest level. We've got 2 English internationals (Welbeck and Rooney) + a proven Mexican international contending for the lone striker role. On top of that, we'll have bought an attacking midfielder who score goals for fun + Young can play in the hole if needed.
You may not notice but I tend to be pretty critical about United
Im not questioning the qaulity of welbeck and hernandez. In questioning the wisdom of entering what will hopefully be a 60 games season with 3 centre forwards. Lets say one of them was to get injured now and be out untill feb. would you be happy / confident with just the two??
I wouldnt
Isn't that exactly what Berbatov is?
The short answer to that is....NO!. However the 2007 team is probably the third best team United has ever had (after the treble winning and the Busby babes). Welbeck and Hernandez are still young and they had proved that they can notch goals at the highest level. We've got 2 English internationals (Welbeck and Rooney) + a proven Mexican international contending for the lone striker role. On top of that, we'll have bought an attacking midfielder who score goals for fun + Young can play in the hole if needed.
You may not notice but I tend to be pretty critical about United
I dont care that "young can play in thw hole if needed" we arent villa. 4th spot and above isnt the aim. Winning it is. Using the "player a can do a job there" logic then we dont need midfielder because jones and park can play there if needed
Possibly yeah. Maybe thats why the season before last when berbs played, was top scorer whilst rooney and hernandez also got 20 each we won the league. Variety, competition and cover!
And they almost imploded as a result. You mention they outscored us despite Tevez being away for 6 months when that actually helped them find some stability and they were fortunate he returned only when they actually needed him around.
We too had a fourth striker, he warmed the bench all season and you only ever considered him an option when needing a creative alternative to Rooney (something Kagawa adresses), why buy someone to replace him for the role of last resort striker who never actually plays except in the cups? Give Keane or Macheda a shot in that scenario.
The fct remains that they had 4 varied strikers and won the league and also regulatly played 4231
Macheda has had more than enough opportunity. He's been around 4-5 years now. Go back to my OP. id be happy with keane filling that role. Personally i havent seen much of him but he's obviousley rated. However he's injured and prior to that was linked with a season loan at every club in the league.
Young plays in the hole with england. Its a decent 4th stiker
Pretty much!
Carrol, bent and defoe are the alternatives. Im talking about united not the deadbeat england squad.
Rooney breaks down at the euro's. He's out for the season. Are you happy going into the season with welbeck and hernandez???
Rooney/welbeck/macheda/young or rooney/chica/macheda/young will still provide enough quality cover for a lone striker system. Things get more complicated if rooney gets injured. However that would hinder us no matter whom we bring
It's pretty bloody unlikely that Rooney will sustain a season ending injury at the Euros. It's possible, but it's so unlikely that there's no real need to factor it into our planning. You can flip the scenario as well - Carrick destroys an ACL in pre-season training, out for the season. Are you happy going into the season with Park, Jones and Fletcher as our defensive midfielders?
The other thing you need to consider in your comparison over the years is the squad size. With the limit at 25 and aiming at playing 4-2-3-1 having three players for the 1 is more than enough.
You dismiss the "Young can play behind the striker" but that is part and parcel. The fact is just having cover at each position takes you to 22 players, add the need for specialists to allow for tactical variations and you are shot. Of course, younger players cut you some slack, but having four recognised strikers for one slot is clearly a luxury.
You mention what happens if Rooney is injured for six months. It is Rooney, City would have got nowhere near the title with Aguero out for six months, even with their four strikers which jointly cost over 100M and a fair whack in wages. At least we have covered our arses as far as dynamism and creativity behind the striker is concerned, which was the main worry.
We are much more badly in need of reinforcements elsewhere, it is crystal clear.
In all fairness if we bought a couple of central midfielders last year (as most would agree we should have), most people on here would be saying a LB and a striker is definitely our aim for the Summer. They don't however want to sound spoilt and a muppet by saying we "need" 2 central midfielders, a LB and a striker, this sounds like major surgery on an already good team.
Central midfield is definitely a priority though... I'd be happy going into the season with our strike force if it meant addressing the obvious problems in central midfield. Gambling with Carrick as the only reliable midfielder didn't pay off last season and without a huge slice of luck I can't see it paying off next.
I tend to agree though with some of what you're saying, going into the season with Welbeck, Hernandez and Rooney is light in comparison with the likes of City/Madrid or our '99/'07 teams.
Central midfield is definitely a priority though... I'd be happy going into the season with our strike force if it meant addressing the obvious problems in central midfield. Gambling with Carrick as the only reliable midfielder didn't pay off last season and without a huge slice of luck I can't see it paying off next.
I tend to agree though with some of what you're saying, going into the season with Welbeck, Hernandez and Rooney is light in comparison with the likes of City/Madrid or our '99/'07 teams.
Of course not!!! Im not debating that. However we also have anderson, cleveley, scholes and giggs so your scenario is not at all likeley. We got through vidic injury and defended well with evans in particular developing as he had rio alongside him. So whilst games obviousley help youngsters need support. Had we not had rio and evens and jones had to play the season it would have quite likely destroyed them not let them develop.
They won the title and had tevez out for 6months
This is like a broken record.
- Tevez was out for six months as a result of toys out of the pram that results from being overstaffed. They were better off with him gone and not brooding on the bench.
- We had five strikers and didn't win it.
- Having four strikers is not a requirement to win things.
Whats difficult to accept is that we appear to be relying on the inprovement of welbeck to be enough to improve and beat city
We didnt draw 4-4 with Everton or lose 3-2 at home to Blackburn because we didn't have enough goalscorers.
Two words: centre midfield. Next.
Two words: centre midfield. Next.
Out of the 4 strikers only aguero really scored a decent amount of goals. The rest came from other areas.
Well considering it was leaking goals that cost us the title rather than scoring goals I wouldn't say we're relying on that at all. And we've just added one of the best attacking players in the German league.
Dzecko got more than welbeck and hernandez.
Regardless, i dont care what they have im more interested in us.
Im personally not confident going into a season with rooney, welbeck and hernandez. Regardless of how many wingers can do a job in the hole.
Others are happy with the 3. No problem
Scoring goals isn't our problem. Leaking goals is and midfield is the area that needs investment.
I liked 'you mean like bilboa do??" more!
Athletic bilboa vs real drago in the war to settle the score
Btw foster, spell check is your friend.
Haha im on the iphone. Useless for typing on.
It would appear in alone in my fear that rooney welbeck hernandez wont be sufficient.
Hope im terribly wrong but have a feeling i wont be.
It would appear in alone in my fear that rooney welbeck hernandez wont be sufficient.
Hope im terribly wrong but have a feeling i wont be.
Is kagawa not the midfielder we've all been asking for?? With scholes returning, carrick getting the summer off and ando/cleverley hopfully being fit we will be stronger in the middle than we where last year. Lets say we sign modric to play with carrick behind kagawa who in turn plays behind rooney how does the help welbecks development? Or that of anderson/cleverley/tunnickiff/petrucci/pogba?
Our problem in midfield wasn't a lack of creativity but a lack of defensive stability in stronger games and a lack of actual options due to all the injuries. Seeing as how the other midfielders being fit doesn't solve the defensive issues and also we can't take any assurances that they will stay fit for the whole season.
We didn't have any real issues up top in terms of return or injuries. As others have said we barely played Berba and Kagawa has effectively taken his spot, with Hernandez likely starting off as fourth choice.
We didn't have any real issues up top in terms of return or injuries. As others have said we barely played Berba and Kagawa has effectively taken his spot, with Hernandez likely starting off as fourth choice.
You dont think we suffered froma lack of creativity in the middle???? fecking hell ive heard it all now. As for lacking a defnsive midfielder??? Wasnt carrick one of our star performers??? He certainly isnt an attacking player is he
We could play 60 games next season and without Carrick we have looked vulnerable. If we lost Rooney for a few games I wouldn't be as concerned about getting goals with the attacking players we've got. Lose Carrick for any period of time and I would be.
We are absolutely nailed on to go out and buy 2 strikers now this thread is here.
I fail to see how another player coming Ito their positions could be beneficial at all. Players improve by playing games, not by sitting on the bench. Welbeck in particular has been out on loan, proved, come back and improved again.
I remain to be convinced as to whether he's a really top class player, but he deserves a chance to prove it. Limit his game time significantly more Han last ya and he'll we away.
Just saying Will Keane was ear marked for a role this coming season. Obviously this ain't going to happen now. I dont think we'll go out and buy anyone but we have others that potentially could be fast tracked. Macheda? What about Joshua King. Doesn't this present an opportunity for these players.
Biggest games, and in europe what was the issue? We didn't have the stability in midfield. Without Fletcher we don't have anyone who could either partner Carrick in tough games as he has so often before or come in for him when Carrick can't play. Additionally we lacked another midfielder who could actually stay fit. Most teams have more than one other defensively strong midfielder in the first 11. City have Barry and Toure, Barca Busquets and Xavi, Real Alonso and Diarra/Khedira.
With Fletcher going to be a question mark and none of our other midfielders capable of doing his role or providing any real defensive cover, plus with all of them having some sort of fitness issue, then getting a midfielder has to be our biggest priority.
Injuries are part and parcel of the game which is exactly my point. Last year we had vidic/anderson/cleverley out pretty much all season. We also had injuries to nani/valencia/young and a crises in the back 4.
Most clubs get one or two long term injuryies per year. If one or more effected our 3 forwards then despite kagawa/young being able to "do a job" it would feck us right up. With reference to the blackburn game that people mentioned, that was as a result of jones and rafa "doing a job"!
How does signing another striker help the development of Welbeck, Hernandez and Keane?. Fine, Keane is out, so Macheda gets a final chance in the meantime. Buy someone and Keane is gone, while the other two are stunted since (for all your excuses) you will only settle for someone at the level of Yorke/Cole/Tevez/Saha/Balotelli/Dzeko based on previous comparative posts.
And he is the only one who can perform that critical role, while we have three strikers. It really is common sense that striker is not a priority.
We should sign a fourth keeper then as well, just in case both DDG and Lindegaard are out
Which was their point: we lack midfield cover, not another effing striker.