Centre Forward

How is this a two page discussion? How has anyone done anything other than seeing it and having some kind of stroke? It is genuinely the most staggeringly idiotic OP I have ever seen on this forum, and what a fecking achievement that is. Is this what we've sunk too? Are we so deranged by the absence of football that someone can say something almost literally insane and we all think "yeah, that's a reasonable point, I'll engage with that". What the fecking Christ is happening? Just to remind everyone what we're dealing with:

Not even an average side would be scared of Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez

That is literally what began this obscenity against sense and decency. Why is the thread anything other than page after page of shock, derision and suicide notes? The three strikers, between them, managed to score against every single team we played last season except Benfica, Blackburn and Wigan. Every single team we played last season bar Benfica, Blackburn and Wigan being 'below average' is, genuinely, the stupidest thing I have ever read on the entire internet.
 
ben_foster said:
quite possibly. id be more than happy with that. thats our way of operating and im proud of that. the thing is we only have one striker who isnt developing in rooney. welbeck and hernandez are both going through that process themselves, i think it would make sense to help them develop be bringing in a another striker. an owen type player (who actually is fit to play) would be ideal or as you rightly say a developing player. i totally agree with all of your points.

in addition.....by adopting the same logic, then spending big on a midfielder who knock all of our young midfielders down the pecking order. personally i would say cleverley and anderson have just as much potential as welbeck and hernandez.
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You would be wrong. Cleverly hasn't had the breakout year that Welbeck had last year (due to injuries), and likewise, Anderson has been blighted by injuries. If we don't buy a midfielder, then it will be because Fergie has full confidence that all of our midfield options will be available next year. That includes, Fletch, Ando, Cleverly, and Scholes.
 
ben_foster said:
nor where we exactly free scoring. as i keep saying, take rooney out and it doesnt look that good. welbeck return for a united striker playing 40 games is not exactly brilliant is it????? its really not althat unlikeley that rooney maybe out for 6 or 7 weeks. maybe more. IF that happened then we would have welbeck and hernandez, personally i dont think that would be strong enough over a number of weeks. espeically if it coicided with a busy fixture period.

even if we had outscored everybody in the league with 3 world class centre forwards.........id still prefer to have a fourth, like we always have done


those teams had qaulity wingers and midfielders that chipped in.
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If you take your biggest goal scorer out of most teams it's gonna hurt. But who's to say that if we didn't give Hernandez more games he wouldn't have scored more. You would expect Welbeck to improve on his goal scoring record. Also lets not forget Rooney takes all the pens. He got a fair amount of those last year. If that was spread around the squad or someone else then their records would look pretty decent.

Also again you keep leaving out Kagawa. He has a good goal scoring record. Sure maybe Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa won't get 20 goals each but they can all make a significant contribution. As can Nani, Valencia and Young. Having four out and out strikers isn't necessary when we have these wingers about because we can go 433.

If we were planning to play 442 every week than a fourth striker would be good. But we're not. We're looking to play either 4411/433 by the looks of it. And it that case there's no need to have 4 strikers.
 
ben_foster said:
he's injured. and for feck sake, if people are proposing will keane has our 4 striker then we have petrucci, tunnicliffe lingaard, cole and maybe pogba whom are at a similar level to keane who can cover midfield.
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Yes.

He is injured so thats what I meant, when he comes back then what?
 
Chabon said:
How is this a two page discussion? How has anyone done anything other than seeing it and having some kind of stroke? It is genuinely the most staggeringly idiotic OP I have ever seen on this forum, and what a fecking achievement that is. Is this what we've sunk too? Are we so deranged by the absence of football that someone can say something almost literally insane and we all think "yeah, that's a reasonable point, I'll engage with that". What the fecking Christ is happening? Just to remind everyone what we're dealing with:

Not even an average side would be scared of Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez

That is literally what began this obscenity against sense and decency. Why is the thread anything other than page after page of shock, derision and suicide notes? The three strikers, between them, managed to score against every single team we played last season except Benfica, Blackburn and Wigan. Every single team we played last season bar Benfica, Blackburn and Wigan being 'below average' is, genuinely, the stupidest thing I have ever read on the entire internet.
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[PEDANT]We actually put 7 goals past Blackburn and Wigan over the course of last season[/PEDANT]
 
Lets look at it this way. Forget kagawa, young etc who can play centrally "in the hole". As its confusing the issue of if they would then be classed as a midfielder or a forward.

The senior central midfielders go into next season who operate as traditional centre midfielders are:-

Carrick
Scholes
Giggs
Cleverley
Anderson
Fletcher?????
Jones???? (personally don’t want him anywehere near our midfield but appreciate some think it maybe his position)

The senior centre forwards we go into next season who operate as traditional centre forwards are:-

Rooney
Welbeck
Hernandez.

Granted in an ideal world I would like us to sign modric to go in there with carrick. But If we have a limited budget the sigining of a centre forward would in my opinion strengthen us more. This opinion is based totally on numbers and qaulity. A carrick injury would be bad news but cleverley and anderson proved over 5-6 games at te start of last season (and against city, arsenal and chelsea) that they can cope. Add giggs and scholes to that then for next season there is not so much of a problem.

Should rooney get injured. I think it’s a different matter.


Also, everybody claiming we definatley dont need a forward and that our current forward line is great, how would you trate our current three forwards against:-

1.) City's
2.) Past United Forward lines under ferguson.
3.) Last years forward line?? Granted neither berbatov nor owen played but they where there should they be required to (in berbatovs case anyway. Berbatov was also top scorer season before last
4.) Other top european sides.

if anybody can honestly say that they believe rooney, hernandez and welbeck to be superior in anyway......to any of the 4 above then id be amazed.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
[PEDANT]We actually put 7 goals past Blackburn and Wigan over the course of last season[/PEDANT]
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cheers pogue. i was at the wigan game and rooney was massiveley out of sorts. one goal away to wigan would have won the league for us.......we didnt have any real options on the bench.

the goal which won city the title was the dzecko one. When they where chasing a goal they had an option. the interchanging of tevez, aguerro, nasri and silva was getting through. Mancini very wiseley didnt put on the similar balotelli.....instead he used the option of a big strong centre forward. they got a goal through lumping it in the mixer and then QPR gave in.

thats what 4 various styles of striker gives you
 
Ben you came at this ridiculous argument all wrong. If you had said we need another striker to complement the three we already have to emulate what he have had in the past then yeah its a decent argument. But no you came in attacking the club and its three strikers like a lesbian who has had her first hair pie in 6 months. I think you need to lay off the strikers we have, especially Wellbeck as he is obviously improving all the time.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Who should we go for, ben_foster?
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Honestly......i dont really know. it would depend on budget.

we have the allrounder in rooney, we have pace and power (when he fills out his frame) in welbeck and we have the poacher in hernandez. so simply looking at variation a taller strong centre forward. i mentioned llorente for his style but i doubt we would spend that much. huntlaar??? i really know... fergie plucks them from anywhere. in hindsight this jelovic would have been good "value" meets the criteria i think we would be looking for, is a good age, represent value and i think he would have been happy with 25-30 games over all competitions

i go back to my OP which opened by stating that im asuprised that there isnt too much concern about going into the season with other 3 centre forwards.

my concern comes form the fact all other successfull united teams (combining the league and europe) have a choice of 4 with a degree of variation. or at the least 3 plus ronaldo.
 
ben_foster said:
totally agree. but in that game we had ronaldo wide left who got 44 goals that year. we had tevez and rooney who got 20 odd each???? bit different from our current forward line isnt it?
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Ronaldo was a beast that can never be replaced. However I feel that we're going to be better of next season then last season in terms of goals. We're losing Berbatov (9 goals this season) and Owen (3 goals this season) with someone who scored 13 goals. That's says part of the story. One must consider, that Kagawa will improve our midfield (his assist stats is impressive) + players like Welbeck and Hernandez will be more experienced.
I also be surprised if we don't add a CM to the team which will improve us further in an area that we need.
 
Ramshock said:
Ben you came at this ridiculous argument all wrong. If you had said we need another striker to complement the three we already have to emulate what he have had in the past then yeah its a decent argument. But no you came in attacking the club and its three strikers like a lesbian who has had her first hair pie in 6 months. I think you need to lay off the strikers we have, especially Wellbeck as he is obviously improving all the time.
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ive never once attacked them. i simply stated facts. they are weaker than previous forward lines. they did only get 9 and 10 goals last year. thats not an attack on them its stating fact. as i have previousley mentioned, if we had 3 world class strikers at there peak i still think it prudent to have 4. im not slagging off hernandez or welbeck in the slightest.
 
devilish said:
Ronaldo was a beast that can never be replaced. However I feel that we're going to be better of next season then last season in terms of goals. We're losing Berbatov (9 goals this season) and Owen (3 goals this season) with someone who scored 13 goals. That's says part of the story. One must consider, that Kagawa will improve our midfield (his assist stats is impressive) + players like Welbeck and Hernandez will be more experienced.
I also be surprised if we don't add a CM to the team which will improve us further in an area that we need.
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i really really hope he does. ive only seen higlights and im excited about the lad. but i think we have to be careful in expectations. its easy to say that he got 13 and made 9 for dortmund so he should do better for us. its a very different league. but even if he does id still be happier with 4 centre forwards
 
ben_foster said:
ive never once attacked them. i simply stated facts. they are weaker than previous forward lines. they did only get 9 and 10 goals last year. thats not an attack on them its stating fact. as i have previousley mentioned, if we had 3 world class strikers at there peak i still think it prudent to have 4. im not slagging off hernandez or welbeck in the slightest.
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Around 10 goals in a season for a player that has been rotated quite a lot, in a side that splits goals between its forwards and winger (around 20 goals came from Young, Nani and Valencia last season, didn't they?) is a very good return. And it must be said that Welbeck was very wasteful last season, he created space with ease and could have scored a lot more. With similar performances and a bit more confidence I expect 15 goals from him next season. Same for Hernandez really, the season before he was more clinical and got around 20 goals.
 
And you keep leaving out Kagawa and the three wingers we have. We're unlikely to play 442 on a regular basis. Due to that we have two naturals at the number ten role in Rooney and Kagawa and a number of players who can easily step in there is necessary in Giggs and Young not to mention in a 433 Clev and Ando could do well in attacking midfield and are probably best there.

Up front we have 3 out and out strikers in Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez and in general we will only be playing with one striker. Add to that number of our wingers can come in and lead the line.

A fourth striker would be nice but it's definitely not more necessary than a solid midfielder is. And getting in an established one would make it hard for us to give everyone game time without considerable injuries.
 
ben_foster said:
I am really supised that there is not more concern about our seemingley lack of interest in a centre forward.

The midfield has long been an issue with the majority wanting us to sign a silva/nasri/sneijder type midfielder. with kagawa taking that spot we now have carrick, carrick, giggs, scholes, anderson, cleverley, kagawa, park and fletcher ???? playing for 2/3 places. Therefore surley there simply isnt room for another midfielder unless anderson, park, are gonners and fletcher doesnt return.

Left back is a concern should evera be injured suspended but the last 3 years have shown that if evra is available then he plays. So surley fryers/evens/da silva/giggs can cover the odd game he doesnt play. We wont get a better left back than those who would be willing to sit on the bench and with fabio ear marked for that position somebody like baines would be foolish to sign for us, unless he really rbelieves he can take evra's position.

So onto the centre forward. Owen is gone. Berbs will go. Will keane isnt going to push for a place due to injury and macheda looks like he wont fulfill his potential and so we are left with rooney, welbeck and hernandez. Which would be pretty good if we had ronaldo banging in 40 goals from out wide but we dont.

if i was looking at those three as potential oposition id be more than happy our backfore would handle them. I dont thik any topside would fear them, nor even an average side. Thats probs why far more teams come and have a go at us these days.

Anyway.....bit of a long post to say that i really think we need a centre forward. not sure who but if rooney gets injured (quite likeley) or has a quiet spell (again quite likeley) then we definatley need another world class forward. i also dont agree that bringging another forward in would be a bad thing for welbeck. sure it would initially reduce game time but i would also mean he has to raise his game. he's first choice at the minute. I cant think of another united team the last 20 years where welbeck would be close to the side never mind first choice
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No worries. I'd sign for half Rooney's salary. We'll be good to go
 
Ideally Kagawa would feed more balls to Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez to score, hence solve our goals problems.
 
Ash_G said:
And you keep leaving out Kagawa and the three wingers we have. We're unlikely to play 442 on a regular basis. Due to that we have two naturals at the number ten role in Rooney and Kagawa and a number of players who can easily step in there is necessary in Giggs and Young not to mention in a 433 Clev and Ando could do well in attacking midfield and are probably best there.

Up front we have 3 out and out strikers in Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez and in general we will only be playing with one striker. Add to that number of our wingers can come in and lead the line.

A fourth striker would be nice but it's definitely not more necessary than a solid midfielder is. And getting in an established one would make it hard for us to give everyone game time without considerable injuries.
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i keep leaving out kagawa beacuse

a.) we dont really know what to expect.
b.) he isnt a centre forward.

we have wingers who score goals. that i am not debating. never once have debated it. we are as strong as anybody there.

my concern is that we only have 3 centre forwards and are very reliant on one of them.
 
ben_foster said:
i really really hope he does. ive only seen higlights and im excited about the lad. but i think we have to be careful in expectations. its easy to say that he got 13 and made 9 for dortmund so he should do better for us. its a very different league. but even if he does id still be happier with 4 centre forwards
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If already said that its a simplistic view of seeing things. However by improving the midfield, its should, at least on paper, improve our ball possession and creativity which should be further translated in more goals. Don't forget that Young can play upfront too, so we've got, Young, Giggs and Kagawa as AM/deep lying striker AND Rooney, Welbeck, Chicarito and Macheda as the main striker (Rooney can easily shift in both positions)
 
ben_foster said:
i keep leaving out kagawa beacuse

a.) we dont really know what to expect.
b.) he isnt a centre forward.

we have wingers who score goals. that i am not debating. never once have debated it. we are as strong as anybody there.

my concern is that we only have 3 centre forwards and are very reliant on one of them.
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Ok we don't know how he will adapt which you could say for any signing including a new striker but what we do know is that he is an attacking midfielder. We know his most likely position is in between the midfield and strikers. And so when he plays we will only need one other striker. So effectively he's in competition with Welbeck and Hernandez. One of them will partner Rooney, the other two will be backup. That's pretty much the exact situation when we've had four strikers in the past, except then we played 442 and so needed 4 out and out strikers and now we play 4411 and so don't need 4 out and out strikers, what we do need is 4 players who can cover the striker and attacking midfield role which is what we have.
 
ben_foster said:
i keep leaving out kagawa beacuse

a.) we dont really know what to expect.
b.) he isnt a centre forward.we have wingers who score goals. that i am not debating. never once have debated it. we are as strong as anybody there.

my concern is that we only have 3 centre forwards and are very reliant on one of them.
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You're right - he plays behind a striker. If that's the case, and we sign another forward - for significant money (as with Llorente as previously suggested), where does Rooney fit in? And if said player comes off the bench, where do Hernandez and Welbeck fit in?

You seem to be missing the issue that by playing one forward up top - you can't keep three other players in that position getting regular game time. Even playing two up top at times this year Berbatov has hardly featured.

Rooney will expect to play in the vast majority of games, so any other striker will be joining to warm the bench. Maybe a young player with potential may be brought in, but an established forward simply simpky won't accept that.
 
I do think the OP has a point for two reasons:

1. Hernandez still looks far more dangerous to me coming off the bench. That leaves just Welbeck and Rooney as starting, 90 minute striking options.

2. None of those players are really 'target' men, and Fergie has always liked to have a mix of strikers as options should we need them (except when he has someone like Ruud, who obviously does everything, consistently well)

I could definitely see us get another random, athletic 'big strong fast' type player in from an obscure league or team.
 
Beachryan said:
I do think the OP has a point for two reasons:

1. Hernandez still looks far more dangerous to me coming off the bench. That leaves just Welbeck and Rooney as starting, 90 minute striking options.

2. None of those players are really 'target' men, and Fergie has always liked to have a mix of strikers as options should we need them (except when he has someone like Ruud, who obviously does everything, consistently well)

I could definitely see us get another random, athletic 'big strong fast' type player in from an obscure league or team.
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Both Welbeck and Hernandez are still developing aspects of their game. They will become more complete players in time.
 
ben_foster said:
i keep leaving out kagawa beacuse

a.) we dont really know what to expect.
b.) he isnt a centre forward.

we have wingers who score goals. that i am not debating. never once have debated it. we are as strong as anybody there.

my concern is that we only have 3 centre forwards and are very reliant on one of them.
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a) we didn't knew what to expect from Chicarito, Rooney (ok he was brilliant at Everton but he was just a kid and the gap between United and Everton is huge) etc etc etc. However we didn't brought backup for the eventuality that they may end up failing didn't we? PS If Kagawa sucks big time we can still revert to 4-4-2 with Rooney/Young playing as deep lying strikers and Welbeck/Chica playing as the main strikers.

b) In fact he's a trequartista, a position that doesn't truly slot in a 4-4-2 formation. A different system will demand a different setup and players.
 
My proposal that we need 4 forwards has been met with such opposition yet not one person has confirmed that they believe that our 3 centre forwards are better than those we had in 1999, 2007 or better or equal too city, madrid etc etc if that was even debatable (its not) then I could understand the strong opposition. For the record, those teams also had some pretty decent wingers and attacking midfielders. Pogue has pointed out that we scored 7 against wigan and blackburn all season this year. Comapre that to the totals of simlar sides in 1999 and 2007. id guess that we got closer to double that. Would that have been enough for us to win the league this year?

I also keep hearing how welbeck and hernandez are improving. Don’t think city and chelsea wont!
 
RedRover said:
You're right - he plays behind a striker. If that's the case, and we sign another forward - for significant money (as with Llorente as previously suggested), where does Rooney fit in? And if said player comes off the bench, where do Hernandez and Welbeck fit in?

You seem to be missing the issue that by playing one forward up top - you can't keep three other players in that position getting regular game time. Even playing two up top at times this year Berbatov has hardly featured.

Rooney will expect to play in the vast majority of games, so any other striker will be joining to warm the bench. Maybe a young player with potential may be brought in, but an established forward simply simpky won't accept that.[/QUOTE]

and if he doesnt are the other two capable of stepping up and replacing him with similar levels of performance and goals.

i would also like to reiterate the point that we dont have much by the way of options in changing a game. proven against wigan and against city
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devilish said:
a) we didn't knew what to expect from Chicarito, Rooney (ok he was brilliant at Everton but he was just a kid and the gap between United and Everton is huge) etc etc etc. However we didn't brought backup for the eventuality that they may end up failing didn't we? PS If Kagawa sucks big time we can still revert to 4-4-2 with Rooney/Young playing as deep lying strikers and Welbeck/Chica playing as the main strikers.

b) In fact he's a trequartista, a position that doesn't truly slot in a 4-4-2 formation. A different system will demand a different setup and players.
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we didnt buy back up cause we already had it. when we signed rooney we had ruud, saha, solksjear and ronaldo. maybe even forlan too...cant remember. we also had rossi. so thats a crap arguement

when we signed hernandez we had rooney berbatov, owen with welbeck and macheda also coming through.

simple maths........we only have 3 centre forwards. two of them are still very much potential
 
ben_foster said:
and if he doesnt are the other two capable of stepping up and replacing him with similar levels of performance and goals.

i would also like to reiterate the point that we dont have much by the way of options in changing a game. proven against wigan and against city
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We lost those games because our midfield was overrun and our forwards were left isolated. It was nothing to do with the forwards themselves not delivering. If we want 'options' for changing games it's the middle of the park we need to address in order to fashion the chances for our forwards to score, not by going and signing MORE forwards.

That's why we're signing Kagawa, to give us more creativity through the middle and to improve our link up play with the strikers and leave them less isolated, and to also leave us less reliant on our wingers, who we have been very OVER reliant on in recent times to fashion out chances. The times we've looked most devoid of scoring goals or creating chances are the times Nani, Valencia whomever haven't been at their best or have been doubled up on.

Our forward line is not the problem when it comes to changing games or carving out chances, that's for sure
 
Cina said:
We lost those games because our midfield was overrun and our forwards were left isolated. It was nothing to do with the forwards themselves not delivering. If we want 'options' for changing games it's the middle of the park we need to address in order to fashion the chances for our forwards to score, not by going and signing MORE forwards.

That's why we're signing Kagawa, to give us more creativity through the middle and to improve our link up play with the strikers and leave them less isolated, and to also leave us less reliant on our wingers, who we have been very OVER reliant on in recent times to fashion out chances. The times we've looked most devoid of scoring goals or creating chances are the times Nani, Valencia whomever haven't been at their best or have been doubled up on.

Our forward line is not the problem when it comes to changing games or carving out chances, that's for sure
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it would be if rooney was out for any period of time, thats for sure.

do you think 3 centre forwards, 1 established and 2 developing is enough???
 
ben_foster said:
we didnt buy back up cause we already had it. when we signed rooney we had ruud, saha, solksjear and ronaldo. maybe even forlan too...cant remember. we also had rossi. so thats a crap arguement

when we signed hernandez we had rooney berbatov, owen with welbeck and macheda also coming through.

simple maths........we only have 3 centre forwards. two of them are still very much potential
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If Ronaldo is added as a striker then so can Young. Which make our forward line well stocked (Rooney, Welbeck, Chicarito, Macheda and Young). However I believe that we'll change the system to a 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa playing at the lone striker's back. Under such circumstances we've got enough fire power up front (Welbeck-12 goals, Chicarito-12 goals, Rooney 35 goals)
 
ben_foster said:
My proposal that we need 4 forwards has been met with such opposition yet not one person has confirmed that they believe that our 3 centre forwards are better than those we had in 1999, 2007 or better or equal too city, madrid etc etc if that was even debatable (its not) then I could understand the strong opposition. For the record, those teams also had some pretty decent wingers and attacking midfielders. Pogue has pointed out that we scored 7 against wigan and blackburn all season this year. Comapre that to the totals of simlar sides in 1999 and 2007. id guess that we got closer to double that. Would that have been enough for us to win the league this year?

I also keep hearing how welbeck and hernandez are improving. Don’t think city and chelsea wont!
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. We need fantastic footballers who can adapt to Fergie's management style, and getting Kagawa is a good start. There's no magical rule that clubs have to have four famous strikers. Having more attacking players whether wingers, AMs, or whatever was a priority that has in the past two summers been filled quite adequately through Young and Kagawa.
 
ben_foster said:
it would be if rooney was out for any period of time, thats for sure.

do you think 3 centre forwards, 1 established and 2 developing is enough???
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Welbeck and Hernandez are big time players. They're not developing in the same sense as Macheda is. They've already shown they can unlock top opponents over the past 24 months.
 
Raoul said:
Both Welbeck and Hernandez are still developing aspects of their game. They will become more complete players in time.
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...unless the club brings in more players over and above them. Rams home the point in my opinion.

Hernandez suffered second season syndrome and Welbeck still has a long way to go before if he's going to fulfill that potential - but both will need games.
 
gambit28 said:
With Will Keanes injury I'm wondering if we'll move forward the plans to bring Henriquez over.
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Was thinking that myself I suppose it depends on whether we prefer to get him over early and get him playing the United way or prefer to let him get more experience at the high level he's already playing at. There are a lot of plus points to be made for either option really
 
ben_foster said:
RedRover said:
You're right - he plays behind a striker. If that's the case, and we sign another forward - for significant money (as with Llorente as previously suggested), where does Rooney fit in? And if said player comes off the bench, where do Hernandez and Welbeck fit in?

You seem to be missing the issue that by playing one forward up top - you can't keep three other players in that position getting regular game time. Even playing two up top at times this year Berbatov has hardly featured.

Rooney will expect to play in the vast majority of games, so any other striker will be joining to warm the bench. Maybe a young player with potential may be brought in, but an established forward simply simpky won't accept that.[/QUOTE]

and if he doesnt are the other two capable of stepping up and replacing him with similar levels of performance and goals.

i would also like to reiterate the point that we dont have much by the way of options in changing a game. proven against wigan and against city
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So you suggest the club sepnds millions on a player to play in case Rooney is injured long term? What if that player get's injured then?

It's total pie in the sky to suggest that the club can bring in a player on millions a year just in case Wayne Rooney gets injured, especially when he's consistently played games for season after season.

Your argument is based on a massive "what if" - and even if that does happen other players will have to step up.

In an ideal world every club would no doubt like to have two or three top class players for every position, but it just isn't realistic.

If Welbeck and Hernandez were very young kids without much experience I'd agree that we're light, but the fact is they're not - and they will expect regular games. Indeed both have done enough to warrent regular games. Welbeck could be leading the line for his Country at the Euro's and Hernandez is a regular for one of the better international sides.

The club therefore has to either:

1) risk losing them; or
2) give them the chance if and when the time comes.

To bring in a player who may, or indeed may not, be any better than either of those two would be a strange choice when we clearly lack strength in depth and quaility in other areas.
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RedRover said:
...unless the club brings in more players over and above them. Rams home the point in my opinion.

Hernandez suffered second season syndrome and Welbeck still has a long way to go before if he's going to fulfill that potential - but both will need games.
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I think people are severely underrating Welbeck and Hernandez. They're already top players, and its highly unlikely Fergie would thwart their development by bringing in yet another player. We simply don't need another striker when we have three very good ones who are all healthy. If Berba can't get many minutes over Welbeck and Chicharito, after having won the Golden Boot, then it just proves that Fergie is interested in developing both of them for long term careers at the club.
 
devilish said:
If Ronaldo is added as a striker then so can Young. Which make our forward line well stocked (Rooney, Welbeck, Chicarito, Macheda and Young). However I believe that we'll change the system to a 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa playing at the lone striker's back. Under such circumstances we've got enough fire power up front (Welbeck-12 goals, Chicarito-12 goals, Rooney 35 goals)
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fine add young. ronaldo is fecking miles better so the point remains.

my point is simply this........i think we need 4 strikers. the reason being:-

in 1999 we could loose to injury/suspension or rest and of our forwards and still have 3 qaulity forwards capable of 20 goals and varying syles.

in 2007 we could loose to injury/suspension or rest and of our forwards and still have 3 qaulity forwards capable of 20 goals and varying syles. (we even rested / substituted rooney.

last season city lost tevez for 6 months and won the league by outscoring us.

if we lost rooney for any period of time next season, with the current squad, would you be confident in us competing?? i wouldnt. thats no critism of any of our players but a succesful side will play 60 games and i think that requires more than 3 centre forwards
 
devilish said:
If Ronaldo is added as a striker then so can Young. Which make our forward line well stocked (Rooney, Welbeck, Chicarito, Macheda and Young). However I believe that we'll change the system to a 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa playing at the lone striker's back. Under such circumstances we've got enough fire power up front (Welbeck-12 goals, Chicarito-12 goals, Rooney 35 goals)
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we didnt have enough fire power. your saying that its our midfield that didnt create, somebody else is saying we created shit loads and welbeck was very wastefull.

we didnt have enough fire power......thats not an opinion its a fact!!!
 
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