Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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You're an absolute insight into the mind of an internet warrior, thank you.
No, I don't expect her mom to - upon discovering her daughter had been raped - to calmly call into Larry King and discuss the benefits of leveraging the press. I expect her to call the f*cking police. If, on the other hand, her mom had been told her daughter had left because the environment in the office made it to uncomfortable to work there - and again that is the original allegation - this call would make perfect sense. Hence, my opinion - Occam's Razor.
The choice in November is between the democratically chosen candidate Joe Biden, and President Donald Trump. For some strange reason, certain segments of the left-leaning populace are trying to equate the two, on any number of spectra.
I'm adamant that the US get Trump out of office. As far as I can tell, there is one way to do that.
You, on the other hand, appear to be so dissatisfied with the process that produced candidate Biden that you want to call him a rapist, dismiss countless positive character references to the contrary, and equate him to the factually worst President in history, because - I assume - you'd prefer a different candidate.
If Reade's allegations are investigated (they have been) and her story becomes consistent and verifiable (it hasn't yet) then great - the democrats get a second chance to nominate someone. I'd like Warren, personally. That would be wonderful. I'm all for it. But that doesn't mean I'm going to accuse Joe Biden of rape because it suits me. Maybe I'm just too old fashioned.
her brother's corroboration of the story includes the detail that their mother was pissed off and wanted her to go to the police but keep doing rape apology dude, real responsible of you lets beat the cheeto this surely will go away the more we look at the details!
This brother? "Reade's brother has also publicly stated that she had told him about it,[3] initially saying that Reade told him that Biden had touched her neck and shoulders, but several days later he told The Washington Post that he also remembered that she had said that Biden had reached "under her clothes."
Again, Occam's Razor. What is more likely, your sister tells you that a Senator assaulted you, but you forget that part of the story, then 'come up with it' a few days later?
Do you acknowledge in anyway how her story is at least worthy of critical thought, given the very, very clear issues with it?
even if you want to assume the absolute best of joe biden, the absolute best and assume all he does he touch women because he's a creep, that's your best case scenario and we're ignoring how ptsd works and how victims of sexual assault don't want to talk about it and don't want to keep reliving it, it's disqualifying, why would you vote for someone you believe touches women like that
"uh, he harasses, actually" isn't good, it's a bad thing and should not be rewarded
maybe i'm not old fashioned, but sexual harassment is bad guys
Ultimately, this will require more corroboration and less inconsistency for it to get more mainstream airtime imo. Specifically, the three people in Biden's office at the time who she allegedly complained to - all three have said they heard nothing or don't even remember this person. She also apparently filed a written complaint, but for some reason can't come up with a copy to show any of the journalists. If any of these things happened, the story would be considered far more credible in mainstream circles and less so a politically motivated ploy from both the left and right (and with a healthy dose of daily amplification by Russian bots).
there definitely won't be wall to wall coverage of joe bidens scandals on the lib media from the 21st of august, absolutely no one can foresee this
Thanks.
Then you're naive. I don't disagree or agree with the rest of what you've said, I need to read up on the allegations. But that mindset I've bolded is a really naive one and shows a lack of understanding of sexual assault and and justice.
Must be some troll/bot account surely?
Yeah.
The account has 8 tweets, almost all of which are anti-Democrat and pro-Trump. There's even a bit of anti-Obama homophobia thrown in for good measure.
https://twitter.com/JoeBlac35543414
That could be a: a national conspiracy organised by a cabal of deep state operatives who control everything from a basement somewhere
b: simple game theory
On b: there are essentially 3 outcomes to Reade's accusation, and thus three situations the group could find itself in:
1. It's true, she was sexually assaulted and it's proven/confirmed
2. Nothing further comes to light, we remain in the murky territory of corroboration of the harassment claims, limited on the assault
3. Something comes to light that disproves Reade's allegation
For the groups, they can either respond or not. Then I think it games out like this:
Respond and 1: Fine, they've done the right thing
Respond and 2 or 3: Their response WILL be used as support and corroboration of Reade's allegation, even though it obviously lends it no new evidence. That is how the media works.
So in two of the three scenarios, their response will have a material impact on things.
Or.
Don't respond and 1: They get articles like the above written, but that's it.
Don't respond and 2 or 3: They've prudently waited without publically saying anything and can choose to move forward with more evidence
game theory is when you blatantly ignore credible allegations because it's the guy on team a not team b
When trying to decide which of the 3 above outcomes is most likely, I like to use Occum’s Razor and go from there.
one difference between biden and trump supporters is that biden supporters need to see themselves as the moral good guys, while maga ignore that totally.
Ditto, given evidence to date, what would that be?
Ugh. Disgusting.
Believe women Joe Biden
Eh. Keep the same energy displayed earlier in this thread regarding sexual assault allegations.
Looking at the evidence, I would say that you use the term “Occum’s Razor” too often in your posts, which will cause someone like me to sarcastically point it out while also trying to act like I give a damn!
For the record, I can’t stand Biden or Trump, and I believe that each rape accuser deserves to be heard without dismissing them prematurely based on personal assumptions/beliefs.
I find it hard to believe that you can flippantly decide what you would/wouldn’t do if you were Tara’s mother in 1993!
The centristbrain is strong with this one.
Sigh, had thought you were engaging genuinely, keep forgetting this is the internet.
To your point, I'm clearly not using it enough - it's Occam's.
Am done, I look forward to happily admitting I was wrong once the investigation is complete.
It's the Biden equivalent of Qanon
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...egations-Match-Scene-from-Dead-Father-s-Novel
Not exactly a match but I'm guessing this will do the rounds and downplay her allegations. What a mess this all is. Sounds like WaPo has called on Biden to address this? He's got to at some point.
Not exactly a match but I'm guessing this will do the rounds and downplay her allegations. What a mess this all is. Sounds like WaPo has called on Biden to address this? He's got to at some point.
Btw you keep trying to do this whole both sides thing but you just keep posting rubbish from random websites.
From the link you posted
This isn't a journalist but some random wine mom. And it's borderline Qanon stuff.
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Nope. I am after both sides of the story. And I agree on your concern about the quote. No need for it.
Just seeing he will be asked about Reade on Morning Joe tomorrow. Let's see if he can actually answer this time.
I have no doubt you are but so far you've posted this nonsense qanaon type story and an article from the krassenstein brothers. How is this any different to republicans posting info wars links when responding to allegations made against Trump ? In their minds they are also looking for both sides of the story.
Thanks for dialing back what you said earlier about "keep posting". In the two articles, as far as I can tell the content is accurate, even though I don't like the sources just as much as you do. I'd add the Russia tweet above about her talking with a Russian accent is hilarious. That one is Q worthy.
Edit: content of the second article. My first thought was perhaps she told her dad and he used it in his book. Unfortunately some authors get far too personal in their writing!
Imo Ready story is a very common one, so a similar story being used in a book isn't that surprising.
Yep, especially as I said in my original post, not the exact match either.
dad's book said:
sexual assault accusation against Biden said:
I've highlighted the similar bits in green for the slows out there. The extent of the similarities extend only as far as both being a very basic description of the necessary steps in the common sexual act of fingering. The stuff in red is everything else that is entirely different, and furthermore provides completely different contexts, not least the issue of consent and the very different ways that the women respond to each sexual advance/assault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingering_(sexual_act) ("Digital penetration against a person's will is considered sexual assault")
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...egations-Match-Scene-from-Dead-Father-s-Novel
"Biden Accuser Reade's Allegations Match Scene from Dead Father's Novel."
"contains a scene, which bears uncanny similarity to her allegation against Joe Biden"
"It's real Y'all"
It's a load of nasty malicious bullshit.
The Russian bot stuff is fecking insane too.