Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

Wow his attorney is a scumbag.

But she's just defending her client as is her job.

Nah, scumbag. Your client is a serial rapist and is lucky it's only 23 years.
 
Will probably still run things from a cushy cell like a drug lord and be out in 3-4 years when no one speak about this anymore.

At least he’s not gonna rape anyone during that timeframe.
 
Will probably still run things from a cushy cell like a drug lord and be out in 3-4 years when no one speak about this anymore.

At least he’s not gonna rape anyone during that timeframe.

He has more trials pending, doesn't he? Doubt he'll be leaving prison any time soon.
 
Wow his attorney is a scumbag.

But she's just defending her client as is her job.

Nah, scumbag. Your client is a serial rapist and is lucky it's only 23 years.
I get that they need to be there for a fairer trial. It's the lengths they go to to get them off and win, rather than simply provide their side of the story, that makes them dirtbags.
 
I get that they need to be there for a fairer trial. It's the lengths they go to to get them off and win, rather than simply provide their side of the story, that makes them dirtbags.
Have to be honest, I've long had doubts about the adversarial style of courtroom justice.
 
Absolutely no remorse either.

This is from the Irish Times article (it's probably pay-walled):

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...rs-in-prison-in-sexual-assault-case-1.4199834

“I feel remorse for all of the men who are going through this fight,” Weinstein told the court before he was sentenced.

Weinstein said he was worried about “thousands of men” being denied due process in the #MeToo era. In a rambling statement, he said he was “confused” and that he believed he had had a “serious friendship” with Ms Mann and Ms Haleyi.
 
23 years .I'm shocked and pleased that someone with money did not for once get away lightly.
 
good enough for the cnut.

Feck you Weinstein and your legal team.

Imagine having the neck to ask for clemency due to his 'accomplishments'

I couldn’t believe the nerve of that.

“Go easy on me your honour, I’ve made billions from movies”.

Dickheads.
 
In case you haven't heard about the trove of documents released by the court today.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ns-rage-laid-bare-in-unsealed-court-documents

Bob Weinstein said:
U deserve a lifetime achievement award for the sheer savagery and immorality and inhumanness, for the acts u have perpetrated. Oh I forgot. They were all consensual. Then what are u in rehab for? Sex addiction. Don’t think so. You wouldn’t have harassment, assault and rape charges u have now received, from 82 women for active consensual sex.
 
It is clear that the hypocrisy exists and is utterly shameful, whether they remove it from their bios or not.

There's really no denying it.
 
The reason we say 'believe victims' is to ensure that rape cases get the attention they deserve from the legal system. The conviction rate is so woefully low that this is the only way to get things are taken seriously.

But nobody should lose sight of the fact that the movement a corrective measure against institutionalised biases. It doesn't follow that every accused individual is guilty. This is not zero-sum situation. It's possible to give both parties the benefit of the doubt until the facts are clarified and the case is tried in a courtroom. To call Biden a rapist as a default reaction is stupid. Just as it's stupid to ignore Reade's claims without giving them due attention.

The problem with weaponising #metoo is that it does a disservice the movement itself. The point of it is to address the imbalances of the judicial system in order to produce fair outcomes. When you dismiss a victim report out-of-hand, that's potentially an injustice. But when you declare guilt without proving your case, that's equally so.

Those who think that #metoo gives them a right to call Biden a 'rapist' are only creating new systemic biases. It's trying curing a cancer with a different cancer.
 
Discussion of the accusations against Biden are fair game but can we call them what they are - accusations of sexual assault. And not just say rapist please?
 
The reason we say 'believe victims' is to ensure that rape cases get the attention they deserve from the legal system. The conviction rate is so woefully low that this is the only way to get things are taken seriously.

But nobody should lose sight of the fact that the movement a corrective measure against institutionalised biases. It doesn't follow that every accused individual is guilty. This is not zero-sum situation. It's possible to give both parties the benefit of the doubt until the facts are clarified and the case is tried in a courtroom. To call Biden a rapist as a default reaction is stupid. Just as it's stupid to ignore Reade's claims without giving them due attention.

The problem with weaponising #metoo is that it does a disservice the movement itself. The point of it is to address the imbalances of the judicial system in order to produce fair outcomes. When you dismiss a victim report out-of-hand, that's potentially an injustice. But when you declare guilt without proving your case, that's equally so.

Those who think that #metoo gives them a right to call Biden a 'rapist' are only creating new systemic biases. It's trying curing a cancer with a different cancer.
how can we claim to believe victims when when both major political parties are rallying behind two openly creepy pervs who are credibly accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault?

they haven't even made the nominations yet, they're still going with this, the overwhelming majority of voters of people are okay with these guys despite these credible clams. so i'm not going to worry too much about giving joe biden, former vice president of the united states, current dementia* victim, too hard of a time

*not a doctor
 
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The reason we say 'believe victims' is to ensure that rape cases get the attention they deserve from the legal system. The conviction rate is so woefully low that this is the only way to get things are taken seriously.

But nobody should lose sight of the fact that the movement a corrective measure against institutionalised biases. It doesn't follow that every accused individual is guilty. This is not zero-sum situation. It's possible to give both parties the benefit of the doubt until the facts are clarified and the case is tried in a courtroom. To call Biden a rapist as a default reaction is stupid. Just as it's stupid to ignore Reade's claims without giving them due attention.

The problem with weaponising #metoo is that it does a disservice the movement itself. The point of it is to address the imbalances of the judicial system in order to produce fair outcomes. When you dismiss a victim report out-of-hand, that's potentially an injustice. But when you declare guilt without proving your case, that's equally so.

Those who think that #metoo gives them a right to call Biden a 'rapist' are only creating new systemic biases. It's trying curing a cancer with a different cancer.
This is exactly how I feel, and further the big risk to positive social change is those that abuse it - this just gives ammo to forces reliant on the institutionalized positions to begin with.
 
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the biden circlejerk on reddit, this is the same subreddit that regularly upvoted accusations against Trump to their front page
 
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the biden circlejerk on reddit, this is the same subreddit that regularly upvoted accusations against Trump to their front page
Not wanting to force you to engage your own brain, but did you watch the video? I did. Everyone should go watch it themselves - it's about a minute long. It directly confirms Reade's story from last year (about feeling harassed, not assulated). Her mother points out that Reade left a prominent Senator's office staff after being made to feel uncomfortable, and didn't want to go to the press with it out of respect for the Senator.

Now, again, maybe you don't have kids. But if my daughter told me that her boss had raped her in an office, and I called into Larry King, that call is not how I would sound.

Also, good insight into sources there - note which ones choose to use the word assault. Literally at no point in that clip is the word mentioned or alluded to, or suggested in anyway. It's almost like you can tell which ones are shills for Trump.
 
Not wanting to force you to engage your own brain, but did you watch the video? I did. Everyone should go watch it themselves - it's about a minute long. It directly confirms Reade's story from last year (about feeling harassed, not assulated). Her mother points out that Reade left a prominent Senator's office staff after being made to feel uncomfortable, and didn't want to go to the press with it out of respect for the Senator.

Now, again, maybe you don't have kids. But if my daughter told me that her boss had raped her in an office, and I called into Larry King, that call is not how I would sound.

Also, good insight into sources there - note which ones choose to use the word assault. Literally at no point in that clip is the word mentioned or alluded to, or suggested in anyway. It's almost like you can tell which ones are shills for Trump.
dude stop it, just stop this shit, do you really expect her mother, in 1993, on CNN, to have gone into absolute details? tara went through a very trauamatic event with joe biden and it's really awful what you're doing to her, especially when you post things like this without understand why it was bad

I find his handling of the Anita Hill case obviously terrible - and he does too now.


also why do you think this defence is good? why are so adamant to vote for someone you believe to have sexually harassed others? have you no shame? is sexual harassment not disqualifying for the presidency?