Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

The hypocricy of the people now siding with Biden by default is hilarious.

Who would have thought that rich old white men with a (D) behind their name can also be sex offenders.

The bummer for Biden is that some of his potential voters might actually not vote for a rapist whereas Trump's voters think rape is a good way to assert our rightful male dominance.
 
This discussion is difficult to follow in both threads. I thought it was quite well stated this morning on Morning Joe. Take the allegation seriously, then investigate. It's sounds like Gilllibrand thinks the investigation is over, which is bizarre.
 
Alyssa Milano, the woman who started this whole MeToo movement, is suddenly a fan of due process when the allegations against Biden came out.

Meanwhile Asia Argento, another leader of the MeToo movement, slept with someone underaged and then paid for his silence.

Perhaps this movement needs better leaders if it wants to be taken seriously.
 
KirkDuyt said:
The bummer for Biden is that some of his potential voters might actually not vote for a rapist whereas Trump's voters think rape is a good way to assert our rightful male dominance.
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This is just delusional. Do you seriously think that republicans believe rape is a good thing? Is this seriously something that you believe?

But yes, beyond your hyperbole, there is some truth in your claim. Republicans are less likely than democrats to automatically believe rape accusations. Therefore rape allegations hurt Trump less than they hurt Biden.
 
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This is just delusional. Do you seriously think that republicans believe rape is a good thing? Is this seriously something that you believe?

But yes, beyond your hyperbole, there is some truth in your claim. Republicans are less likely than democrats to automatically believe rape accusations. Therefore rape allegations hurt Trump less than they hurt Biden.
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Have you seen some of his supporters? Wouldnt really put it past them. Unless the victim is white of course.

Mostly, it was hyperbole, but fact remains, this will hurt him even though Trump has raped most women he met.

Sorry, I cant help myself.
 
If we're talking about Republican politicians, their wives often seem the type of people who'd hold the victim down for their husbands.
 
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Why does it matter?
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In the grand scheme of things it doesn't but politicizing terrible events like this is just poor form. I'm not saying that her motivations are driven by anything other than seeking justice but that is why I ask the question.
 
RedPed said:
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't but politicizing terrible events like this is just poor form. I'm not saying that her motivations are driven by anything other than seeking justice but that is why I ask the question.
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Perhaps the wave of support for him and seeing him become the nominee was just too much for her. Who knows.

But “why now” is a question often asked in an attempt to dismiss allegations.

I’ve no idea how credible the allegation is, but it being a long time ago doesn’t matter at all.
 
Rado_N said:
Perhaps the wave of support for him and seeing him become the nominee was just too much for her. Who knows.

But “why now” is a question often asked in an attempt to dismiss allegations.

I’ve no idea how credible the allegation is, but it being a long time ago doesn’t matter at all.
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Nobody is dismissing allegations but they have a right to be objective. Joe Biden has always been a popular figure and was VP for 8 years. He's been in the public eye substantially during the presidential candidacy run. There were also attempts to paint him as a bit of a letch during that time.

Having been the victim of a false allegation myself because I snubbed a co-worker, perhaps I have a different perspective on things.

People are always too quick to jump on the bandwagon and imply that someone is sexist, misogynistic etc., etc., call it what you like just because they ask questions in situations like this. I'm not saying she is lying or dismissing her allegations at all. I think my question is a legitimate one.
 
Poor defenseless Joe Biden. He's one of the good guys in this storyline, how dare someone try and tarnish his image or legacy? :mad:
 
Rado_N said:
Perhaps the wave of support for him and seeing him become the nominee was just too much for her. Who knows.

But “why now” is a question often asked in an attempt to dismiss allegations.

I’ve no idea how credible the allegation is, but it being a long time ago doesn’t matter at all.
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He has been a popular VP though. Hardly an anonymous person.
 
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You're taking that tweet out of context, which has been explained here.


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I don't see how that changes the context other than it excludes the idea that she and Grim worked together. She believed she'd be represented by Times Up and would be coming forward soon. Ultimately, how she came forward changed, but she still brought her story to the public once it was a two horse race. The tweet, in context, was late on Super Tuesday when it was clear that it would be a Biden-Bernie race.

Grim is defending himself from an idiot who thinks he and Reade colluded to cook up the story, which is nuts. It doesn't change the context of when she came forward publicly.
 
RedPed said:
Why has this woman come forward now?
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Why not.
Her perpetrator's growing prominence has dredged up a painful experience that was never afforded closure.
She hasn't. She had already spoken out prior about less severe unpleasant behaviour by Biden.
Some other reason.

All acceptable answers.
 
dumbo said:
Why not.
Her perpetrator's growing prominence has dredged up a painful experience that was never afforded closure.
She hasn't. She had already spoken out prior about less severe unpleasant behaviour by Biden.
Some other reason.

All acceptable answers.
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Come on now really?
 
dumbo said:
Are you denying that his stature has grown now he us front runner for the Dems in a forthcoming election, on TV every day? Or are you denying that a victim might feel increased anxiety/pain/suffering by having this daily visual reminder?

Yes really.
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For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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So, just to be clear, if you’re not trying to dismiss the allegation. Exactly what IS your point in all this?
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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it's not a switch that clicks on or clicks off with this or that threshold, Kavanaugh was a prominent Judge before being nominated to the supreme court, Trump was on TV for decades before being nominated in 2016, Clinton was elected president before his victims came forward

and events that would be triggering at one point in your life may not be triggering at other points in your life, there's really no point in looking for any kind of consistent or convenient behaviour stemming from trauma
 
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RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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You do realize how racist this comes across as, right? Besides the fact that you think associating yourself with a black man automatically absolves you of any wrongdoings. It isn’t hard to see why liberals don’t care about such issues but are obsessed with coming across as they do.
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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:lol: slurs


Jesus christ
 
entropy said:
You do realize how racist this comes across as, right? Besides the fact that you think associating yourself with a black man automatically absolves you of any wrongdoings. It isn’t hard to see why liberals don’t care about such issues but are obsessed with coming across as they do.
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So you're saying that Obama becoming president was not a big deal in 2008?? Who the hell said anything about being blameless just because you're associating with a black man? I was just highlighting the fact that Biden would have been well in the public eye as VP.
 
RedPed said:
So you're saying that Obama becoming president was not a big deal in 2008?? Who the hell said anything about being blameless just because you're associating with a black man? I was just highlighting the fact that Biden would have been well in the public eye as VP.
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Is that what we are discussing here? Whether or not Obama getting elected was monumental or not?
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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I think you need to chill out, my dude. Victims come forth when they're ready, or when they feel that they can't stay silent about it anymore. When that time comes differs from person to person, and there's no point trying to use the timing of it as an argument for or against the accused or the accuser.

She has explained that during Biden's VP years, she was a single mom with a teenage daughter who she didn't want to put through, well, all of the shit that's happening now.
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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So on the one hand you ask:

Why has she come forward now?

which in the context of the current scrutiny, the blunt, pointed, one line nature of your question reads to me as an insinuation that her timing might be opportunistic, suspicious or unusual in some way.

And yet on the other you appear to cast doubt on the idea that now is a particularly prominent moment for Biden. In which case the question of why she has come forward now seems even more glaringly slow witted. What is so questionable about this moment then?

I gave you a number of possible and understandable reasons why 'now'. I can't understand why you are getting so het up about this. I have never claimed that these are the true reasons or that I understand another's motivation. I personally don't think there needs to be an explained reason for such an accusation to be taken seriously.
 
dumbo said:
So on the one hand you ask:

Why has she come forward now?

which in the context of the current scrutiny, the blunt, pointed, one line nature of your question reads to me as an insinuation that her timing might be opportunistic, suspicious or unusual in some way.

And yet on the other you appear to cast doubt on the idea that now is a particularly prominent moment for Biden. In which case the question of why she has come forward now seems even more glaringly slow witted. What is so questionable about this moment then?

I gave you a number of possible and understandable reasons why 'now'. I can't understand why you are getting so het up about this. I have never claimed that these are the true reasons or that I understand another's motivation. I personally don't think there needs to be an explained reason for such an accusation to be taken seriously.
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Just to clarify so that we're clear. I've never said anything about not taking Reade's allegations seriously. And if Biden is guilty of what she's saying, the truth will out, he'll suffer the consequences and serve him right. But just because a woman makes an accusation from over 25 years ago, it doesn't make it true though her claims must be viewed as credible until proven otherwise.

I'm not getting heated up about it. I'm not defending Biden at all or questioning the validity of her claims. People just love to jump on things like this whenever an objective viewpoint is made. Her timing may well be opportunistic, suspicious or whatever, I don't know, you don't know. It's not beyond the realms of impossibility. But yes, it's her absolute right to speak out at whatever time she feels it is right.

The Presidential debates will be very interesting considering Trump has over 20 claims of sexual assault made against him and this is Biden's first serious one, I believe
 
RedPed said:
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.

Get a fecking grip.
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I guarantee that there is a load of people in the world that know who Trump is but have no clue who is his VP. Same applies for when Obama was president.
 
As with the Kavanaugh woman Im inclined to give the woman the benefit of the doubt.

I dont think it's weird to call both into a bit of question though, but only if you do it in all cases, not just the one were you plan to vote for the accused. Lord knows mankind is not morally above fabricating these kind of things.

That being said, Biden looks like a creepy fecker. As did Kavanaugh.
 
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