That sounds like an awful deal. Especially since he is still useful.
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That sounds like an awful deal. Especially since he is still useful.
Austerity continuing at full pace.
We are paying almost the full whack for him to play for Flamengo? Sigh...
And here we thought we'd get 30m for him from Saudi.
And here we thought we'd get 30m for him from Saudi.
Where is the austerity if we are paying the salary?
In the fact we are paying him to play elsewhere just to save a few pennies? It’s not like we’re moving him out to make room for a new signing is it?
What is the point of loaning him if we pay his salary? Do we have that many options in midfield?
Useless deal... what's even the point?
Saudi had to make some crazy deals, to establish themselves. Not anymore. They wont sign dross. Rashford has a brand and an appeal, not Casemiro. He was in the madrid team yes, but so were Cris, Benzema, Bale, Modric and so on. This is the best we can get, either Brasil or MLS. But i dont think he will go there (maybe Brasil, being home).
Seems like we don't want him to train or sit on the bench with the first team. We rather pay full salary for him to play for someone else. Bit weird, but then this is Manchester United. It par for the course for this club.
To save money. Hence the austerity comment.
We desperately need to get rid of him in the summer. Transfer fee can be almost non-existent, so long as we clear his salary from the budget.
Where is the saving if we are covering the wages?
It said most of the salary. Not all.
If you want to create a market for a player they need to play. He isn't going to play here, its about trying to save money for next season
The 5k/wk saving is going to come in handy the next time we go sign a player!
We don't actually have any midfield depth. Amo doesn't like Eriksen & Mainoo in the two, which leaves us just Bruno, Collyer and Ugarte for the two central midfield positions. We'll have a lot of games the rest of the season if we continue progressing in the cup competitions. One or two injuries between those three and we'd be looking at a crisis. Yes, Mainoo can move back from playing as a #10 to central midfield but that would leave us short of #10's. It'd bit of a risky and pointless move without much benefit. Not sure what market would we be creating for him by paying him to play for Flamengo.
I don't think the club will sanction such a deal, if Cas wants to leave, he'll have to accept lower wages at Flamengo, and Flamengo should pay a fee.
Gone are the days where the club pays for player's wages when on loan, see Antony (84%) & Rashford (75%) (of course with the exception of developmental loans to young players).
Gone are the days where the club pays for player's wages when on loan, see Antony (84%) & Rashford (75%) (of course with the exception of developmental loans to young players).
It’s probably bullshit. Maybe pushed by Casemiros entourage as he is the only gain in this and certainly not the club.
It’s a tough one as the links to Saudi are nonsense so any deal either on loan or permanently is going to involve Utd covering or paying off a lot of his salary.
There is no scenario where he leaves on good financial terms and it’s unlikely he contribute a lot on the pitch either.
There is no scenario where he leaves on good financial terms and it’s unlikely he contribute a lot on the pitch either.
These loans where we cover part or most of the salary are just a way of getting them one foot out the door. We’re going to end up paying his salary to not even play for us anyway.
Only way I can see this happening is if there is a mutual agreement to terminate the contract this summer
I know he is in huge decline and shit BUT he still can be useful.
We are still in 3 competitions and we will pay him to play elsewhere. No sense at all.
We are still in 3 competitions and we will pay him to play elsewhere. No sense at all.
We are a Ugarte injury away from needing him. I don’t see the point of getting rid if we are still covering most of his salary
How long would that loan be? Flamengo is in the Club World Cup where they will earn at least $50m. If they want him for that, they should pay a substantial portion of his wages.
A bit surprised he has not featured more under Amorim since the Newcastle match. If paired next to Ugarte, he might actually solidify the middle a bit and also provide a bit more of an attacking impetus.
We're badly lacking creativity and goals as it is, adding another defensive player won't help
To be fair I'd say Casemiro does add a decent amount of creativity in his passing and definitely a goal threat.
I think Amorim just got a bit scarred by that Newcastle match.
Casemiro is actually a decent goal threat and is also a more expansive passer than Mainoo (albeit the accuracy of those passes can be a bit hit-and-miss).
I wouldn't want to see him playing next to Eriksen or Bruno, but next to Ugarte, Collyer or probably Mainoo he could still be a decent option. Might also make it easier to play attacking players in both wingback roles (Amad and Dorgu?).
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It seems like we think Collyer is a better backup than Casemiro at this point. The only thing he has going for him is his height and set piece ability.
I’d say his passing is better than Collyer and Ugarte from what I’ve seen. But Collyer has a good engine on him.
As others mentioned, Casemiro is actually quite creative especially if you compare to someone like Mainoo. As an added advantage, he is really useful in both boxes. I wouldn’t pair him next to Eriksen or even Mainoo, but next to Ugarte he can do a decent job.
I’d agree with that
We might be covering most of the salary if he goes but if he plays regularly and plays well then we might get a fee for him from other clubs.
It also demonstrates further we don’t want him at the club and there’s no future for him.
We’ve had Maguire hang on for a season or two and not be first choice and forced his way back into the team, let’s not have the same thing with Casemiro.
It also demonstrates further we don’t want him at the club and there’s no future for him.
We’ve had Maguire hang on for a season or two and not be first choice and forced his way back into the team, let’s not have the same thing with Casemiro.
I like Casemiro and think he still has something to offer.
However, we can't have players sat on the bench earning double, triple, quadruple what the starters are on. Getting him (and Rashford) out the door is the right decision
However, we can't have players sat on the bench earning double, triple, quadruple what the starters are on. Getting him (and Rashford) out the door is the right decision
Careful gents, you're going to make his wife pull out the trophy collection again and this time it will be a montage of the highlights of his CL final games along to a dub step mix.
There I was hoping he'd age like Thiago Silva. I am still hopeful we can get him off our books this summer.
It also sends a clear message to the player he isn't wanted.
Hopefully that's not true. As it would be another poor deal that doesn't send a good message of any improved negotiation skills.
We keep going on about not making the same mistakes as the past, yet we continue to pretty much give players away - either permanently with low fees, or on loan without being able to negotiate a loan fee like most clubs can, and even contributing to the wages so rather than receive any fee we end up still paying for a player to play for another club.
If we were selling him for a transfer fee, or getting a loan fee, I'd say take it as this point. But if we're just going to pretty much be paying for him to play for another club, then we should keep him until the summer and make a decision then. As there's still the opportunity for him to contribute between then and now - especially if we get an injury to a DM like Ugarte or Collyer.
We keep going on about not making the same mistakes as the past, yet we continue to pretty much give players away - either permanently with low fees, or on loan without being able to negotiate a loan fee like most clubs can, and even contributing to the wages so rather than receive any fee we end up still paying for a player to play for another club.
If we were selling him for a transfer fee, or getting a loan fee, I'd say take it as this point. But if we're just going to pretty much be paying for him to play for another club, then we should keep him until the summer and make a decision then. As there's still the opportunity for him to contribute between then and now - especially if we get an injury to a DM like Ugarte or Collyer.
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But then if he goes somewhere and plays well, wouldn't he be more sellable in the summer? Same goes for Antony whose had 2 man of the match performances so far for Betis.. If he carries on like that, then the chances Betis or another team taking him permenantly in the summer would increase you'd think.
Possibly.
But wouldn't Casemiro have one year left on his deal then, and be 33 years old? We wouldn't get much for him - probably not as much as paying wages for the next three months to play for another team. We might as well keep him as a squad player for that time - and be the ones benefiting from paying his wages - and look to offload in the summer even if it's on a free. As I said, I can't see us negotiating much of a transfer fee then - no matter how well a loan did back in the Brazilian league.
If we got a loan fee - or full wages covered for the rest of the season - that's a different thing. But as it is I think the reality would probably be us paying him to play for another club for the rest of the season before negotiating a mutual release or free transfer deal in the summer - or another loan for his final year with us again covering most of the wages.
I agree with you.. It's less than an ideal situation. I just don't think Amorim fancies him, having played him in his first game against Ipswich where it didn't go well and again against Newcastle which was even worse than against Ipswich.. I think the club really wanted him out in January to relieve some of the 350k a week wage (1.5m a month) and are gutted he didn't negotiate an exit so they're stuck with him now and hence freezing him out.