Canadian Politics

It will be interesting to see where this will land btw:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891

A federal judge ruled that the invocation of the Emergencies Act was unreasonable - but of course the retired judge leading the official inquiry had previously cautiously declared that the situation did meet the Act's requirements. The government will challenge the new ruling so I suppose this will go up until the Supreme Court, and it will still take a while before there's a real outcome. But if the invocation was indeed unjustified, it should probably have consequences for the sitting government.
 
CBC doing their part, but there has to be a lot more from the other media. Poilièvre needs to answer serious questions as this looks to be a serious and legitimate case of foreign interference into Canadian politics.



Those IDU fecks, man.
 


Well, it was a long time coming. Pierre Poilièvre has been kicked out of the House of Commons for unparliamentary behavior today, but I regret that Greg Fergus - the Speaker did not lay down the law a lot earlier. If John Bercow was our Speaker, I'm sure he would have tore Poilièvre a new one with something near this classic.

John Bercow said:
Behave like an adult. And if you can't, if it's beyond you, leave the chamber, get out, we'll manage without you.
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However, the worst in all of this is that Poilièvre's supporters will view this as a new normal when it should not and never be so. How do you expect any form of respect towards politicians now?

Also I don't need to say that Poilièvre has been rightfully called out for hanging out with white/anti-LGBTQ supremacists from Diagolon and then coming out seemingly stoned out of those people's trailer just a few days ago. He has refused to apologize for such poor judgment.
 
Cheimoon said:
Well then:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fi...land-resigns-from-trudeau-s-cabinet-1.7411380

Pretty feisty letter from Freeland:



She's really taking the fight to Trudeau there. With the Liberals already in deep trouble in the polls, it sounds to me like she has now effectively joined the Liberals who are asking for a leadership change - and obviously positioning herself for it.
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What is your take in the 2025 elections? Will Trudeau step aside? if not do you think poilievre is favourite?
 
Yeah, a Conservative win is pretty much a given, the question is rather whether it will be a minority of majority win. I've read it claimed that a narrow majority is basically the absolute ceiling the Conservatives can achieve, but I don't know how a total Liberal implosion might affect that.

But then again, this might also be the start of a Liberal resurrection (of sorts). Or at least, I'm reading this situation as Freeland criticizing Trudeau and distancing herself from him with rhetoric that would appeal to potential Conservative voters (fiscal restraint) - all in order to help efforts to ditch Trudeau and put herself (or someone she'd support) in his position. If that works out, the Liberals' drop might be stalled (since it's strongly tied to the figure of Trudeau), and that Conservative majority would get much harder.

But there are so many variables in play (especially also the NDP) that it's hard to predict anything right now - outside the near-certainty of a Conservative win one way or another.
 
Cheimoon said:
Yeah, a Conservative win is pretty much a given, the question is rather whether it will be a minority of majority win. I've read it claimed that a narrow majority is basically the absolute ceiling the Conservatives can achieve, but I don't know how a total Liberal implosion might affect that.

But then again, this might also be the start of a Liberal resurrection (of sorts). Or at least, I'm reading this situation as Freeland criticizing Trudeau and distancing herself from him with rhetoric that would appeal to potential Conservative voters (fiscal restraint) - all in order to help efforts to ditch Trudeau and put herself (or someone she'd support) in his position. If that works out, the Liberals' drop might be stalled (since it's strongly tied to the figure of Trudeau), and that Conservative majority would get much harder.

But there are so many variables in play (especially also the NDP) that it's hard to predict anything right now - outside the near-certainty of a Conservative win one way or another.
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Also I think Trump win might reinforce Poilievre? Oh well...
 
4bars said:
Also I think Trump win might reinforce Poilievre? Oh well...
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I'm not sure, it can work various ways. Poilievre hasn't said much about his plans yet either.
 
I think this deserves a long-awaited bump. The polls coming out shows Trudeau's Liberal party could be literally wiped out. The elections are scheduled for October 2025, but there is every chance that an early election can be called in Spring if Liberal coalition partners, NDP, allow the non-confidence vote to pass. There is a civil war in the Liberal caucus too after Trudeau and Freeland fell out just before Christmas time. True House of Cards stuff. Trudeau is expected to lose his own seat according to latest polls. The CAD is at its weakest compared to USD in the entire 21st century with potential tariffs looming. Gonna be a wild time ahead.

I moved from Canada after over a decade last year because the situation was really getting bad, but still have to follow closely for business reasons. Definitely one of the big stories of 2025 to keep an eye on:







 
feck me. Wouldnt make sense that a big chunk would go to NDP? I font get liberal leftish voting for poilievre
 
4bars said:
feck me. Wouldnt make sense that a big chunk would go to NDP? I font get liberal leftish voting for poilievre
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Jagmeet Singh is a bigger idiot than Trudeau so not that surprising.

The NDP have completely abandoned their union roots too, it isn’t Jack Layton’s NDP anymore.

Unfortunately the country is pretty fecked these days and none of the parties will really do anything as they are all the same and in the pockets of mega oligopoly corporations.
 
We are about to be sold to oligarchs and they own the media, the CPC and to a lesser extent the Liberals. Couple that with an NDP abandoning the working class in favour of...quite honestly I don't know what their raison d'etre is...anyway we're cooked as a nation. No need for invasion we're just gonna fold it seems.
 
4bars said:
feck me. Wouldnt make sense that a big chunk would go to NDP? I font get liberal leftish voting for poilievre.
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The federal Liberals in Canada are generally center-left, with emphasis on center. To me the current incarnation is further left than I like but that is largely due to the NDP's influence in keeping a minority gov't afloat.

I used to vote NDP 30+ years ago when they were a labour-left party but they've sinced morphed into something like a big tent of special interests and hardened socialists. They have a steadfast base but not much cross-appeal (in general, but there have been exceptions). I frankly shudder to think of what their foreign policy would look like, much less their domestic agenda.

As for the upcoming election I am truly fecked. I really dislike this Liberal gov't but absolutely loathe the oily, sloganeering simpleton, Poilievre. I don't think there's enough alcohol in the country to make me drunk enough to vote for any of the 3 main parties, so I will either vote Green or go to my place in Montreal and vote Bloc.
 
Trudeau has been a catastrophically bad PM and really has run the country into the ground. I'll elaborate on how life changed bit by bit, especially in the last 2-3 years in another post later this week. In short, you pay Ritz prices in Canada to live a motel experience for the most part. Our middle class went from being on-par / richer than American middle-class, to significantly poorer, to the point that if we were to become the 51st state, we'd be among the 5-6 poorest American states which is absolutely bonkers considering how rich of a country Canada is. In addition to erosion of any sense of national identity, pride, something common to bring together all these people of different backgrounds under a unifying promise. I recently had my passport renewed and they even got rid of Terry Fox tributes in passport pages.

Looks like he's about to finally resign after being ditched by most even in his own party. I'll believe it when I see it officially mind you. I don't think it'll save the Liberal brand (it's damaged for a decade at least IMO), but it may prevent them from getting fewer than 10 seats and going into non-party status.

Also interesting if, following his resignation, Jagmeet and NDP will follow up on their promise to back non-confidence vote and force a general election or will he weasel out of that somehow.

 
How is Trudeau proroguing Parliament for two months in any way acceptable?

Boris Johnson tried to do it here for 5 weeks and it was ruled unlawful.
 
Hanks said:
Trudeau has been a catastrophically bad PM and really has run the country into the ground. I'll elaborate on how life changed bit by bit, especially in the last 2-3 years in another post later this week. In short, you pay Ritz prices in Canada to live a motel experience for the most part. Our middle class went from being on-par / richer than American middle-class, to significantly poorer, to the point that if we were to become the 51st state, we'd be among the 5-6 poorest American states which is absolutely bonkers considering how rich of a country Canada is. In addition to erosion of any sense of national identity, pride, something common to bring together all these people of different backgrounds under a unifying promise. I recently had my passport renewed and they even got rid of Terry Fox tributes in passport pages.

Looks like he's about to finally resign after being ditched by most even in his own party. I'll believe it when I see it officially mind you. I don't think it'll save the Liberal brand (it's damaged for a decade at least IMO), but it may prevent them from getting fewer than 10 seats and going into non-party status.

Also interesting if, following his resignation, Jagmeet and NDP will follow up on their promise to back non-confidence vote and force a general election or will he weasel out of that somehow.

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Just returned from a couple of weeks in the GTA. What confounds me about Canada are the real estate prices in Toronto and Vancouver. How on earth do you have such a massive country, and yet real estate is so astronomically overpriced that it prices first time buyers out of the market in the suburbs of its big cities. Not sure if that is related to Trudeau's term or whether its a longer term problem.
 
Raoul said:
Insane

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I'd say you've answered your own question - housing prices have been going insane since long before Trudeau came into power. Every government since the early 2000's seems to have failed to address the issue in the longterm.
 
I don't think is fair to pin the housing problem with Trudeau. I think is a systemic problem from before him and will be a after him. Specially in the big cities
 
4bars said:
I don't think is fair to pin the housing problem with Trudeau. I think is a systemic problem from before him and will be a after him. Specially in the big cities
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Why do you think it exists ? The situation in the US was fairly manageable during the same period, but seems to have spiraled out of control in Canada. (Note: The US is worse over the past couple of years, but nowhere near as bad as Canada)
 
Raoul said:
Why do you think it exists ? The situation in the US was fairly manageable during the same period, but seems to have spiraled out of control in Canada. (Note: The US is worse over the past couple of years, but nowhere near as bad as Canada)
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The amount of actually habitable land in Canada is minuscule compared to the USA. From memory, the majority of Canadians live south of the 49th parallel.
 
africanspur said:
The amount of actually habitable land in Canada is minuscule compared to the USA. From memory, the majority of Canadians live south of the 49th parallel.
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africanspur said:
The amount of actually habitable land in Canada is minuscule compared to the USA. From memory, the majority of Canadians live south of the 49th parallel.
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Yes, I'm not talking about people who live in the Yukon or NW Territories. There's endless land in Ontario and the other southern provinces that isn't being used. There's something else that's off that is causing the real estate values to skyrocket in a giant country that has basically the population of California.
 
Raoul said:
Why do you think it exists ? The situation in the US was fairly manageable during the same period, but seems to have spiraled out of control in Canada. (Note: The US is worse over the past couple of years, but nowhere near as bad as Canada)
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The Real Estate issue has always been an issue in Canada, but it's absolutely exploded over the last decade of JT.

But the problem is much more than that, especially since he won his 3rd election, he went absolutely ballistic with immigration and temporary resident visas. Currently, 5 million people live on temporary visas in Canada, that's roughly, 12% of the whole population. And that's not mention that we're taxed to death for everything.

Back to immigration, It has massively contributed to the housing problem, soaring prices, and a very stagnant job market. Before, teenagers used to be able to get jobs as cashiers at coffeeshop chains, now, even if you want a minimum wage job, you must compete with hundreds of others. Canada added over 4 million people to its population since the last election in Fall 2021, but the infrastructure, housing, job market, and general society wasn't and ISN'T ready for it. I organize and manage a tech networking event business in Toronto (remotely) , and I needed a SMM. It's a part-time gig, max 20 hours per month at a 20% higher than min wage hourly contract salary...and within 1 day of posting on LinkedIn, I got 400 applicants. And then for much more basic minimum wage jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds you get these. And as we all know, unemployment always leads to more crime, and then you see why car theft, jewlery store robberies, have skyrocketed in the last couple of years.





You just need to walk around Toronto downtown to see it's so crowded, so dirty, so much drugs, construction everywhere, annoying traffic..,it just doesn't feel like a pleasant city anymore. I got robbed in my last month there by a druggie, and that was the last straw for me which made me move to Poland.

I was living in downtown Toronto for the most part of Trudeau's reign, and the decay and the decline which pursued was impossible to ignore. And all of this is without mentioning the insane cost of living in big cities in Canada that really doesn't match the average earnings. That's why he has less than 25% approval ratings and basically ditched by his own party too, and had to resign.

And now I see they are proroguing the parliament until March 24th. So once Trump comes in, and if he implements his tarriffs (that will kill whatever is left of the Canadian economy), we won't even have a functioning government to do something. Just great.
 
Hanks said:
The Real Estate issue has always been an issue in Canada, but it's absolutely exploded over the last decade of JT.

But the problem is much more than that, especially since he won his 3rd election, he went absolutely ballistic with immigration and temporary resident visas. Currently, 5 million people live on temporary visas in Canada, that's roughly, 12% of the whole population. And that's not mention that we're taxed to death for everything.

Back to immigration, It has massively contributed to the housing problem, soaring prices, and a very stagnant job market. Before, teenagers used to be able to get jobs as cashiers at coffeeshop chains, now, even if you want a minimum wage job, you must compete with hundreds of others. Canada added over 4 million people to its population since the last election in Fall 2021, but the infrastructure, housing, job market, and general society wasn't and ISN'T ready for it. I organize and manage a tech networking event business in Toronto (remotely) , and I needed a SMM. It's a part-time gig, max 20 hours per month at a 20% higher than min wage hourly contract salary...and within 1 day of posting on LinkedIn, I got 400 applicants. And then for much more basic minimum wage jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds you get these. And as we all know, unemployment always leads to more crime, and then you see why car theft, jewlery store robberies, have skyrocketed in the last couple of years.





You just need to walk around Toronto downtown to see it's so crowded, so dirty, so much drugs, construction everywhere, annoying traffic..,it just doesn't feel like a pleasant city anymore. I got robbed in my last month there by a druggie, and that was the last straw for me which made me move to Poland.

I was living in downtown Toronto for the most part of Trudeau's reign, and the decay and the decline which pursued was impossible to ignore. And all of this is without mentioning the insane cost of living in big cities in Canada that really doesn't match the average earnings. That's why he has less than 25% approval ratings and basically ditched by his own party too, and had to resign.

And now I see they are proroguing the parliament until March 24th. So once Trump comes in, and if he implements his tarriffs (that will kill whatever is left of the Canadian economy), we won't even have a functioning government to do something. Just great.
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Thanks. Seems like its getting worse as immigration rates rise.
 
Raoul said:
Just returned from a couple of weeks in the GTA. What confounds me about Canada are the real estate prices in Toronto and Vancouver. How on earth do you have such a massive country, and yet real estate is so astronomically overpriced that it prices first time buyers out of the market in the suburbs of its big cities. Not sure if that is related to Trudeau's term or whether its a longer term problem.
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The crows came home under Trudeau but we have been heading this way for decades.
 
Hanks said:
The Real Estate issue has always been an issue in Canada, but it's absolutely exploded over the last decade of JT.

But the problem is much more than that, especially since he won his 3rd election, he went absolutely ballistic with immigration and temporary resident visas. Currently, 5 million people live on temporary visas in Canada, that's roughly, 12% of the whole population. And that's not mention that we're taxed to death for everything.

Back to immigration, It has massively contributed to the housing problem, soaring prices, and a very stagnant job market. Before, teenagers used to be able to get jobs as cashiers at coffeeshop chains, now, even if you want a minimum wage job, you must compete with hundreds of others. Canada added over 4 million people to its population since the last election in Fall 2021, but the infrastructure, housing, job market, and general society wasn't and ISN'T ready for it. I organize and manage a tech networking event business in Toronto (remotely) , and I needed a SMM. It's a part-time gig, max 20 hours per month at a 20% higher than min wage hourly contract salary...and within 1 day of posting on LinkedIn, I got 400 applicants. And then for much more basic minimum wage jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds you get these. And as we all know, unemployment always leads to more crime, and then you see why car theft, jewlery store robberies, have skyrocketed in the last couple of years.





You just need to walk around Toronto downtown to see it's so crowded, so dirty, so much drugs, construction everywhere, annoying traffic..,it just doesn't feel like a pleasant city anymore. I got robbed in my last month there by a druggie, and that was the last straw for me which made me move to Poland.

I was living in downtown Toronto for the most part of Trudeau's reign, and the decay and the decline which pursued was impossible to ignore. And all of this is without mentioning the insane cost of living in big cities in Canada that really doesn't match the average earnings. That's why he has less than 25% approval ratings and basically ditched by his own party too, and had to resign.

And now I see they are proroguing the parliament until March 24th. So once Trump comes in, and if he implements his tarriffs (that will kill whatever is left of the Canadian economy), we won't even have a functioning government to do something. Just great.
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What's the reason for issuing so many temporary visas?
 
Is there any other capitalist country that is not facing the same issues?

What does people expect when you let a few to own all the land and the wealth.

ps. people buying into the immigration as a root for all evils...
Deep down we are just as dumb as we were a hundred or a thousand years ago.
 
George Owen said:
Is there any other capitalist country that is not facing the same issues?

What does people expect when you let a few to own all the land and the wealth.

ps. people buying into the immigration as a root for all evils...
Deep down we are just as dumb as we were a hundred or a thousand years ago.
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Yeah the housing issue spiraling out of control in most developed western countries esp in cities. I'm not convinced it's all down to immigration either it's more to do with uncontrolled capitalism taking over the housing market.

But I'm interested in the 4 million immigrants on temp visas point as this doesn't sound normal at all.
 
George Owen said:
The owners of the country need cheap labour.
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Doesn't make sense, as people are queuing up for jobs at McDonald's and Tim Horton's? There doesn't seem to be a demand for cheap labour it seems.
 
2mufc0 said:
Yeah the housing issue spiraling out of control in most developed western countries esp in cities. I'm not convinced it's all down to immigration either it's more to do with uncontrolled capitalism taking over the housing market.

But I'm interested in the 4 million immigrants on temp visas point as this doesn't sound normal at all.
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This can vary across countries but some causes of the housing crisis:
  • Many existing buildings (offices) hard to convert to apartments.
  • Zoning regulations.
  • Car-centric development (I guess this is mostly a US problem).
  • NIMBYism blocking housing developments.
  • Missing "middle", meaning a shortage of starter homes for young (professional) people aside from luxury condos or cheap social housing.
  • Rising cost of labour & materials for development.
  • I don't know how true this is but rich non-Westerners buying up housing in the West (I've heard this argument at least).
  • Rent control discouraging the building of new apartments.
For me however, when analyzing these things, a fundamental question is: is this new? Did these problems not exist to the same degree in the 50s/60s/70s/80s? If not, what changed?
 
George Owen said:
Is there any other capitalist country that is not facing the same issues?

What does people expect when you let a few to own all the land and the wealth.

ps. people buying into the immigration as a root for all evils...
Deep down we are just as dumb as we were a hundred or a thousand years ago.
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Yes. It's really not so bad in Canada; I'd say @Hanks is hugely exaggerating.

Everyone is in support of immigration. It's just the numbers have been too high to keep up with housing demand - which is also why housing prices are so high. Yes, it's a huge country, but people want to live in the big cities. Housing construction doesn't keep up, so there you go.

It's not the same everywhere btw, housing prices in Quebec remain much more reasonable, and also in many other parts of the country.

Back to immigration, it's seen as a solution to aging and shortages in various job sectors, which is why numbers have been allowed to increase significantly. It's being brought down now for the coming years though. It also has to be kept in mind that Canadas migrants mostly come through selection processes, so it's much more targeted than in Europe or the US. (Canada is able to do that through its geographical position.)
 
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