Tough on crime would do it for me.
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He doesn't want to do anything about climate change and increase oil drilling instead; anything progressive (like equity) is anathema to him; he'll do the usual tough on crime spiel (proven not to work); he'll want to cut in government wherever he can (at the expense of the poor of course); and other standard themes you can predict.
There is some of it also in the article on the Jordan Peterson interview that I referenced above. Plus you can couple everything with inflammatory, polarizing rhetoric, cause that's the only way Poilievre seems to be able to talk.
People who tolerated the Harper era won't leave Canada over this, but it will be unpleasant for anyone who isn't right of centre - and in some instances likely also for progressive conservatives.
Are you here just to try and get people to bite?
A little bit with the first reply (though I’d describe it as trying to illicit a reply), and not at all with the second.
It might be unpleasant for the free market communists as well. Not to mention the libertarian social democrats and the liberal fascists.
The issue is where you go? there is a poilievre in any significant western country and it seems is their turn to rule everywhere, specially with the Trump/Musk through X umbrella
It's not specifically his policies that concern me. Canada is experiencing a very rapid increase in hostility towards foreigners, immigrants, basically anyone that doesn't look like Wayne Gretzky. Perhaps not every day, but certainly every week I see social media posts from individuals that I've known (high school peers and the like) outright advocating for violence against visible minorities. I haven't experienced any outright attacks or verbal abuse thus far but relatives in Edmonton, Vancouver and Toronto all have within the last year or so. Additionally, lawyers in Ontario have been visited by police warning against social media criticism of Israel. I don't expect a Conservative government to take any action against this, and I do expect a Conservative government to fan the flames with xenophobic rhetoric. It will be, at best, a return to Stephen Harper's praise of "old-stock Canadians" and "barbaric cultural practices hotlines". I could probably stomach that, grudgingly, but I worry that 2025 is a different social climate to 2014 and that rhetoric will increasingly be followed by action.
A freudian slip of sorts. They came via pm.
But PC (progressive conservatives) is a real thing in Canada. It refers to parties that are (generally speaking) progressive on social issues and conservative economically. It used to be the main branch of conservatism in Canada and it's still the prevalent from in a number of provinces, including Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador (not sure about PEI).
Social conservatism used to be rather minor, but has seen an increase in the 2000s, and is now dominant among conservative parties in the Prairies (Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba - the latter a bit less), and pretty much also in the federal conservative party. (Of which the provincial parties aren't all offshoots that follow the federal lead).
Sounds like the worst of both worlds to me! But okay, thanks for the info. I didn't actually think you made it up
Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.
Gonna park this here:
sure. 95% in absolute poverty and 5% uberrich and have a nice per capita
Why would Poilievre in particular unlock that?
If I had to guess, more drilling?
I don’t think it’s gonna be in a way that benefits the planet, put it that way.
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo
To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo
To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
At the risk of being (far) too dominant in this thread: I don't know about experience, but I think it chimes with what I wrote on the previous page on Canada's immigration issues.
Ah, yeah, gotcha.
It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.
My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.
Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:
- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?
Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.
The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.
Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.
I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.
That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".
Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html
Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.
While at it, having been Canadian for almost 20 years...the most proudest and beautiful Canadian experience I had was exactly three years ago during the Freedom Convoy. I've never seen a true Canadian moment like this: People of all ages, and ethnicities, you name it: Anglo, French, Persians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbs, Carribeans, Africans, gathering together for a common cause. Dancing in parks, playing in bouncy castles (I have videos of everything) , giving and receiving souvenirs from each other, for a common belief of freedom....only to be sneered as the second coming of Third Reich by the media and Trudeau's gov't. I couldn't believe it because I saw the convoy with my own bare eyes. The news coverage was like Iran regime state TV...and that was before the freezing of bank accounts and such.
But I'm glad I had those couple of weeks and memories to last a lifetime. I recall, carrying a Canadian national flag on the streets would get the police looking at you like you're a criminal or suspect. Crazy times.
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"In Canada, wealth is distributed unevenly, with the wealthiest 20% of households owning over 67.7% of the country's total net worth. In contrast, the bottom 40% of households own only 2.4% of the total net worth."
Yes, blame the socialists for the neoliberal capitalism running your country to the ground and then go vote for the people that engineered/created the hellhole in the first place.
I will explain my experience. I came to Canada in 2016 and had little money because I blew it off travelling around. I am a privileged immigrant that I travelled and immigrated in multiple places because I could and most important I had a safety net at my middle class parents home. Saying that, I didn't ever wanted to ask for a hand out and I put that I had to put. Working harsh work, sometimes for pennies and many hours. At some stages, 60-70 hours a week at the beginning. I came legally, but i had been put a few days in jail and deported in another country for working illegally there. No drama, again, safety net had been always there for me.
My experience of coming to Canada (Vancouver), had been the typical of immigrant success, I came here to steal jobs and women and I accomplished that. I have now a family with a second generation canadian and an above average paid job and I am a citizen.
But I also paid 500 dollars in Vancouver DT for a 3 x 1.5 meter den with a washer machine and dryer for a short period of time while I was looking for something better. till I moved to a 3 room basement in East vancouver with 2 friends and as I was traumatized by the den, I chose the biggest room. A very spacious room with toilet inside the room for 750 CAD. after a year I moved to another place because I found a bargain even by then standards. After a year there, I started dating my ex landlord who is now my fiancee and the mother of my kid and we moved to the main house on top of the basement of the 750 CAD ensuite bedroom that I rented. Talking of climbing the ladder, right? She rented the old room after COVID for 1100 but we knew that we would be able to rent it for 1300. But you just can't kick out your tenants (right? right?). So in the span of 7 years she was renting it by more than 50% with a most likely potential of 80-90%. 1 year ago our tenant left and we had not been able to find a person for 1100. She still rents it at 1100 but because another tenant with the smaller room "upgraded" there, but we couldn't find anyone so I assume it would be around 1000 CAD
This is my personal experience that is just 1 case, not the whole picture, so take it as it is
There is a problem on housing, that is absolutely undeniable, but immigration is only guilty (partially) on the rent prices that at the same time puts a bit of pressure on the buying market. But is negligible compared to the canadian already homeowners that they don't let go because precisely they can rent it to immigrants to cover a big chunk if not the entirety of the mortgage. With just the basement, with the big interests that she is paying, is covering 2/3 of the mortgage (3 years ago probably 80%). If we would not live there and she would rent the entirety of the house, she would cover the mortgage and make a profit. And as her I assume many canadian omeowners that till 10-15 years ago had still access to the market and that obviously they will not let go of their properties and by a second. She has another 1 bedroom condo with the tenant covers 90-100% of the mortgage
This big influx of immigration is happening elsewhere and it puts the stress on the society. Services are overcrowded because obviously, public investment in healthcare, transportation, other infrastructure can't grow as fast as the population has grown. All this pains are really there and are undeniable. Job competition increased, certainly. But if a person with a poor language knowledge, without connections, with limited resources can "steal" your job, maybe is that you suck. Minimum salary is 17 CAD/hour, so not bad for menial jobs. in 2016, when I arrived, minimum salary was 10 CAD so it increased a 70%. And if immigration competes in price because they pay them under the table, who the government should go against, is the employer that is breaking the law.
I already explained it before, because I have plenty of friends that are at different stages of the immigration process. Working with a working holiday visa or studying or sponsorized by a company, or with residency or almost citizens, I know the how Canada had been controlling the influx depending on the needs and that had a reflection on their housing prices. During COVID renting prices were low. Just after COVID there was no workers, fear, realizing that is more to life than to work in shit places, etc made that some of my friends that got a 1 year visa got automatically extended to 1.5 year extra and some that they were working 20 hours a week max because studying, got increased to 40 hours a week. There was simply no local people that wanted to work and no immigrants because COVID severed immigration to come to Canada
in 2023, things started to come to normalcy. COVID restrictions were lifted, immigrants started to pour in more force due to the opportunities that were vacant and the easiness of canada to let them come and work and the rent prices exploded. By May 2024, canada stopped the 40 hours a week for students to back at 20 hours. And further restrictions had been applied and now immigrants, specially students have far more restrictions than pre COVID but this will take time to take in effect, because the extensions at the beginning of 2023 will not end till well entered in 2025 almost 2026
On my second month in canada, I was doing interviews and I was waiting on a skytrain station and I struck a casual conversation with an old lady and we were joking around. And when we said farewell she said (paraphrasing): "welcome to canada, you have to pay my pension now" and I laughed and on my merry way. Immigration has is advantages which contributes to the economy. In my case, Canada obtained a 35 years old which they didn't need to pay primary education, nor my university expenses (which Spain paid almost in full), healthy and ready to work which I didn't stop in my last 9 years paying my taxes and using seldom public services. But my case is my case. There are others that contributes or more or less. And immigration poses challenges. Not everybody is as lucky as me and they might resort to other paths like in crime or vagrancy style of life. Also, as I mention stress in public services, which if the government would tax the richer, maybe they could invest more. Culture clash is another one, but I can't enjoy enough the diversity in Vancouver to be honest. But these problems pales, IMO, with other things that causes the real issues that we are living these days, and I truly believe that they are blaming immigration for several reasons: They are the weakest link, are easier to identify and they don't vote. And while we are pointing to immigration we don't point to the real problem: Inequality
I found especially hypocritical that as the article mention, 50% of canada (and even more in Vancouver) is 1st or 2nd generation. What these anti immigrants think they are? a better bread of immigrants? that their parents were a better immigrant? the close the door after me attitude is deeply selfish. I succeed (so far) in canada and I think I am contributing my fair share, so my fiancee's family when they arrived, but it will never occur to me to deny this privilege to anyone that may come after me. Sure, when something wrong happens particularly to me and is the stereotypical "immigrant problem" I will curse and blame but I will not lose this perspective because I know that this person came here to have a better life but by luck and/or societal inequality brought him to a different path than me. No one lives their homeland for good, families and friends just because. There are plenty of resources to tackle the issues that immigrations causes, but this resources are behind the fingers that points immigration as culprits
Crazily, Brampton used to actually be a pretty nice place. Can’t say much for it these days.