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Tough on crime would do it for me.What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?
Tough on crime would do it for me.What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?
He doesn't want to do anything about climate change and increase oil drilling instead; anything progressive (like equity) is anathema to him; he'll do the usual tough on crime spiel (proven not to work); he'll want to cut in government wherever he can (at the expense of the poor of course); and other standard themes you can predict.What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?
I’m curious to see how much pushback this receives.
Are you here just to try and get people to bite?People usually just say stuff like that for effect.
A little bit with the first reply (though I’d describe it as trying to illicit a reply), and not at all with the second.Are you here just to try and get people to bite?
It might be unpleasant for the free market communists as well. Not to mention the libertarian social democrats and the liberal fascists.progressive conservatives
He doesn't want to do anything about climate change and increase oil drilling instead; anything progressive (like equity) is anathema to him; he'll do the usual tough on crime spiel (proven not to work); he'll want to cut in government wherever he can (at the expense of the poor of course); and other standard themes you can predict.
There is some of it also in the article on the Jordan Peterson interview that I referenced above. Plus you can couple everything with inflammatory, polarizing rhetoric, cause that's the only way Poilievre seems to be able to talk.
People who tolerated the Harper era won't leave Canada over this, but it will be unpleasant for anyone who isn't right of centre - and in some instances likely also for progressive conservatives.
Elicit.A little bit with the first reply (though I’d describe it as trying to illicit a reply), and not at all with the second.
What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?
A freudian slip of sorts. They came via pm.Elicit.
You don't want illicit replies.
It might be unpleasant for the free market communists as well. Not to mention the libertarian social democrats and the liberal fascists.
Sounds like the worst of both worlds to me! But okay, thanks for the info. I didn't actually think you made it upprogressive on social issues and conservative economically.
Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.
Why would Poilievre in particular unlock that?Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.
If I had to guess, more drilling?Why would Poilievre in particular unlock that?
I don’t think it’s gonna be in a way that benefits the planet, put it that way.Why would Poilievre in particular unlock that?
At the risk of being (far) too dominant in this thread: I don't know about experience, but I think it chimes with what I wrote on the previous page on Canada's immigration issues.How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo
To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
If I had to guess, more drilling?
Ah, yeah, gotcha.I don’t think it’s gonna be in a way that benefits the planet, put it that way.
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo
To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.
My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.
Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:
- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?
Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.
The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.
Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.
I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.
That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".
Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html
Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo
To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
Crazily, Brampton used to actually be a pretty nice place. Can’t say much for it these days.
If you can't see the difference between Brampton now and in the 90s/early 2000s then you need your eyes checked.I was just there a couple of weeks ago. Didn't seem much of a difference, but then again I've been in that area at least once a year for many years.
If you can't see the difference between Brampton now and in the 90s/early 2000s then you need your eyes checked.
It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.
My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.
Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:
- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?
Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.
The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.
Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.
I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.
That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".
Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html
Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.
While at it, having been Canadian for almost 20 years...the most proudest and beautiful Canadian experience I had was exactly three years ago during the Freedom Convoy. I've never seen a true Canadian moment like this: People of all ages, and ethnicities, you name it: Anglo, French, Persians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbs, Carribeans, Africans, gathering together for a common cause. Dancing in parks, playing in bouncy castles (I have videos of everything) , giving and receiving souvenirs from each other, for a common belief of freedom....only to be sneered as the second coming of Third Reich by the media and Trudeau's gov't. I couldn't believe it because I saw the convoy with my own bare eyes. The news coverage was like Iran regime state TV...and that was before the freezing of bank accounts and such.
But I'm glad I had those couple of weeks and memories to last a lifetime. I recall, carrying a Canadian national flag on the streets would get the police looking at you like you're a criminal or suspect. Crazy times.
This is awesome:
For those that don't get the French: it's from Quebec's most popular New Year's Eve show. Pierre Poilievre is answering 'Justin Trudeau' to every question (but says his favorite slogan when Justin Trudeau is the answer) - but somehow wins anyway.
(It's political satire, so fits the thread.)
Question for the moderators (or moderator): why was this post deemed worthy of a ban?
Immigration is definitely needed, but it needs to be done properly and the right people need to be brought in. Canada should be a choice destination and we should be selective on who we bring in which clearly hasn't happened.
I run a nationwide staffing company and I'm pretty knowledgeable about what we need and what we have in terms of workers. We 100% need Doctors, Nurses (most young nurses are choosing to work in the US) and Skilled Trades. These are the people we should be targeting and bringing in because we need them and we don't have them. A success story would be we brought in tons of Pipefitters from the Philippines who are phenomenal workers and highly skilled. Under Trudeau's reckless immigration rules which he, in a roundabout way, admitted he made a mistake, we brought in anybody and everybody. I've seen tons of resumes from people who we brought in who worked at a grocery store or menial job in their country. They were brought in on their own, not student visas or with family where one of the members was something we needed. There was no need to bring them in.
What we have now in the job market is tons and tons of unskilled workers who are all fighting for a handful of fast food and entry level jobs. Then the claim is that "they do the jobs Canadian's won't do" which is complete bullshit. Those jobs were meant for students to introduce them to the workforce, teach them responsibility and give the 16 year old kid a chance to save up for a car. Those opportunities don't exist for most of them now and they'll leave high school with minimum funds and then go plunge themselves in debt with student loans.
Question for the moderators (or moderator): why was this post deemed worthy of a ban?
Immigration is definitely needed, but it needs to be done properly and the right people need to be brought in. Canada should be a choice destination and we should be selective on who we bring in which clearly hasn't happened.
I run a nationwide staffing company and I'm pretty knowledgeable about what we need and what we have in terms of workers. We 100% need Doctors, Nurses (most young nurses are choosing to work in the US) and Skilled Trades. These are the people we should be targeting and bringing in because we need them and we don't have them. A success story would be we brought in tons of Pipefitters from the Philippines who are phenomenal workers and highly skilled. Under Trudeau's reckless immigration rules which he, in a roundabout way, admitted he made a mistake, we brought in anybody and everybody. I've seen tons of resumes from people who we brought in who worked at a grocery store or menial job in their country. They were brought in on their own, not student visas or with family where one of the members was something we needed. There was no need to bring them in.
What we have now in the job market is tons and tons of unskilled workers who are all fighting for a handful of fast food and entry level jobs. Then the claim is that "they do the jobs Canadian's won't do" which is complete bullshit. Those jobs were meant for students to introduce them to the workforce, teach them responsibility and give the 16 year old kid a chance to save up for a car. Those opportunities don't exist for most of them now and they'll leave high school with minimum funds and then go plunge themselves in debt with student loans.
I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.So apparently Mark Carney will attempt to be Trudeau's replacement for the liberals.
Always thought him to talk a lot of sense at BOE, he never minced his words around the consequences of the politics of the day. Does he have any standing with the Canadian public?
Thanks!I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.
Even among people who are familiar with his resume I think there's still an element of "let's see what you've got".
Overall, speaking personally, I would agree with that. Also, there was no ban, just a warning that led to a points total that automatically triggered a temporary ban.I don't think it's ban worthy, but I also think the post is unquestionably xenophobic and thinly disguised as "Canada was great until these brown people showed up".
For what it's worth, the idea of Canada in the past having been a cultural mosaic as the poster described is rather ludicrous. Visible minorities were 11% of Canada's population in 1996. In 2021 that number was 22%. It's much more a mosaic today than ever before. The poster is simply upset that some cherry picked video of NYE celebrations didn't look, demographically, the way I suppose they look where he now lives in Poland.
So apparently Mark Carney will attempt to be Trudeau's replacement for the liberals.
Always thought him to talk a lot of sense at BOE, he never minced his words around the consequences of the politics of the day. Does he have any standing with the Canadian public?
I would say that Carney has a lot of standing and will be seen as having authority on economic issues - unlike Trudeau, for that matter. As such, he might be real threat to Poilievre, as a lot of his appeal is likely exactly in that area. Carney won't be winning over any ardent Poilievre supporters, but might reverse some of the loss of Liberal voters to the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois. Nowhere near enough though; the best any new Liberal leader can hope for, is to stop the Liberal freefall and maybe prevent the Conversatives from winning a majority.I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.
Even among people who are familiar with his resume I think there's still an element of "let's see what you've got".
CBC had an article on that just today exactly: Canada has a doctor shortage, but thousands of foreign-trained physicians already here still face barriers (CBC.ca). As it says, there are thousands for foreign-trained doctors in Canada that aren't working in health care because of those stringent requirements (and the bureaucracy around them).The doctor situation is quite iffy in Canada. It’s very difficult to get into training in Canada even as a Canadian (So much so that many Canadians end up going to the U.S. for post grad) but that’s because of the very limited number of training spots so there’s no real way to get around that.
However after training, even when you’ve completed a speciality/sub speciality in a country where the training is recognised, like say the UK or Australia, there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through to be able to work in Canada, and it’s very expensive and takes quite a long time. If they actually want to do something about that doctor shortage then they need to make it more straightforward for doctors to come into the system.
Yes. As much as there are also counter-arguments (just do new elections now), it also kinda makes sense, because he resigned as leader of the party and he couldn't reasonably stay on as a lame-duck PM. So he prorogued parliament to give the Liberals a chance to choose a new leader, who will lead government when parliament resumes.Did Trudeau end up proroguing Parliament for two months?