Canadian Politics

What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?
He doesn't want to do anything about climate change and increase oil drilling instead; anything progressive (like equity) is anathema to him; he'll do the usual tough on crime spiel (proven not to work); he'll want to cut in government wherever he can (at the expense of the poor of course); and other standard themes you can predict.

There is some of it also in the article on the Jordan Peterson interview that I referenced above. Plus you can couple everything with inflammatory, polarizing rhetoric, cause that's the only way Poilievre seems to be able to talk.

People who tolerated the Harper era won't leave Canada over this, but it will be unpleasant for anyone who isn't right of centre - and in some instances likely also for progressive conservatives.
 
He doesn't want to do anything about climate change and increase oil drilling instead; anything progressive (like equity) is anathema to him; he'll do the usual tough on crime spiel (proven not to work); he'll want to cut in government wherever he can (at the expense of the poor of course); and other standard themes you can predict.

There is some of it also in the article on the Jordan Peterson interview that I referenced above. Plus you can couple everything with inflammatory, polarizing rhetoric, cause that's the only way Poilievre seems to be able to talk.

People who tolerated the Harper era won't leave Canada over this, but it will be unpleasant for anyone who isn't right of centre - and in some instances likely also for progressive conservatives.

The issue is where you go? there is a poilievre in any significant western country and it seems is their turn to rule everywhere, specially with the Trump/Musk through X umbrella
 
What are his main policies that would make you want to leave ?

It's not specifically his policies that concern me. Canada is experiencing a very rapid increase in hostility towards foreigners, immigrants, basically anyone that doesn't look like Wayne Gretzky. Perhaps not every day, but certainly every week I see social media posts from individuals that I've known (high school peers and the like) outright advocating for violence against visible minorities. I haven't experienced any outright attacks or verbal abuse thus far but relatives in Edmonton, Vancouver and Toronto all have within the last year or so. Additionally, lawyers in Ontario have been visited by police warning against social media criticism of Israel. I don't expect a Conservative government to take any action against this, and I do expect a Conservative government to fan the flames with xenophobic rhetoric. It will be, at best, a return to Stephen Harper's praise of "old-stock Canadians" and "barbaric cultural practices hotlines". I could probably stomach that, grudgingly, but I worry that 2025 is a different social climate to 2014 and that rhetoric will increasingly be followed by action.
 
It might be unpleasant for the free market communists as well. Not to mention the libertarian social democrats and the liberal fascists.
:)

But PC (progressive conservatives) is a real thing in Canada. It refers to parties that are (generally speaking) progressive on social issues and conservative economically. It used to be the main branch of conservatism in Canada and it's still the prevalent from in a number of provinces, including Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador (not sure about PEI).

Social conservatism used to be rather minor, but has seen an increase in the 2000s, and is now dominant among conservative parties in the Prairies (Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba - the latter a bit less), and pretty much also in the federal conservative party. (Of which the provincial parties aren't all offshoots that follow the federal lead).
 
Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.
 
Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.

sure. 95% in absolute poverty and 5% uberrich and have a nice per capita
 
Say what you like, but the fact is Canada has the tools to become the wealthiest per capita nation in the g7 by quite a distance. Under pollievre, they just might do it.
Why would Poilievre in particular unlock that?
 
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo

To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^
At the risk of being (far) too dominant in this thread: I don't know about experience, but I think it chimes with what I wrote on the previous page on Canada's immigration issues.
If I had to guess, more drilling?
I don’t think it’s gonna be in a way that benefits the planet, put it that way.
Ah, yeah, gotcha.
 
Misogyny or bigotry (including racism)
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo

To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^

It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.

My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.

Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:

- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?





Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.

The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.

Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.

I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.

That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".

Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html

Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.

While at it, having been Canadian for almost 20 years...the most proudest and beautiful Canadian experience I had was exactly three years ago during the Freedom Convoy. I've never seen a true Canadian moment like this: People of all ages, and ethnicities, you name it: Anglo, French, Persians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbs, Carribeans, Africans, gathering together for a common cause. Dancing in parks, playing in bouncy castles (I have videos of everything) , giving and receiving souvenirs from each other, for a common belief of freedom....only to be sneered as the second coming of Third Reich by the media and Trudeau's gov't. I couldn't believe it because I saw the convoy with my own bare eyes. The news coverage was like Iran regime state TV...and that was before the freezing of bank accounts and such.

But I'm glad I had those couple of weeks and memories to last a lifetime. I recall, carrying a Canadian national flag on the streets would get the police looking at you like you're a criminal or suspect. Crazy times.
 
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It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.

My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.

Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:

- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?





Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.

The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.

Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.

I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.

That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".

Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html

Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.


"In Canada, wealth is distributed unevenly, with the wealthiest 20% of households owning over 67.7% of the country's total net worth. In contrast, the bottom 40% of households own only 2.4% of the total net worth."

Yes, blame the socialists for the neoliberal capitalism running your country to the ground and then go vote for the people that engineered/created the hellhole in the first place.
 
How Canada's immigration debate soured - and helped seal Trudeau's fate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjzr7vexmo

To the resident Canadians here...does this chime with your experience? ^


I will explain my experience. I came to Canada in 2016 and had little money because I blew it off travelling around. I am a privileged immigrant that I travelled and immigrated in multiple places because I could and most important I had a safety net at my middle class parents home. Saying that, I didn't ever wanted to ask for a hand out and I put that I had to put. Working harsh work, sometimes for pennies and many hours. At some stages, 60-70 hours a week at the beginning. I came legally, but i had been put a few days in jail and deported in another country for working illegally there. No drama, again, safety net had been always there for me.

My experience of coming to Canada (Vancouver), had been the typical of immigrant success, I came here to steal jobs and women and I accomplished that. I have now a family with a second generation canadian and an above average paid job and I am a citizen.

But I also paid 500 dollars in Vancouver DT for a 3 x 1.5 meter den with a washer machine and dryer for a short period of time while I was looking for something better. till I moved to a 3 room basement in East vancouver with 2 friends and as I was traumatized by the den, I chose the biggest room. A very spacious room with toilet inside the room for 750 CAD. after a year I moved to another place because I found a bargain even by then standards. After a year there, I started dating my ex landlord who is now my fiancee and the mother of my kid and we moved to the main house on top of the basement of the 750 CAD ensuite bedroom that I rented. Talking of climbing the ladder, right? She rented the old room after COVID for 1100 but we knew that we would be able to rent it for 1300. But you just can't kick out your tenants (right? right?). So in the span of 7 years she was renting it by more than 50% with a most likely potential of 80-90%. 1 year ago our tenant left and we had not been able to find a person for 1100. She still rents it at 1100 but because another tenant with the smaller room "upgraded" there, but we couldn't find anyone so I assume it would be around 1000 CAD

This is my personal experience that is just 1 case, not the whole picture, so take it as it is

There is a problem on housing, that is absolutely undeniable, but immigration is only guilty (partially) on the rent prices that at the same time puts a bit of pressure on the buying market. But is negligible compared to the canadian already homeowners that they don't let go because precisely they can rent it to immigrants to cover a big chunk if not the entirety of the mortgage. With just the basement, with the big interests that she is paying, is covering 2/3 of the mortgage (3 years ago probably 80%). If we would not live there and she would rent the entirety of the house, she would cover the mortgage and make a profit. And as her I assume many canadian omeowners that till 10-15 years ago had still access to the market and that obviously they will not let go of their properties and by a second. She has another 1 bedroom condo with the tenant covers 90-100% of the mortgage

This big influx of immigration is happening elsewhere and it puts the stress on the society. Services are overcrowded because obviously, public investment in healthcare, transportation, other infrastructure can't grow as fast as the population has grown. All this pains are really there and are undeniable. Job competition increased, certainly. But if a person with a poor language knowledge, without connections, with limited resources can "steal" your job, maybe is that you suck. Minimum salary is 17 CAD/hour, so not bad for menial jobs. in 2016, when I arrived, minimum salary was 10 CAD so it increased a 70%. And if immigration competes in price because they pay them under the table, who the government should go against, is the employer that is breaking the law.

I already explained it before, because I have plenty of friends that are at different stages of the immigration process. Working with a working holiday visa or studying or sponsorized by a company, or with residency or almost citizens, I know the how Canada had been controlling the influx depending on the needs and that had a reflection on their housing prices. During COVID renting prices were low. Just after COVID there was no workers, fear, realizing that is more to life than to work in shit places, etc made that some of my friends that got a 1 year visa got automatically extended to 1.5 year extra and some that they were working 20 hours a week max because studying, got increased to 40 hours a week. There was simply no local people that wanted to work and no immigrants because COVID severed immigration to come to Canada

in 2023, things started to come to normalcy. COVID restrictions were lifted, immigrants started to pour in more force due to the opportunities that were vacant and the easiness of canada to let them come and work and the rent prices exploded. By May 2024, canada stopped the 40 hours a week for students to back at 20 hours. And further restrictions had been applied and now immigrants, specially students have far more restrictions than pre COVID but this will take time to take in effect, because the extensions at the beginning of 2023 will not end till well entered in 2025 almost 2026

On my second month in canada, I was doing interviews and I was waiting on a skytrain station and I struck a casual conversation with an old lady and we were joking around. And when we said farewell she said (paraphrasing): "welcome to canada, you have to pay my pension now" and I laughed and on my merry way. Immigration has is advantages which contributes to the economy. In my case, Canada obtained a 35 years old which they didn't need to pay primary education, nor my university expenses (which Spain paid almost in full), healthy and ready to work which I didn't stop in my last 9 years paying my taxes and using seldom public services. But my case is my case. There are others that contributes or more or less. And immigration poses challenges. Not everybody is as lucky as me and they might resort to other paths like in crime or vagrancy style of life. Also, as I mention stress in public services, which if the government would tax the richer, maybe they could invest more. Culture clash is another one, but I can't enjoy enough the diversity in Vancouver to be honest. But these problems pales, IMO, with other things that causes the real issues that we are living these days, and I truly believe that they are blaming immigration for several reasons: They are the weakest link, are easier to identify and they don't vote. And while we are pointing to immigration we don't point to the real problem: Inequality

I found especially hypocritical that as the article mention, 50% of canada (and even more in Vancouver) is 1st or 2nd generation. What these anti immigrants think they are? a better bread of immigrants? that their parents were a better immigrant? the close the door after me attitude is deeply selfish. I succeed (so far) in canada and I think I am contributing my fair share, so my fiancee's family when they arrived, but it will never occur to me to deny this privilege to anyone that may come after me. Sure, when something wrong happens particularly to me and is the stereotypical "immigrant problem" I will curse and blame but I will not lose this perspective because I know that this person came here to have a better life but by luck and/or societal inequality brought him to a different path than me. No one lives their homeland for good, families and friends just because. There are plenty of resources to tackle the issues that immigrations causes, but this resources are behind the fingers that points immigration as culprits
 
If you can't see the difference between Brampton now and in the 90s/early 2000s then you need your eyes checked.

I can definitely see the difference between Malton in the 90s compared to recently, but less so Brampton. Its always been somewhat of an ethnic enclave, which hasn't changed much over the years imo.
 
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This is awesome:



For those that don't get the French: it's from Quebec's most popular New Year's Eve show. Pierre Poilievre is answering 'Justin Trudeau' to every question (but says his favorite slogan when Justin Trudeau is the answer) - but somehow wins anyway.

(It's political satire, so fits the thread.)
 
It's fact. I know this is a super left forum and it's taboo to criticize immigration measures in any form or shape...but you can't hide and run from it forever. The chickens come to roost at some point.

My best mate from Uni, is of Indian-British origin. He's a lawyer, and even he was telling me the other day that the immigration from India is absolutely out of control and we need mass deportations. His family lives in Brampton and he was saying how crime is increasing and his parents who've been in Canada since 1990s don't feel safe anymore.

Also, while at it, Just look at the videos of New Year's Eve in downtown Toronto and downtown Vancouver. This is the most popular places in each city in the most celebrated night of the year. I have one question:

- Where is the diversity even? Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel rather than a country.
- Where are the women?





Canada used to be a multicultural mosaic, I don't even see the diversity anymore. It's become a nation of parallel societies with the occasional mixing which is ripe for disaster. It's treated like a hotel where everyone is free to come and go rather than a country, and society with a common set of beliefs, values, and identity that holds everything together.

The country is having an increasingly high male surplus thanks to the new immigration measures of last 5 years (just go to any networking event or bar/nightclub in major Canadian cities and it's always 70% minimum guys) ...and you add that to high unemployment and astronomical costs of living and you'll get more poverty and crime.

Maybe the boomer life experience with cottages in Muskoka is different with us normie millennials and Gen Zs in Trudeau's Canada ...but the young generation have been absolutely shafted and shat on. Forget about housing issues and the "never will be homeowners" generation, but It really wasn't pleasant to feel so unsafe walking back home late at night, get robbed, have drug addicts yell at you at every corner or harass you at coffeeshops.

I'm probably the only sole Iranian in my city in Poland now, but at least it's safe and clean and actually resembles a functioning society with a core identity and common values.

That's the thing about Canada that was taken away from us: Common identity and values that brings us and ties us all together. Something other than "We're not Americans".

Not surprising seeing the Prime Minister in Chief himself said: "‘There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada." He said we're "the first post-national state." Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/magazine/trudeaus-canada-again.html

Canada should be such a RICH nation. It's citizens should be the richest per capita in all of G7. Yet they are somehow among the poorest now, if not the poorest. I know most Canadians here are Liberal/NDP/Green voters, but I believe deep down you know that your team absolutely messed this country up.

While at it, having been Canadian for almost 20 years...the most proudest and beautiful Canadian experience I had was exactly three years ago during the Freedom Convoy. I've never seen a true Canadian moment like this: People of all ages, and ethnicities, you name it: Anglo, French, Persians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbs, Carribeans, Africans, gathering together for a common cause. Dancing in parks, playing in bouncy castles (I have videos of everything) , giving and receiving souvenirs from each other, for a common belief of freedom....only to be sneered as the second coming of Third Reich by the media and Trudeau's gov't. I couldn't believe it because I saw the convoy with my own bare eyes. The news coverage was like Iran regime state TV...and that was before the freezing of bank accounts and such.

But I'm glad I had those couple of weeks and memories to last a lifetime. I recall, carrying a Canadian national flag on the streets would get the police looking at you like you're a criminal or suspect. Crazy times.

Question for the moderators (or moderator): why was this post deemed worthy of a ban?
 
This is awesome:



For those that don't get the French: it's from Quebec's most popular New Year's Eve show. Pierre Poilievre is answering 'Justin Trudeau' to every question (but says his favorite slogan when Justin Trudeau is the answer) - but somehow wins anyway.

(It's political satire, so fits the thread.)

Frank Lampard hasn't aged well
 
Question for the moderators (or moderator): why was this post deemed worthy of a ban?

I dunno but as a Canadian I just found it confusing

What was the point in writing all that? He didn’t like that there were too many dudes at a NYE celebration, or something, so felt inspired to write an essay of waffle
 
I don't think it deserved a ban, but is funny how he is not happy to share the city with brown indians with another diversity groups but he is more than happy to the monochrome polish white. Is those little things that tells you more than enough even being iranian
 
Immigration is definitely needed, but it needs to be done properly and the right people need to be brought in. Canada should be a choice destination and we should be selective on who we bring in which clearly hasn't happened.

I run a nationwide staffing company and I'm pretty knowledgeable about what we need and what we have in terms of workers. We 100% need Doctors, Nurses (most young nurses are choosing to work in the US) and Skilled Trades. These are the people we should be targeting and bringing in because we need them and we don't have them. A success story would be we brought in tons of Pipefitters from the Philippines who are phenomenal workers and highly skilled. Under Trudeau's reckless immigration rules which he, in a roundabout way, admitted he made a mistake, we brought in anybody and everybody. I've seen tons of resumes from people who we brought in who worked at a grocery store or menial job in their country. They were brought in on their own, not student visas or with family where one of the members was something we needed. There was no need to bring them in.

What we have now in the job market is tons and tons of unskilled workers who are all fighting for a handful of fast food and entry level jobs. Then the claim is that "they do the jobs Canadian's won't do" which is complete bullshit. Those jobs were meant for students to introduce them to the workforce, teach them responsibility and give the 16 year old kid a chance to save up for a car. Those opportunities don't exist for most of them now and they'll leave high school with minimum funds and then go plunge themselves in debt with student loans.
 
Immigration is definitely needed, but it needs to be done properly and the right people need to be brought in. Canada should be a choice destination and we should be selective on who we bring in which clearly hasn't happened.

I run a nationwide staffing company and I'm pretty knowledgeable about what we need and what we have in terms of workers. We 100% need Doctors, Nurses (most young nurses are choosing to work in the US) and Skilled Trades. These are the people we should be targeting and bringing in because we need them and we don't have them. A success story would be we brought in tons of Pipefitters from the Philippines who are phenomenal workers and highly skilled. Under Trudeau's reckless immigration rules which he, in a roundabout way, admitted he made a mistake, we brought in anybody and everybody. I've seen tons of resumes from people who we brought in who worked at a grocery store or menial job in their country. They were brought in on their own, not student visas or with family where one of the members was something we needed. There was no need to bring them in.

What we have now in the job market is tons and tons of unskilled workers who are all fighting for a handful of fast food and entry level jobs. Then the claim is that "they do the jobs Canadian's won't do" which is complete bullshit. Those jobs were meant for students to introduce them to the workforce, teach them responsibility and give the 16 year old kid a chance to save up for a car. Those opportunities don't exist for most of them now and they'll leave high school with minimum funds and then go plunge themselves in debt with student loans.

IS not that bullshit when in 2022/23 no local wanted to work and there was a shortage of workers and they expanded visas. Now it might a surpluss but it will take time to adjust and visa measures had been taken in all levels. Is harder to have student visas, it is harder for partners from students to get visas and conditions for visas had hardened across the board since May 2024. You can't bring immigration when is needed and then get rid of them when you see fit when they have a life in canada

The doctors and nurses is absurd how stringent always Canada had been like doctors and nurses from europe are not good enough and they have to study heaps to get certified in canada
 
Question for the moderators (or moderator): why was this post deemed worthy of a ban?

I don't think it's ban worthy, but I also think the post is unquestionably xenophobic and thinly disguised as "Canada was great until these brown people showed up".

For what it's worth, the idea of Canada in the past having been a cultural mosaic as the poster described is rather ludicrous. Visible minorities were 11% of Canada's population in 1996. In 2021 that number was 22%. It's much more a mosaic today than ever before. The poster is simply upset that some cherry picked video of NYE celebrations didn't look, demographically, the way I suppose they look where he now lives in Poland.
 
So apparently Mark Carney will attempt to be Trudeau's replacement for the liberals.


Always thought him to talk a lot of sense at BOE, he never minced his words around the consequences of the politics of the day. Does he have any standing with the Canadian public?
 
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Immigration is definitely needed, but it needs to be done properly and the right people need to be brought in. Canada should be a choice destination and we should be selective on who we bring in which clearly hasn't happened.

I run a nationwide staffing company and I'm pretty knowledgeable about what we need and what we have in terms of workers. We 100% need Doctors, Nurses (most young nurses are choosing to work in the US) and Skilled Trades. These are the people we should be targeting and bringing in because we need them and we don't have them. A success story would be we brought in tons of Pipefitters from the Philippines who are phenomenal workers and highly skilled. Under Trudeau's reckless immigration rules which he, in a roundabout way, admitted he made a mistake, we brought in anybody and everybody. I've seen tons of resumes from people who we brought in who worked at a grocery store or menial job in their country. They were brought in on their own, not student visas or with family where one of the members was something we needed. There was no need to bring them in.

What we have now in the job market is tons and tons of unskilled workers who are all fighting for a handful of fast food and entry level jobs. Then the claim is that "they do the jobs Canadian's won't do" which is complete bullshit. Those jobs were meant for students to introduce them to the workforce, teach them responsibility and give the 16 year old kid a chance to save up for a car. Those opportunities don't exist for most of them now and they'll leave high school with minimum funds and then go plunge themselves in debt with student loans.

The doctor situation is quite iffy in Canada. It’s very difficult to get into training in Canada even as a Canadian (So much so that many Canadians end up going to the U.S. for post grad) but that’s because of the very limited number of training spots so there’s no real way to get around that.

However after training, even when you’ve completed a speciality/sub speciality in a country where the training is recognised, like say the UK or Australia, there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through to be able to work in Canada, and it’s very expensive and takes quite a long time. If they actually want to do something about that doctor shortage then they need to make it more straightforward for doctors to come into the system.
 
So apparently Mark Carney will attempt to be Trudeau's replacement for the liberals.


Always thought him to talk a lot of sense at BOE, he never minced his words around the consequences of the politics of the day. Does he have any standing with the Canadian public?
I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.
Even among people who are familiar with his resume I think there's still an element of "let's see what you've got".
 
I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.
Even among people who are familiar with his resume I think there's still an element of "let's see what you've got".
Thanks!
 
I don't think it's ban worthy, but I also think the post is unquestionably xenophobic and thinly disguised as "Canada was great until these brown people showed up".

For what it's worth, the idea of Canada in the past having been a cultural mosaic as the poster described is rather ludicrous. Visible minorities were 11% of Canada's population in 1996. In 2021 that number was 22%. It's much more a mosaic today than ever before. The poster is simply upset that some cherry picked video of NYE celebrations didn't look, demographically, the way I suppose they look where he now lives in Poland.
Overall, speaking personally, I would agree with that. Also, there was no ban, just a warning that led to a points total that automatically triggered a temporary ban.
So apparently Mark Carney will attempt to be Trudeau's replacement for the liberals.

Always thought him to talk a lot of sense at BOE, he never minced his words around the consequences of the politics of the day. Does he have any standing with the Canadian public?
I think the real question is whether he has standing with a putative Poilievre voter because that's who he has to win over. On that front I'd say probably not, and he'll have to manufacture an image and message that resonates with these people. If his declaration of candidacy yesterday is anything to go by he has a long way to go.
Even among people who are familiar with his resume I think there's still an element of "let's see what you've got".
I would say that Carney has a lot of standing and will be seen as having authority on economic issues - unlike Trudeau, for that matter. As such, he might be real threat to Poilievre, as a lot of his appeal is likely exactly in that area. Carney won't be winning over any ardent Poilievre supporters, but might reverse some of the loss of Liberal voters to the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois. Nowhere near enough though; the best any new Liberal leader can hope for, is to stop the Liberal freefall and maybe prevent the Conversatives from winning a majority.
The doctor situation is quite iffy in Canada. It’s very difficult to get into training in Canada even as a Canadian (So much so that many Canadians end up going to the U.S. for post grad) but that’s because of the very limited number of training spots so there’s no real way to get around that.

However after training, even when you’ve completed a speciality/sub speciality in a country where the training is recognised, like say the UK or Australia, there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through to be able to work in Canada, and it’s very expensive and takes quite a long time. If they actually want to do something about that doctor shortage then they need to make it more straightforward for doctors to come into the system.
CBC had an article on that just today exactly: Canada has a doctor shortage, but thousands of foreign-trained physicians already here still face barriers (CBC.ca). As it says, there are thousands for foreign-trained doctors in Canada that aren't working in health care because of those stringent requirements (and the bureaucracy around them).
Did Trudeau end up proroguing Parliament for two months?
Yes. As much as there are also counter-arguments (just do new elections now), it also kinda makes sense, because he resigned as leader of the party and he couldn't reasonably stay on as a lame-duck PM. So he prorogued parliament to give the Liberals a chance to choose a new leader, who will lead government when parliament resumes.