Canadian Politics

FriedClams said:
The income sprinkling change came into effect in 2018. I remember at the time basically every doctor in Canada united against it, telling Morneau that it was awful, so your comment about them not realizing it would affect doctors isn’t accurate, they just didn’t care.
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Ah, sorry, I had completely forgotten about that. The capital gains thing was a proposal from Budget 2024 I think, that's what I was referring to.

It seems the 2017/18 measure didn't impact doctors unreasonably btw, if I read things like https://mdtax.ca/blog/physicians/how-the-income-sprinkling-splitting-rules-impact-physicians/ and https://www.capstonellp.ca/2018/06/19/impact-tosi-income-sprinkling-rules-canadian-small-business/ correctly. I'm also not sure if closing a tax loophole is leftist as such - but yeah, it is certainly seen that way if it results in people paying more tax.
You seem like a lovely person from some posts I’ve read, but there is a common theme where you refuse to admit when you’re wrong.
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Of course, that only applies here if it's certain that you are right. It's always a problematic argument in any discussion.
You Initially led with Trudeau loving the middle class, but when presented with some facts that show it not to be the case, you tried to cover it up saying they underestimated how many groups would be affected…
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The lead of all was you saying he hates the middle class; but either way, 'the middle class' has been Trudeau's mantra since his first election. Or more specifically, 'the middle class and those that are looking to join them', or some such phrase. Claiming I'm wrong on that just means you haven't followed Canadian political discourse. Or you're claiming that Trudeau says that but actually has acted completely opposite to it. There is no evidence he likes the lower classes, so I guess he just likes the rich then? (He does like hanging out with them!)
and basically the middle class suffered the most after that Morneau bill came into effect. There are seriously far too many examples of Trudeau making economic decisions that would be considered leftist for me to list, so I will leave the discussion by saying that my intended comment of him being wayyyy too far left was more on the “wokism” side of things, rather than economical/financial et al.
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We have had two actual leftist economic decisions so far (income sprinkling and capital gains tax). If that's 'too many to list', then you are not arguing seriously and I'm very happy to bow out.

I'll anyway take a break, I don't mean to dominate the thread. Others can chime in with their own perspectives. However:
FriedClams said:
Are you Canadian or just moved there?
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How is that mutually exclusive? It's a strange question, especially in a time when only about 75% of people living in Canada are Canadian citizens by birth.
 
Cheimoon said:
Ah, sorry, I had completely forgotten about that. The capital gains thing was a proposal from Budget 2024 I think, that's what I was referring to.

It seems the 2017/18 measure didn't impact doctors unreasonably btw, if I read things like https://mdtax.ca/blog/physicians/how-the-income-sprinkling-splitting-rules-impact-physicians/ and https://www.capstonellp.ca/2018/06/19/impact-tosi-income-sprinkling-rules-canadian-small-business/ correctly. I'm also not sure if closing a tax loophole is leftist as such - but yeah, it is certainly seen that way if it results in people paying more tax.

Of course, that only applies here if it's certain that you are right. It's always a problematic argument in any discussion.

The lead of all was you saying he hates the middle class; but either way, 'the middle class' has been Trudeau's mantra since his first election. Or more specifically, 'the middle class and those that are looking to join them', or some such phrase. Claiming I'm wrong on that just means you haven't followed Canadian political discourse. Or you're claiming that Trudeau says that but actually has acted completely opposite to it. There is no evidence he likes the lower classes, so I guess he just likes the rich then? (He does like hanging out with them!)

We have had two actual leftist economic decisions so far (income sprinkling and capital gains tax). If that's 'too many to list', then you are not arguing seriously and I'm very happy to bow out.

I'll anyway take a break, I don't mean to dominate the thread. Others can chime in with their own perspectives. However:

How is that mutually exclusive? It's a strange question, especially in a time when only about 75% of people living in Canada are Canadian citizens by birth.
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I find that usually when people move to a new country, they pick a side pretty easily and stick to it no matter what.
 
FriedClams said:
I find that usually when people move to a new country, they pick a side pretty easily and stick to it no matter what.
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Well, I'm Canadian and also an immigrant. And don't know what you're thinking, but I'm no fan of Trudeau's.

I also have to laugh when you call me stubborn, while you've so far refused to give any examples of Trudeau's economic leftism (the one that did come up was in response to an example I gave). So I'm stubborn for not just believing you? Well then.

(Environmentalism isn't economic, and I explained why, in economic terms, the immigrant point isn't what you think it is for Canada.)
 
Cheimoon said:
Well, I'm Canadian and also an immigrant. And don't know what you're thinking, but I'm no fan of Trudeau's.

I also have to laugh when you call me stubborn, while you've so far refused to give any examples of Trudeau's economic leftism (the one that did come up was in response to an example I gave). So I'm stubborn for not just believing you? Well then.

(Environmentalism isn't economic, and I explained why, in economic terms, the immigrant point isn't what you think it is for Canada.)
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Hey, I didn’t call you stubborn, in fact I said you seem like a lovely person :)
 
FriedClams said:
Hey, I didn’t call you stubborn, in fact I said you seem like a lovely person :)
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That's nice indeed, but then how would you describe in one word someone who 'refuses to admit when they're wrong'? ;)

Anyway, I did say I'd let go, since I'm already way too present in this thread and of course I don't speak for all of Canada. Let's page @Dr. Dwayne, who hates Trudeau - and was even born in Canada, which is apparently worth more to an American in this discussion...?
 
Despite living in Canada, I don't have a good grasp of its politics. Or at least not as much as in other countries. Trudeau strikes me as left leaning socially and right leaning in economics. But I am more than happy to learn if I am wrong
 
4bars said:
Despite living in Canada, I don't have a good grasp of its politics. Or at least not as much as in other countries. Trudeau strikes me as left leaning socially and right leaning in economics. But I am more than happy to learn if I am wrong
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that seems about right

I'd say he's left socially and fiscally centrist
 
Cheimoon said:
That's nice indeed, but then how would you describe in one word someone who 'refuses to admit when they're wrong'? ;)

Anyway, I did say I'd let go, since I'm already way too present in this thread and of course I don't speak for all of Canada. Let's page @Dr. Dwayne, who hates Trudeau - and was even born in Canada, which is apparently worth more to an American in this discussion...?
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Helllo! I'm originally from the Prairies where the Liberal party is almost universally hated and the Trudeau's even more so.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
By book collection I am a bigger communist than @nimic so NEP only has one meaning for me, unless you meant to type NDP?
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National Energy Plan done by Papa Trudeau and that took you filthy Albertians from abject poverty or it was the opposite?
 
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