Caf is dying.

[WeasteDevil]

Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>ps. While I'm "in the zone" its worth adding that even if we win roxy for the remainder of SAF's reign, no one has the right to give that man any stick whatsoever.

Never forget what's he's done for this club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed 100%

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

But most people want a Ronaldinio (or however you spell the curly haired git's name), which will cost a lot of money. Do we have it?

Strangely enough, many that call for him slate Verón and Forlan, yet then pray that we get another South American. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

hahaha.. totally.. i agree..

but this ronaldinho (that's how it's spelled) chap does have the magic in his game and he's got the pace. after maybe having made a mistake with Veron in the EPL i think the fans made serious evaluation before suggesting the git's name. i'm sure they did a lot of research.

i only doubt one thing in ronaldinho, and it's the loyalty he'll have for us.. i don't want a gloryhunter on the field.

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>ps. While I'm "in the zone" its worth adding that even if we win roxy for the remainder of SAF's reign, no one has the right to give that man any stick whatsoever.

Never forget what's he's done for this club.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i think you're spot on there and i don't see how anyone can argue with you on that point.

 

[WeasteDevil]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


ah-ha, in-fighting!

davo, our subtle ruse has succeeded.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right your turn now! You %"·$%¿ }^]&ª/ nuct.

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>

my advise to you FMTM is never to bend over and take off your pants in front of the poo fans.. they'll go at your behind like riding their favourite horse.
</strong><hr></blockquote>


what the devil planet are you on now?

nobody even mentioned van nistelrooy. . .

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


what the devil planet are you on now?

nobody even mentioned van nistelrooy. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

that's the funniest thing i've heard all night.. this thread is too serious..

but then i guess bazalini was right about you.. you'll never be mentioned in the same breath as davo, softlad or nate.. probably because you make too many jokes and never get to serious banter business.

 

[farawaylands]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>
have some faith in this team mate. we will be on top of the problems in no time, it's just difficult because of all the injuries.</strong><hr></blockquote>

"We have one or two injuries but that is too easy an excuse to use."
Roy Keane. Apparently he isn't the hopeful dogmatist you suggest we be.

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

that's the funniest thing i've heard all night.. this thread is too serious..

but then i guess bazalini was right about you.. you'll never be mentioned in the same breath as davo, softlad or nate.. probably because you make too many jokes and never get to serious banter business.</strong><hr></blockquote>

feck.

you're as weird as baz.

i underestimated you.

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by farawaylands:
<strong>

"We have one or two injuries but that is too easy an excuse to use."
Roy Keane. Apparently he isn't the hopeful dogmatist you suggest we be.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i know, and i agree with him. i also agree we should let atleast a super star go.. but it won't be fair to say who until the injuries are done with.. only then will it be clearer who should be sold.

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>

feck.

you're as weird as baz.

i underestimated you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

look, you're just an abusive fan. you pack your bags everytime serious debates happen. you are quick to agree with a lot of United fans on a lot of things as though you were a United fan in the closet.. are you waiting to see who wins the EPL this year before making your final decision on who you'll support?

 

[RUnited]

not to mention that you spend most of your time on the internet in this forum.

if you want to be a serious scoushit fan, then atleast be like davo.. insist on your hatred for united, find every excuse to dis us.

you're too soft is my opinion.

 

[farawaylands]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>

look, you're just an abusive fan. you pack your bags everytime serious debates happen. you are quick to agree with a lot of United fans on a lot of things as though you were a United fan in the closet.. are you waiting to see who wins the EPL this year before making your final decision on who you'll support? </strong><hr></blockquote>

listen, i think you fail to realize that liverpool fans and manchester united fans can agree on certain points. a few points that need to be agreed upon:
liverpool are AHEAD of us on the table, and it finished that way last year.
liverpool are OUT of the champions league.

the liverpool fans agree with the second point, why can't we agree with the first one and realize that all isn't dandy. oh wait, you said all isn't dandy didn't you? but you said it wasn't the players fault. then whose fault is it? fergies? no, we have to have complete trust and faith in him. now i'm not blaiming anyone in the united camp here. i merely believe you should rethink some of your arguements here. why can't MOM agree with us on certain points? the "truth" doesn't have a united stamp on it...

 

[farawaylands]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>not to mention that you spend most of your time on the internet in this forum.

if you want to be a serious scoushit fan, then atleast be like davo.. insist on your hatred for united, find every excuse to dis us.

you're too soft is my opinion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

this isn't a fecking saturday night aggro! it's a forum....we can joke around and shit, but basically we are talking about reasonable things and trying to use some logic...davo does a good job using sarcasm and satire...he kicks ass, he completly ripped you apart in this thread. face it. MOM might not be as sassy as him, so what?

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>not to mention that you spend most of your time on the internet in this forum.

if you want to be a serious scoushit fan, then atleast be like davo.. insist on your hatred for united, find every excuse to dis us.

you're too soft is my opinion.</strong><hr></blockquote>


ok, make your mind up fecknut. . .your post above, i'm abusive, this one you think i'm too soft?

so far, your football knowledge appears to be of the depth that could be hand written on the back of a postage stamp. . .your entire counter-argument to both davo and myself was based on the bizarre premise that manyoo made "mistakes" last season which itself rests on the concept that no other team made any mistakes and performed to their optimum levels all season. one minute you're saying that certain "superstars" should be sold, the next your club is still the best thing since sliced hovis and you're merely going through a very temprorary 18-month blip.

ok, brass tacks. . .i think you've not been following football very long and you're still trying to get your head around the finer points, hence the constant u-turns and borderline schizophrenia. . .you probably think that 'maracana' is a type of nut, and that eric cantona was the first manyoo player to be nicknamed 'the king'.

i'm no closet manyoo fan, i just know so much about football that i know more about manyoo than many supposed manyoo fans as a result.

btw, i have a liverpool f.c. tattoo on my left bicep and a tattoo of dixie dean (ask your dad) on my right forearm.

one of the above paragraphs is total bullshit. which do you think it is?

 

[Lynott]

Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"becks is also trying very hard, but we know he's best doing jobs out wide. giggs on the other hand, doesn't seem to like his new position and doesn't look like he's trying hard to make it either.. so either we use them where they should really play, or we replace them."

The problem is not that becks and giggs can`t play in the middle, the problem is that all our players are in the middle while there is nobody out wide. Either becks and giggs must stay wide, which they don`t do for some reason or there has to be better movement in the team. For example if becks moves inside veron should go wide. This just don`t work, because all our players stay in the middle. Strange that they can`t do that, it even worked for England last year between Becks and Gerrad.</strong><hr></blockquote>


No, Beckham should f**king stay out on the right wing and get as many balls into the box in 90 mins as is possible. Like he used to and get this idea of playing in the middle out of his head until we have somebody else out on the right wing who can go past players or cross a ball as well as he can.

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by farawaylands:
<strong>

listen, i think you fail to realize that liverpool fans and manchester united fans can agree on certain points. a few points that need to be agreed upon:
liverpool are AHEAD of us on the table, and it finished that way last year.
liverpool are OUT of the champions league.

the liverpool fans agree with the second point, why can't we agree with the first one and realize that all isn't dandy. oh wait, you said all isn't dandy didn't you? but you said it wasn't the players fault. then whose fault is it? fergies? no, we have to have complete trust and faith in him. now i'm not blaiming anyone in the united camp here. i merely believe you should rethink some of your arguements here. why can't MOM agree with us on certain points? the "truth" doesn't have a united stamp on it...</strong><hr></blockquote>

i do agree with certain things. i do agree that liverpool are a strong team - but i don't agree they are the best as they think they are. and yes, i honestly think we can take them over reverting to 4-4-2. but as SAF doesn't see it as a sound long term plan, we will take our time to get back at them.

i said the team's tactics maybe undermining the productivity of the team. of coz SAF have to take some responsibility for it. for one if he insists on this tactic then some players should be sold. maybe even giggs who clearly hasn't been up to the new formation we play in.

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by farawaylands:
<strong>

this isn't a fecking saturday night aggro! it's a forum....we can joke around and shit, but basically we are talking about reasonable things and trying to use some logic...davo does a good job using sarcasm and satire...he kicks ass, he completly ripped you apart in this thread. face it. MOM might not be as sassy as him, so what?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i don't think he ripped me apart.. if he did then it's because i'm not good at debating. as i admitted, i spill a lot of craqp, but i will continue to believe what i believe. a few of the United fans came in to join the thread and Davo went AWOL - as i believe he has been as soon as 3-4 of the United fans get on his back about how liverpool are just not good enough.

 

[RUnited]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


one of the above paragraphs is total bullshit. which do you think it is?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i said you were abusive because you have been getting abusive unreasonably. i wouldnt mind having more intellect talks, but it's hard when you start to get off track and call out names.

i said you were soft because you don't make solid arguments to help your cause. you could learn a thing or two from Davo. so many of us call you a United in the closet because of this trait of yours.. want to get rid of it? try a different approach in your posts.

which paragraph do i think was bullshit? i think all of it was - just as all your other threads. since i've joined the forum i've gotten so many crap about how i'm full of it, but atleast i'm a United fan.. i'm full of it because i have a lot of ideas in my head that's kind of difficult to be expressed in short posts. so i go on about it for centuries.

so you have a dixie dean tattoo on your arm so what? means you're gay now? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> i'm only kidding about this one, so don't get serious - just like how you've been making jokes, so i do expect you to get this one as well.

overall, i agree with you that i'm a young fan and don't know much about football, but it shouldn't stop me from sharing my ideas or atleast protect the team i support for the way i support it. i honestly feel every bit of what i said. and i honestly think United are capable of being better than you lot.

we had 2 good months and we finished 1 position behind you and only 2-3 points off. you needed 8 good months to finish over us. that says a lot about our potential and yours.

 

[RUnited]

i insist, when we click we'll take both the EPL and the CL by storm. we have seen it all happened before. if things don't click you can all have a go at me for all my bullshit - but if we do, be sure to be here to hear all my laughters.

even when Liverpool click, best they can do is 2nd in the EPL and the semi's of the CL.. they won't make it further next year.. and the year after.. it'll be atleast 3 years.. and by that time they'll find only the dirt we left behind for our trails.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>rather than moaning.....

why don't people come up with suggestions?


whats wrong with replacing the likes of Becks and Giggs, Livvie?


or even ole?</strong><hr></blockquote>


I already said that the team needs strengthening - that a lot of the current players may find themselves on the sidelines more in the future.

But players who want to stay, and are still capable of being good quality back up, shouldn't be discarded.

What's the point, as we would still have to bring in players to replace them - we need an in depth squad, and are you saying that Becks, Ole, Giggs etc. wouldn't be good enough for that anymore??

And as I already said this, I have made a suggestion.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>If the caf is dying it's because of ott drama queen threads like this.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bollox Dans.

What's OTT is the idiots who are saying we should get rid of most of the team, before seeing how things pan out when the injury crisis is over.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


I already said that the team needs strengthening - that a lot of the current players may find themselves on the sidelines more in the future.

But players who want to stay, and are still capable of being good quality back up, shouldn't be discarded.

What's the point, as we would still have to bring in players to replace them - we need an in depth squad, and are you saying that Becks, Ole, Giggs etc. wouldn't be good enough for that anymore??

And as I already said this, I have made a suggestion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i never said they should be sold...


what i did say is that we should buy players who can do a better job in their postions...


which you will agree, is, not a bad idea.. no?

 

[Lynott]

Christ, this 'Davo your so funny' thread is getting a little bit cringy.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

i never said they should be sold...


what i did say is that we should buy players who can do a better job in their postions...


which you will agree, is, not a bad idea.. no?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well as I already said much the same several posts ago, I don't know why you bothered to ask.

 

[Neil Thomson]

I don't go alont with the idea of keeping players like Giggs until they retire as backups, if they've lost their hunger and have a high but decreasing market value. If we did that our squad value would depreciate rapidly and since we've little money to spend, we need to operate a one in one out policy, which in case you haven't noticed, we have been doing recently, only the players we've let go we've not got much for, while those we've bought we've been ripped off over.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

Well as I already said much the same several posts ago, I don't know why you bothered to ask.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ok......


name some player who you'd like us to buy????/

and which postions need strengthening?

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I don't go alont with the idea of keeping players like Giggs until they retire as backups, if they've lost their hunger and have a high but decreasing market value. If we did that our squad value would depreciate rapidly and since we've little money to spend, we need to operate a one in one out policy, which in case you haven't noticed, we have been doing recently, only the players we've let go we've not got much for, while those we've bought we've been ripped off over.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so you'd like us to weaken the squad even further????


you cant make whole sale changes....its about fazing out older players.....

TBH becks is the only one we'd get big money for... (can't see Scholes leaving)

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

ok......


name some player who you'd like us to buy????/

and which postions need strengthening?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Gudjohnsen, Defoe, or Henrik Larsson.

Damien Duff, which isn't going to happen. I've even changed my mind about Lee Bowyer.

And LB/RB cover.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


Gudjohnsen, Defoe, or Henrik Larsson.

Damien Duff, which isn't going to happen. I've even changed my mind about Lee Bowyer.

And LB/RB cover.</strong><hr></blockquote>

three strikers, liv!!

we've got Ole, Ruud and Diego..i think we only need one more...

duff, i agree with, altho, i'd get the two spanish wingers...and one forward.


sorry you said 'or'

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

three strikers, liv!!

we've got Ole, Ruud and Diego..i think we only need one more...

duff, i agree with, altho, i'd get the two spanish wingers...and one forward.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wasn't suggesting all of them! Just offering a selection, tho I wouldn't say no to 2.

I'd love to see Larsson here.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

Bollox Dans.

What's OTT is the idiots who are saying we should get rid of most of the team, before seeing how things pan out when the injury crisis is over.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It happened last year, it's happening now, it'll happen next year. Let it ride. Doesn't mean "the caf is dying".

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

It happened last year, it's happening now, it'll happen next year. Let it ride. Doesn't mean "the caf is dying".</strong><hr></blockquote>


So what's wrong with a topic suggesting that we support the team??

And the caf is dying comment came because I've spoken to a few of the older, regular posters who don't enjoy it any more and can't be bothered to post because it's been taken over by doom merchants.

I apologise for the subject heading.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

so you'd like us to weaken the squad even further????


you cant make whole sale changes....its about fazing out older players.....

TBH becks is the only one we'd get big money for... (can't see Scholes leaving)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Letting the players stay here until they retire, losing their desire and ability more and more would be to weaken the squad, and fall into Liverpool's trap. Irwin managed it, but I think he'll be the exception. It simple business sense to sell players while you can still get good money for them, which is what I think the Stam and Cole sales were. What would make sense is to sell players that we've got talented youth to replace (like we did with Kanchelskis and Beckham, perhaps Richardson should be given the chance), and to sell players that have high value but little return, like Veron, for younger and cheaper players who have a lot of potential, like that Vicente you've mentioned, or Castroman.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


So what's wrong with a topic suggesting that we support the team??

And the caf is dying comment came because I've spoken to a few of the older, regular posters who don't enjoy it any more and can't be bothered to post because it's been taken over by doom merchants.

I apologise for the subject heading.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think it wouldn't be taken over if they didn't give up so easily and instead posted positive threads and posts (rather than just attacking the 'muppets').

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Letting the players stay here until they retire, losing their desire and ability more and more would be to weaken the squad, and fall into Liverpool's trap. Irwin managed it, but I think he'll be the exception. It simple business sense to sell players while you can still get good money for them, which is what I think the Stam and Cole sales were. What would make sense is to sell players that we've got talented youth to replace (like we did with Kanchelskis and Beckham, perhaps Richardson should be given the chance), and to sell players that have high value but little return, like Veron, for younger and cheaper players who have a lot of potential, like that Vicente you've mentioned, or Castroman.</strong><hr></blockquote>

nah... i'd keep them for a couple of more years, who knows sitting on the sidelines may give them the kick up the backsides they need.. FFS giggs is only 28! ....29 next month.

re Stam: that was a mistake, nothing to do with good business, hell, we haven't even received the cash yet..


veron, becks, scholes and ruud are the only players we'd get big money for.... ginger and ruud are priceless for us, while the other two aren't.


we should buy young...players that are around 18-22... eventually they'll take over the older stars

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

nah... i'd keep them for a couple of more years, who knows sitting on the sidelines may give them the kick up the backsides they need.. FFS giggs is only 28! ....29 next month.

re Stam: that was a mistake, nothing to do with good business, hell, we haven't even received the cash yet..


veron, becks, scholes and ruud are the only players we'd get big money for.... ginger and ruud are priceless for us, while the other two aren't.


we should buy young...players that are around 18-22... eventually they'll take over the older stars</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep 'em on the sidelines and their resale value will decrease, and with regards to Giggs, who's injured a lot of the time and losing his pace because of it (the stated reason for selling Stam), and it just makes good business sense, particularly if as you say he can be replaced with someone 18-22 who's cheaper, thus allowing another player to be bought with the left over money and increasing the size of our squad.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Keep 'em on the sidelines and their resale value will decrease, and with regards to Giggs, who's injured a lot of the time and losing his pace because of it (the stated reason for selling Stam), and it just makes good business sense, particularly if as you say he can be replaced with someone 18-22 who's cheaper, thus allowing another player to be bought with the left over money and increasing the size of our squad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes but replacing him would mean we'd have to buy two players..

money talks, yes...but i think it would be silly to sell players that bleed red.

and IMO giggs, nevilles, butt and co are true reds...and you can't buy that.

by all means buy young players...iam all for that...but we shouldn't completely massacre the squad, which will be more damaging than keeping them.

BTW selling cole and stam was good business eh?? come on, if stam was around last year, we would't have had such a poor start, selling cole was another mistake, (we could have done with him this season!!), just like not giving teddy a two year contract was....


great to have money in the bank..but you can't replace players that know the club inside out... that takes time.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

yes but replacing him would mean we'd have to buy two players..

money talks, yes...but i think it would be silly to sell players that bleed red.

and IMO giggs, nevilles, butt and co are true reds...and you can't buy that.

by all means buy young players...iam all for that...but we shouldn't completely massacre the squad, which will be more damaging than keeping them.

BTW selling cole and stam was good business eh?? come on, if stam was around last year, we would't have had such a poor start, selling cole was another mistake, (we could have done with him this season!!), just like not giving teddy a two year contract was....


great to have money in the bank..but you can't replace players that know the club inside out... that takes time.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggzy, why are we in full agreement? Tho I'm not sure about Cole. I agree we could have done with him - but he wanted to be top dog. If he didn't play every game, he'd have been an unhappy player, so would we have got the best from him?

<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

Giggzy, why are we in full agreement? Tho I'm not sure about Cole. I agree we could have done with him - but he wanted to be top dog. If he didn't play every game, he'd have been an unhappy player, so would we have got the best from him?

<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

i think Cole would have played his fair share.. he's a very underrated player IMO.. creates alot of space upfront with his movement.. which we've lacked since he left..


agreement? yep tis scary....

i think we need a good balance, we're not a selling club after all, so why should we suffer like the Ajax's of this world.. I still think the likes of giggs can do a job, if they aren't performing, they'll be on the bench and replaced with younger players.... but there's no guarantee that the new players will fit in! especially in a team thats going through a transitional period.. i think it'll take three years to turn around, with the old guard playing their part..

we should buy good young talent... and bring them in slowly.


(and not the Larssons of this world )

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

i think Cole would have played his fair share..

</strong><hr></blockquote>

But not enough for him possibly.

And as for Larsson - if we're talking short-term buys, I'd rather see him here than Di Canio.

The DM said today that Chelsea have more or less said Gudjohnsen can go.

Puzzling that - he and JFH were great together last year. Why is Eidur out of favour?