Caf is dying.

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But not enough for him possibly.

And as for Larsson - if we're talking short-term buys, I'd rather see him here than Di Canio.

The DM said today that Chelsea have more or less said Gudjohnsen can go.

Puzzling that - he and JFH were great together last year. Why is Eidur out of favour?</strong><hr></blockquote>

For short term... like for this season, i'd get PDC.. he's the type of player we need, for the system we play... Larssons ok, Ole's better than him....

TBH i don't know why Eidurs rated so highy.. he's a good player.. but i've not been overly impressed by him...
 
I think it’s really premature to think about having a mass clear-out. One of the great strengths of United has been that most of the players have been together for such a long time and they know each other's game inside out. It can take a long time for ONE player to settle into a team, much less 5 or 6. With a mass exodus, you’d have to be willing to write off a couple of years. Why should we take such drastic action when making one or two changes might do the trick?

But more than that, for those of you who want to totally re-build, don't you feel any loyalty to the players who have won us so many trophies? I'm not talking about blind loyalty. Being an athlete can be brutal. When your time is up and your body is past it, there’s no place to hide. But most of our players are in their prime. They are nowhere near past it. They're simply not playing well. There's a huge difference between the two. Think about all the wonderful years the players have given us…all the unforgettable memories. Are you willing to discard the core of this team simply because they’ve played badly for THREE months? That seems incredibly harsh to me.

When you look at our home grown players, the core of this team…they share a history/camaraderie/bond that is rare in football today. That has been the source of our success these last few years. I don’t think we should toss all of that aside so easily.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong>I think it’s really premature to think about having a mass clear-out. One of the great strengths of United has been that most of the players have been together for such a long time and they know each other's game inside out. It can take a long time for ONE player to settle into a team, much less 5 or 6. With a mass exodus, you’d have to be willing to write off a couple of years. Why should we take such drastic action when making one or two changes might do the trick?

But more than that, for those of you who want to totally re-build, don't you feel any loyalty to the players who have won us so many trophies? I'm not talking about blind loyalty. Being an athlete can be brutal. When your time is up and your body is past it, there’s no place to hide. But most of our players are in their prime. They are nowhere near past it. They're simply not playing well. There's a huge difference between the two. Think about all the wonderful years the players have given us…all the unforgettable memories. Are you willing to discard the core of this team simply because they’ve played badly for THREE months? That seems incredibly harsh to me.

When you look at our home grown players, the core of this team…they share a history/camaraderie/bond that is rare in football today. That has been the source of our success these last few years. I don’t think we should toss all of that aside so easily.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:cool:
 
No mass clear out is necessary. I remain a firm believer in the rotation system and that it keeps the players hungry. We simply need more quality players.

No one can say that the 4 striker system did not make our strikers sharper. When there was always someone waiting in the wings to step in if they did not perform, they performed. It's the same for every single position. It's no coincidence that we're not scoring and that we have just 3 strikers.

Quality cover and the rotation system. No need for a mass clear out.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But not enough for him possibly.

And as for Larsson - if we're talking short-term buys, I'd rather see him here than Di Canio.

The DM said today that Chelsea have more or less said Gudjohnsen can go.

Puzzling that - he and JFH were great together last year. Why is Eidur out of favour?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i'm not surprised, look at the way zola is playing this year. i understand that Zola is gettin very old, but i've heard that Eidur demands first place, so he's been given permission to leave for a requested price.

Besides, aren't Chelsea in some kind of financial trouble? Since JFH isn't leaving anymore it leaves only Eidur as the only option to generate cash.

Ranieri also said at the beginning of the season that he thought Eidur was overweight.. maybe they're thinkin he's not a hard enough worker.

i like him though, but i have also seen him play a few times this season, and TBH he hasn't been as sharp.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>i think Cole would have played his fair share.. he's a very underrated player IMO.. creates alot of space upfront with his movement.. which we've lacked since he left..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cole's departure has had a big effect in my opinion too.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>All this talk of shipping out players like Beckham, Giggs, Ole, Gary Neville, Barthez, and even Keane.

All players who have served us well and aren't exactly past their sell by dates.

The team has been decimated by injuries all season, and so it's really impossible to judge any of these players who have been performing, in the main, in weakened sides. We've all been "guilty" of saying what's wrong, and where things can be improved. But that's a lot different to demanding wholesale destruction of the team.

Call yourselves supporters? You don't know the meaning of the word. Especially as we have to rely on them until January at least, and even then there won't be that many changes. I'm sure they would all be very encouraged if they looked at this site.

No wonder a lot of caf regulars have disappeared - and there will be a lot more whilst the muppets have taken over.</strong><hr></blockquote>


a lot of people here are just spoiled with success, they have forgotten or never known how to support their (a) team. critisism is basicly a good thing and it is needed to progress, but a lot of posts here have nothing to do with critisism of that kind. some people think that money can buy you anything........
 
Originally posted by pelu:
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some people think that money can buy you anything........</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's called "CM" disease ;)
 
Hmm, I have to reluctantly admit now that there does seem to be some problem going on with Giggsy at Manchester United.

As some people have pointed out, he has been demoted in the captain/vice-captain pecking order and Sir Alex has not come out and made any statements defending him or saying he is not one of the players who need to think about their future at United.

But is Giggsy really complaining about playing somewhere else on the pitch and not trying hard enough? I don`t go to Old Trafford or any other matches in person and the tv doesn`t often show the full extent of a game. Is Giggsy showing he does not care or is he just being inconsistent this season?

While I think weastedevil usually has relevant points to make, I don`t agree with the comment about Redondo. I thought the selling of that player, who was loyal and committed to Real Madrid, against his will and under such sudden and secretive circumstances, smacked of the f === ruthlessness of Real Madrid.

Sometimes ruthlessness can be good but Real Madrid`s president has a history of showing no loyalty to coaching or playing staff. He is an arsehole and I would hate Manchester United to behave in some of the ways that Real Madrid`s powers that be have.
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>While I think weastedevil usually has relevant points to make, I don`t agree with the comment about Redondo. I thought the selling of that player, who was loyal and committed to Real Madrid, against his will and under such sudden and secretive circumstances, smacked of the f === ruthlessness of Real Madrid.

Sometimes ruthlessness can be good but Real Madrid`s president has a history of showing no loyalty to coaching or playing staff. He is an arsehole and I would hate Manchester United to behave in some of the ways that Real Madrid`s powers that be have.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But did selling Redondo improve Real Madrid as a club? I still say that it did, and it is the club we should all be thinking about. People seem to fear Real Madrid now much more than thy did in 199/2000.

And Real Madrid would have not been able to make any use of a Redondo sitting on the bench for two years with an injury either.

Players come and players go, it's a fact of football life. Neil is right, we shouldn't keep players until they are almost at retiring age and then let them go on a free, when if sold three or four years beforehand would have provided the cash to buy young replacement players.

It's like any business, players have a depreciation value just like machines in a factory. Yet you still get blokes like Fred Dibbna reminising about crying his eyes out when Big Bertha the steam engine was ripped out of the cotton mill for scrap to be replaced by a computerised electcal generator. It's a very romantic attitude that is to be commended, but it's not very sensible is it?