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Maluco said:
For all the study and analysis of Real and how they so consistently manage to win the CL and how that mentality as a club contributes towards that, Dortmund seriously need to be studied for the opposite reason.

That collapse last season in the league was absolutely woeful and the door was open again tonight, only for them to finish 2nd once again.

Maybe it’s the focus on young players, or maybe it’s a lack of belief that they can win the big prizes, but they are very much the team you would want to face or come up against in a pressure situation.
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The team wasn't even that young. Four Dortmund starters were 30 or older (one even 35), seven were at least 25 and only two younger than 24, the youngest being Adeyemi at 22. Average age 27 years to Madrid's 27.5.

The reason I'm pointing that out is that Dortmund actually changed up their transfer strategy recently and I think it was a big mistake (they actually seem to think that as well since they went back to the former strategy of signing young and technical players in the winter break).
 
I don't know why but I wanted them to lose. Maybe it's their Twitter admin.

feck them.
 
Kopral Jono said:
I'm glad they lost. For whatever reason I can't stand them.
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ayushreddevil9 said:
I don't know why but I wanted them to lose. Maybe it's their Twitter admin.

feck them.
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I was glad to see them lose also… I think it’s because any player we get from them seems to not pan out, and be priced very high, and then also because of them being like Germany’s Liverpool.
 
Zehner said:
The team wasn't even that young. Four Dortmund starters were 30 or older (one even 35), seven were at least 25 and only two younger than 24, the youngest being Adeyemi at 22. Average age 27 years to Madrid's 27.5.

The reason I'm pointing that out is that Dortmund actually changed up their transfer strategy recently and I think it was a big mistake (they actually seem to think that as well since they went back to the former strategy of signing young and technical players in the winter break).
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Perhaps it’s contributed to the mentality over the years though. There is definitely something in the psychology of the club. Last season was a complete disaster, it was basically on a silver platter and they still contrived to lose.

Hopefully your club have shown other teams what can be done and will break the spell, so to speak, and make teams that bit more ambitious and hopeful.
 
BVB supporters and management have been most outspoken to criticize Bayern Munichs alleged instinct to weaken domestic opponents by buying their best players -of which there has been no real evidence the last 2 decades-. Makes it kind of amusing watching them trying to buy literally the complete VfB squad.
 
Ballack, Lucio and Ze Roberto from Leverkusen
Götze, Hummels and Lewandowski from Dortmund
Nagelsmann, Upamecano, Sabitzer and Laimer from Leipzig

yes, Bayern have never done this
 
Infestissumam said:
Ballack, Lucio and Ze Roberto from Leverkusen
Götze, Hummels and Lewandowski from Dortmund
Nagelsmann, Upamecano, Sabitzer and Laimer from Leipzig

yes, Bayern have never done this
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Blasphemy. We should all be grateful that Bayern selflessly kept all those players in the Bundesliga. Actually, they are currently working tirelessly to ensure Wirtz, Tah and Frimpong stay in Germany as well. Not all heros wear capes.
 
strongwalker said:
BVB supporters and management have been most outspoken to criticize Bayern Munichs alleged instinct to weaken domestic opponents by buying their best players -of which there has been no real evidence the last 2 decades-. Makes it kind of amusing watching them trying to buy literally the complete VfB squad.
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What the hell this is a ridiculous claim.

2024 Transfers -> Linked to Jonathan Tah, the best defender of the team who beat Bayern in the league. Bought Ito, the best defender of the team that finished 2nd place.

2023 Transfers -> Bought Leipzig's (3rd) 2nd best midfielder on a free, took Dortmund (2nd, by the bearest of margins)'s best fullback on a free.

2022 Transfers -> Nothing of note

2021 Transfers -> Took their closest rival Leipzigs best defender, best midfielder and their manager in the same window :lol:

2020 Transfers -> Nothing of note

2019 Transfers -> Best midfielder in Bundesliga that year on a free transfer.

2018 Transfers -> Sule, Rudy and Wagner from 4th place Hoffenheim

2017 Transfers -> Dortmunds best defender

2016 Transfers -> Kimmich (though not really Bayerns rivals that year), and Ulreich too.

2015 Transfers -> Dortmunds best striker and best striker in the division

2014 Transfers -> Dortmunds best midfielder

2013 Transfers -> wolfsburgs best striker and Gladbachs best defender

2012 Transfers -> Neuer, who had gotten his club to the CL Semi Final


I can't be bothered to go deeper, but in the past 12 years, you've signed 18 of the league Top 4's best players. 18 :lol:

This is the equivalent of City buying from Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd every season.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
What the hell this is a ridiculous claim.

2024 Transfers -> Linked to Jonathan Tah, the best defender of the team who beat Bayern in the league. Bought Ito, the best defender of the team that finished 2nd place.

2023 Transfers -> Bought Leipzig's (3rd) 2nd best midfielder on a free, took Dortmund (2nd, by the bearest of margins)'s best fullback on a free.

2022 Transfers -> Nothing of note

2021 Transfers -> Took their closest rival Leipzigs best defender, best midfielder and their manager in the same window :lol:

2020 Transfers -> Nothing of note

2019 Transfers -> Best midfielder in Bundesliga that year on a free transfer.

2018 Transfers -> Sule, Rudy and Wagner from 4th place Hoffenheim

2017 Transfers -> Dortmunds best defender

2016 Transfers -> Kimmich (though not really Bayerns rivals that year), and Ulreich too.

2015 Transfers -> Dortmunds best striker and best striker in the division

2014 Transfers -> Dortmunds best midfielder

2013 Transfers -> wolfsburgs best striker and Gladbachs best defender

2012 Transfers -> Neuer, who had gotten his club to the CL Semi Final


I can't be bothered to go deeper, but in the past 12 years, you've signed 18 of the league Top 4's best players. 18 :lol:

This is the equivalent of City buying from Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd every season.
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Mate, I wish Tah was Leverkusen's best defender!

It is absolutely correct, that Bayern buys player from domestic rivals. Biased as I am, I would count three instances of it being too much. And I would name those that @Infestissumam mentioned: Leverkusen in 2002, Dortmund in 2013 and Leipzig in 2021.

Some of your classifications also seem a bit "motivated"... Who is this "best midfielder in the league" that joined on a free in 2018? Do you mean Goretzka in 2019? That is high praise for Goretzka...

But I personally don't count players that fulfilled their contracts and left on a free (and you calling it "bought on a free"... :lol:). Are they technically even "transfers"?

And @strongwalker 's claim wasn't too wrong to be honest. Dortmund has a habbit of buying from the 3rd tier (Bayern being 1st tier and BVB 2nd tier). Just ask Gladbach how they feel about Dortmund and now Stuttgart.

Long story short: 1) Everyone buys from smaller clubs. 2) You often buy from your on league. 3) This thread is about laughing at BVB. 4) WTF is Pathum United?
 
Acrobat7 said:
Mate, I wish Tah was Leverkusen's best defender!

It is absolutely correct, that Bayern buys player from domestic rivals. Biased as I am, I would count three instances of it being too much. And I would name those that @Infestissumam mentioned: Leverkusen in 2002, Dortmund in 2013 and Leipzig in 2021.

Some of your classifications also seem a bit "motivated"... Who is this "best midfielder in the league" that joined on a free in 2018? Do you mean Goretzka in 2019? That is high praise for Goretzka...

But I personally don't count players that fulfilled their contracts and left on a free (and you calling it "bought on a free"... :lol:). Are they technically even "transfers"?

And @strongwalker 's claim wasn't too wrong to be honest. Dortmund has a habbit of buying from the 3rd tier (Bayern being 1st tier and BVB 2nd tier). Just ask Gladbach how they feel about Dortmund and now Stuttgart.

Long story short: 1) Everyone buys from smaller clubs. 2) You often buy from your on league. 3) This thread is about laughing at BVB. 4) WTF is Pathum United?
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Dortmund are far more likely to purchase from their league competitors than Bayern for obvious reasons and it's true for most teams in all leagues. Funnily enough the exceptions to this are the top teams who need higher quality players and have to look farther than most.
 
JPRouve said:
Dortmund are far more likely to purchase from their league competitors than Bayern for obvious reasons and it's true for most teams in all leagues. Funnily enough the exceptions to this are the top teams who need higher quality players and have to look farther than most.
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Absolutely true. Everyone buys from smaller clubs. Bayern gets singled out since they are the only tier 1 club in Germany and have a history of "dismantling" a rival.
Without the Leverkusen (20+ years ago) and Dortmund (10+ years ago) incidents, no one would care about them buying from the Bundesliga. By now it is a cheap throw away comment since other German clubs are way "worse" in buying from smaller domestic clubs.
But enough of this highjack!

Highlights from Pathum United vs. Dortmund: :angel:
 
Acrobat7 said:
Absolutely true. Everyone buys from smaller clubs. Bayern gets singled out since they are the only tier 1 club in Germany and have a history of "dismantling" a rival.
Without the Leverkusen (20+ years ago) and Dortmund (10+ years ago) incidents, no one would care about them buying from the Bundesliga. By now it is a cheap throw away comment since other German clubs are way "worse" in buying from smaller domestic clubs.
But enough of this highjack!

Highlights from Pathum United vs. Dortmund: :angel:
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I mean, it would help if the new board members at Bayern don't conduct themselves like assholes las their predecessors did (and still do) while dismantling domestic rivals. Eberl at least seems much more likeable and down to earth than Rummenigge and especially Hoeneß. And you left out Bayern targeting Leipzig by the way, especially since their strategic direction seemed to be based on the success of the RB franchise in recent years. Nagelsmann, Sabitzer, Laimer, Upamecano and now probably Simons.

That aside, I don't think Bayern are acting in their best long term interests with this strategy. Bayern is a bit like an apex predator lacking any natural rivals. Their strategy makes sense in the short term but it harms the ecosystem they exist in and by that they harm themselves. Bayern are at their best when they have strong domestic rivals like Gladbach in the 70s and Dortmund in the early 10s. And it is not even the dismantling itself but rather the impact it has on the brand of the league. Hoeneß basically called Bayern's strongest domestic rival a feeder club publicly and then went on to sign their three best players. Good luck establishing yourself as a European heavy weight and convincing top talents to join/stay after being shown your place like that.
 
Zehner said:
I mean, it would help if the new board members at Bayern don't conduct themselves like assholes las their predecessors did (and still do) while dismantling domestic rivals. Eberl at least seems much more likeable and down to earth than Rummenigge and especially Hoeneß. And you left out Bayern targeting Leipzig by the way, especially since their strategic direction seemed to be based on the success of the RB franchise in recent years. Nagelsmann, Sabitzer, Laimer, Upamecano and now probably Simons.

That aside, I don't think Bayern are acting in their best long term interests with this strategy. Bayern is a bit like an apex predator lacking any natural rivals. Their strategy makes sense in the short term but it harms the ecosystem they exist in and by that they harm themselves. Bayern are at their best when they have strong domestic rivals like Gladbach in the 70s and Dortmund in the early 10s. And it is not even the dismantling itself but rather the impact it has on the brand of the league. Hoeneß basically called Bayern's strongest domestic rival a feeder club publicly and then went on to sign their three best players. Good luck establishing yourself as a European heavy weight and convincing top talents to join/stay after being shown your place like that.
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Sorry, but I don't feel like discussing this completely exhausted topic for the 46725th time. Moreover, in the wrong thread and with you. You'd better look at your team, whose CEO criticises the lack of foreign TV money and then stops his team from going on an Asian tour where they could open up new markets. Of course Hoeneß and Rummenigge are annoying idiots, but when it comes to idiots as CEO, you're sitting in a glass house.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Sorry, but I don't feel like discussing this completely exhausted topic for the 46725th time. Moreover, in the wrong thread and with you. You'd better look at your team, whose CEO criticises the lack of foreign TV money and then stops his team from going on an Asian tour where they could open up new markets. Of course Hoeneß and Rummenigge are annoying idiots, but when it comes to idiots as CEO, you're sitting in a glass house.
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Why can’t we criticise Bayern’s leadership and board just because Man Utd’s are also bad? Classic whatsboutism.

Both can be simultaneously true
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Why can’t we criticise Bayern’s leadership and board just because Man Utd’s are also bad? Classic whatsboutism.

Both can be simultaneously true
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As I said: Rummenigge and Hoeneß are idiots. It was more a dig against that specific poster.
 
horsechoker said:
Didn't know Nuri Sahin is their manager now

They got beat 4 nil today
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Not their biggest tragedy lately.

This is their cup shirt for next season:
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Acrobat7 said:
Sorry, but I don't feel like discussing this completely exhausted topic for the 46725th time. Moreover, in the wrong thread and with you. You'd better look at your team, whose CEO criticises the lack of foreign TV money and then stops his team from going on an Asian tour where they could open up new markets. Of course Hoeneß and Rummenigge are annoying idiots, but when it comes to idiots as CEO, you're sitting in a glass house.
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Huh??? You’re hardly talking about Berrada here
 
Bloody hell Puma... every time I think their design department has hit rock bottom, they pull out the pickaxes and start digging.
 
It's funnier when you consider that Puma is owned by the largest fashion consortium in the world.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Sorry, but I don't feel like discussing this completely exhausted topic for the 46725th time. Moreover, in the wrong thread and with you. You'd better look at your team, whose CEO criticises the lack of foreign TV money and then stops his team from going on an Asian tour where they could open up new markets. Of course Hoeneß and Rummenigge are annoying idiots, but when it comes to idiots as CEO, you're sitting in a glass house.
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You don't have to discuss it with me but there are other posters reading this thread as well and they might agree, so I think it is fair to share my opinion. Regarding the Asia tour: If we manage to defend the title or at least make it an interesting competition, we'll generate a dozenfold more international attention for the Bundesliga than any pre-season journey could. When you are up against a club that has thrice the budget and plays that hand ruthlessly and are about to have your squad picked apart next season, you have to use every leverage you have when the opportunity for a title challenge is there. In the end, an interesting product sells itself. Moreover, I think it is actually pretty telling that the best the DFL can come up with to increase international revenues is asking the clubs to do more pre-season tours. After all, the Bundesliga has just come out off an unprecedented era of Bayern dominance that many, many international football fans found very boring to say it politely. That aside, Leverkusen is one of the few Bundesliga clubs that actually did a lot to open up new markets, from various pre- and post-season tours over transfers like Chicharito or Azmoun to implementing new ad technologies for international viewers. They aren't doing it now but there is a strong case to be made that it is for the better of the league.

By the way, I don't like that Dortmund is now doing the same with Stuttgart. I preferred their strategy of bringing young foreign talent into the league over this new approach of signing talent from direct competitors. Dortmund has lost a lot of sympathies in recent seasons (speaking for myself here).
 
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