Robben with the good ol' Cruyff tu...mble
Bundesliga 2017/18
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Thiago wasn't offside?
Very slightly, but I think yes.
5-1!
And 5:1.
Hey, at least this time we don't look completely knackered and uninspired after the winterbreak before facing a spanish giant. Only for 15 or 20 minutes a match or so.
Hey, at least this time we don't look completely knackered and uninspired after the winterbreak before facing a spanish giant. Only for 15 or 20 minutes a match or so.
Leverkusen is a very talented team. They ran their lungs out the first hour, now they ran out of steam.
Very pleasantly surprised by Ullreich. He was a shaky candidate throughout his career up to this year, undoubtedly talented, but more than once it looked as if he didn't really have the nerve for a top goalie. Turned in the most reliable, consistent good keeper in the Bundesliga. I see a chance for his trip to russia.
Very pleasantly surprised by Ullreich. He was a shaky candidate throughout his career up to this year, undoubtedly talented, but more than once it looked as if he didn't really have the nerve for a top goalie. Turned in the most reliable, consistent good keeper in the Bundesliga. I see a chance for his trip to russia.
After some of that defending, I'm still dreading what Real may do to us.
Neat free kick.
5-2, Leon Bailey. Perfect free kick.
Müller danced them to the end of love. What a waltz.
Six. Müller with a little pirouette 
Bayern are my big bet for the treble this season. They don't look to have any weakness atm.
Is there really any point in playing the other semi final?
Did you watch this match?
Leverkusen meanwhile in national decline?
Well I support Eintracht.
Kovac has screwed up the end of our season so I suspect it will be a Schalke v Bayern final, which is just as well for Kovac because if Frankfurt win he won't know who to support in Berlin.
Müller with a second half hattrick. World cup coming up
Müller is looking great again under Heynckes, and Ulreich continues to impress.
To me, a crucial asset of the Bayern team of 2009-18 is the determination and workrate of the offensive players. Robben and Ribery are in their mid-thirties now, yet they still hunt the ball to start another attack even when the game is already won.
To me, a crucial asset of the Bayern team of 2009-18 is the determination and workrate of the offensive players. Robben and Ribery are in their mid-thirties now, yet they still hunt the ball to start another attack even when the game is already won.
Very true, I meant on the ball.
Müller is the sort of player that makes the whole team play better, even if he doesn't get on the ball. Fantastic football brain.
Well, that was unfortunate. Congrats to Bayern, think it was a pretty good game with a winner who definitely deserved it.
But I think one could see that the team is very talented and still a little bit raw. Herrlich himself made a big mistake with his switch to a three men back line and it came at the cost of three goals in rapid succession. He is still an inexpierenced coach, however, and he readjusted so I think he will learn from it. You also saw that our defenders made some silly mistakes, especially Retsos before the second goal. We should be happy that he wasn't sent off, too. A dark yellow card against Kimmich and a tactical foul against Robben at the end of the first half. Additionally, Bayern converted their chances and we didn't. Ullreich was brillant by the way. Really good goalkeeper and it wouldn't be undeserved if he made it to the world cup.
It's probably save to say that there will be some schadenfreude now. But many teams in the league play really defensive and reactive football and although it gets you results in the short term, I think in the long term you get nothing from it and will get thrashed on European level. We tried to make it an open game but obviously we still have much to learn. But maybe the team will be up there in a few years. I prefer that approach to someone like Tedesco. So yeah, hope we won't let this beating distract us.
So, congrats to Bayern again. The football you play on your day makes it really hard to hate you occasionally but I stay strong
But I think one could see that the team is very talented and still a little bit raw. Herrlich himself made a big mistake with his switch to a three men back line and it came at the cost of three goals in rapid succession. He is still an inexpierenced coach, however, and he readjusted so I think he will learn from it. You also saw that our defenders made some silly mistakes, especially Retsos before the second goal. We should be happy that he wasn't sent off, too. A dark yellow card against Kimmich and a tactical foul against Robben at the end of the first half. Additionally, Bayern converted their chances and we didn't. Ullreich was brillant by the way. Really good goalkeeper and it wouldn't be undeserved if he made it to the world cup.
It's probably save to say that there will be some schadenfreude now. But many teams in the league play really defensive and reactive football and although it gets you results in the short term, I think in the long term you get nothing from it and will get thrashed on European level. We tried to make it an open game but obviously we still have much to learn. But maybe the team will be up there in a few years. I prefer that approach to someone like Tedesco. So yeah, hope we won't let this beating distract us.
So, congrats to Bayern again. The football you play on your day makes it really hard to hate you occasionally but I stay strong
I think with two titles in 20 years in Europe (by Bayern) the "non-step high-pressing/high line with no regards for the scoreline or opposition"-Bundesliga approach has been well tried and ultimately failed. No EuroLeague semifinal in a decade, mostly losing to financially inferior sides.
Schalke is the 2nd best defensive team by goals conceded at 1.1 per game. That´s far below the defensive standards in Italy, England, Spain or Portugal, the countries that clean up the European honours.
High pressing lines are no German thing. Michels, Sacchi, Cruyff, Guardiola, Heynckes, Zidane and so on do so. But I guess you are speaking of the systems of coaches like Hasenhüttl, Roger Schmidt, Klopp (in his early years) and so on. Very vertical teams which operate with a lot of long balls and go for "rebounds", transitions and counters.
We don't play like that anymore since Herrlich took over. Of course we are still a good pressing team but nowadays we shift more and more to a possession oriented style. We look nowhere near as extreme as under Schmidt and rely on short passes in the build up. And this style is actually pretty successful in the Europea League as seen by Sevilla.
I think you are right that these high intensity pressing and transition approaches which always play forward are not suited for European glory. It is a very "lazy" concept that disregards game control. But if you watch us, you'll see that we follow another idea under Herrlich. We try to take the initiative and dictate the tempo. Of course this doesn't always work, but we are on a good way.
Only watched the goals, tbhDid you watch this match?
. Some of them were really good. So it's not a fair result? Goal difference was flattering for us. Leverkusen could/should have equalised by the end of first half or early on in the second. It was only when Herrlich changed their lineup to a more offensive 3-5-2 that they got slaughtered.Only watched the goals, tbh
To be fair, apart from Bayern in 2008, no german club gave a lot of feck about performing in the EL. For a team like Mainz or Freiburg or Hoffenheim, it is more of a distraction than anything else.
Yes. And I would actually say that the transition/pressing based approach is fine for European football and far from the cause of German football's recent woes. Leverkusen for example more or less pulled their weight under R. Schmidt, who took that kind of philosophy to extremes: in his first season they made it out of their CL group and were eliminated in a penalty shootout against Atletico. In his second season they went out tied with Roma and behind Barca and in his final season they again made it into the ro16 by advancing at Spurs' expense being again eliminated by Atletico.
I think the style of football most German clubs use mostly causes problems on a domestic level, because when you have zero dominance you have to out-fight/run your opponent every match and you rely a lot on individual quality / having the necessary luck in the critical moments of a match, which makes you quite susceptible to (bad) luck, distractions and fatigue. So aside from Bayern and Dortmund (and even they have their troubles this season) the top 4 is an ever changing combination and all the first timers like Hoffenheim/Hertha/Freiburg/Cologne/Mainz bomb out of Europe due to their lack of experience and lack of squad depth, because you can't build your squad for three competitions when you have no idea whether or not you're going to play EL/CL again in the next 3-5 years. They face their seasons with a severe lack of depth which in the end not only punishes them in Europe but also in their domestic campaign, so they drop out of top4/6 and some other team that can rest and prepare for their match all week long steps in and the cycle continius.
Another problem is over past couple of years the best run clubs in Germany are Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen and Hoffenheim (since Nagelsmann at least) and two of those will forever be small time and unable to establish themselves as top 4 regulars. While Schalke are just recovering from a decade of atrocious management, Gladbach seem happy in mediocrity and Stuttgart/Hamburg are busy getting relegated despite coming from the richest regions of Germany.
Second semifinal of the DFB cup is on. Schalke vs Frankfurt.
Oof. This match is the antithesis to the one yesterday. Still no goal, hardly any attempts on goal either.
Just after I wrote this Schalke had as many chances as in the entirety of the match so far.
Just after I wrote this Schalke had as many chances as in the entirety of the match so far.
Oof. This match is the antithesis to the one yesterday. Still no goal, hardly any attempts on goal either.
Just after I wrote this Schalke had as many chances as in the entirety of the match so far.
There's a goal now.
Now things are getting crazy - first Frankfurt scores, now they are down to ten. Fernandes had been subbed on 33 seconds earlier, VAR turned the yellow to straight red.
Disgraceful decision.
Refs in Germany are a complete joke. . . Even VAR can't help them.
Completely disagree. Really liked the decision. Going into a tackling like this is dangerous af.
Ah stop will ya. . . If reds were routinely given for an offence like that then you'd never finish a match as there wouldn't be enough players on the pitch.
SIX minutes injury time.
WTF did that come from?
WTF did that come from?
Nope. This should always be a red card. The risk of injury is extremely high. And if the VAR makes sure this kind of foul gets called more often, I‘m happy with it.
Schalke with a goal disallowed in injury time for handball.
Not as controversial as Michael Oliver
Not as controversial as Michael Oliver
Not sure if I think Frankfurt deserve to be in that final. Well, Kovac against Bayern is an interesting story anyways.
Defended well and nicked a goal.
Schalke didn't offer much considering they were at home after all.
I agree that this should be a red, but the foul against Kimmich yesterday wasn‘t any better and VAR didn't react. We need more consistency.
The ref apparently felt sure that it was a hand ball and thus whistled before the ball crossed the line. So no chance for VAR to act.
It has little to do with VAR. Blowing the whistle interrupts the game. Players stop what they are doing and set up for a dead ball. If you commit an offense that is unrelated to the flow of the game (like punching someone in the face) then I'm sure VAR can get you, even after a whistle.