Bundesliga 2017/18

do.ob said:
According to Hoeneß they only met Kovac by chance beforehand because both he and the Kovac brothers happened to be invited to the birthday dinner of his Croatian driver.
And he doesn't have to answer any detailled questions about their contact "because we aren't at the prosecutor's office here". ;)
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Amazing coincidences there. :)

Also arrogance from Hoeneß . . . Clearly his time in Landsberg prison hasn't changed or humbled him.
 
What are Bayern fans’ opinions on them going for Kovac instead of someone like Nagelsmann? Was the timing not right?

What about Jardim?
 
NYAS said:
What are Bayern fans’ opinions on them going for Kovac instead of someone like Nagelsmann? Was the timing not right?

What about Jardim?
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Not having followed Frankfurt, I'm pretty underwhelmed. Their table statistics don't convince me either.
 
User 72192 said:
He's just envy and wants to provoke, being a Leverkusen fan and all that. It's just the opposing fans' way of appreciating Bayern's work, it really is.
There are absolutely no signs whatsoever that would indicate Bayern's international decline. Bundesliga decline? Yes, sure, but the current season shows Bayern are still able to reach the semifinal in the most prestigeous elite competition of club football with an aging squad. Bayern has become so big, it's almost impossible to vanish from the top stage.
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Not envy, I just strongly dislike your club. I grew up with Bayern constantly belittling and talking down on other clubs. Moves like Ze Roberto, Lucio, Ballack and especially the Vidal story are the icing on the cake, just like so many self-righteous fans I've got to know. Should'nt surprise you that other clubs despise Bayern. I dislike your club more than Hamburg and that's quite an achievement.
But can't deny that your club is lead very professionally. So I just ignore your success and laugh at you at the few occasions I can ;)

But there are signs for international decline. See, people over here say that PSG exemplarily isn't "battle hardened" enough and they got a point. With you it is the same thing. In big games you lack this cutting edge. Hoeneß himself said it recently. It's no coincidence that you won the Champions League directly after two consecutive league titles for the BVB. In hindsight, it wasn't really clever to reprimand them.
 
User 72192 said:
yea, but then again, being on a decline internationally and not being battle hardened is not the same. No team in the CL has been as often in the quarterfinal since 1992 as Bayern. Since 2010, Bayern has participated in the semifinal in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2018. I think every club on this planet bar one would love to be on that kind of international decline.
Regarding your enjoyment of pretty trivial events, everybody got some kind of kink, if your's is having a little fun when not everything works out 100% at Bayern, enjoy these occasions. Being a Leverkusen fan is not easy. More people in the region rather see Köln in the second division.
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Wow, let's not get carried away with those semifinal achievements. In the last 5 years, those runs have been not impressive at all. Bayern excels in beating teams with lower quality, but if the opponent could actually match their player material, they struggled massively.

Those are the opponents in the knockout rounds for the last 5 campaigns:

13/14:
Win: Arsenal, Man Utd (trained by Moyes)
Loss: Real Madrid

14/15:
Win: Donetsk, Porto
Loss: Barcelona

15/16:
Win: Juventus, Benfica
Loss: Atletico

16/17:
Win: Arsenal
Loss: Real Madrid

17/18:
Win: Besiktas, Sevilla
Loss: ?

I highlighted the teams with comparable player quality and Bayern just managed to beat Juventus once (in Exra Time).

Since the treble (not going to take anything away from that, that run was one of the best ever), there are actually 4 teams with better european pedigree than Bayern and you could even count Sevilla with 3 Europa League wins being arguably better than no european title at all. Not that one Europa title is worth much, but doing 3 in a row is very impressive for a team like Sevilla and deserves recognition.
 
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User 72192 said:
yea, but then again, being on a decline internationally and not being battle hardened is not the same. No team in the CL has been as often in the quarterfinal since 1992 as Bayern. Since 2010, Bayern has participated in the semifinal in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2018. I think every club on this planet bar one would love to be on that kind of international decline.
Regarding your enjoyment of pretty trivial events, everybody got some kind of kink, if your's is having a little fun when not everything works out 100% at Bayern, enjoy these occasions. Being a Leverkusen fan is not easy. More people in the region rather see Köln in the second division.
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Well, people over here choose their team in their youth and then all-out support it. I know it sounds a little bit abstract for a Bayern fan, but people do this regardless of the club's success ;) Not much you can do about it. But averaging 25,000+ spectators in a 120,000 inhabiants city is not a bad quota, I think.

The guy above me has alrady shown that your runs were not that impressive since the treble. Your squad quality is still among the best but you have beaten regularly by teams that you can't simply dominate without even trying.
And with Hoeneß growing influence, I think your squad quality will go down in the future. People like Rummenigge, Ancelotti and Guardiola were responsible for players like Thiago or James. Robben's and Ribery's replacements are long overdue and how to you think Hoeneß will solve this? He is very reluctant to break the bank. Most likely, he will take the approach he always has fostered: The best German players have to play at Bayern. Your increasing quality also had to do with the club finally opening up to globalization and regularly signing players with international class. With Hoeneß, you will go back to the roots. What is your biggest spent until now again? 40 million Euro? Good luck finding a winger with Robben or Ribery quality for that money. Dembele cost 140 million and he is not even close. You will probably see someone like Gnabry or maybe Draxler if PSG is willing to sell him for small money.
 
I've changed my tune.

Kovac can f off to Bayern. . . He's the equivalent of putting Sean Dyche in charge of Manchester City.

;)
 
Kruse :drool:

Such a shame that he's "only" playing for Bremen.


If I was Watzke/Zorc I'd explore the option of sacking Stöger. The football Dormtund have been playing since the winter break is unbearable.
 
do.ob said:
Kruse :drool:

Such a shame that he's "only" playing for Bremen.


If I was Watzke/Zorc I'd explore the option of sacking Stöger. The football Dormtund have been playing since the winter break is unbearable.
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Wasn't he only really a caretaker for the rest of the season, similar to Big Sam at Everton.

Just show some ambition again and appoint Favre or Jardim or someone like that and stop spending 15m + on more attacking players.
 
FootballHQ said:
Wasn't he only really a caretaker for the rest of the season, similar to Big Sam at Everton.

Just show some ambition again and appoint Favre or Jardim or someone like that and stop spending 15m + on more attacking players.
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Yes, his contract expires at the end of the season. But I think even keeping him only that long seriously endangers their chances of CL football.
As far as I can tell Dortmund were very interested in Nagelsmann (as a direct replacement for Bosz even), but his release clause won't trigger until 2019 and both he and Hoffenheim's daddy have made it clear that he won't be allowed to leave before that.
Favre seems to be the other candidate. Yesterday there was an interview with Dante (played for him at Gladbach and now at Nice) who said Dortmund would be a good destination for Favre, that Favre supposedly feels ready for a move to a big(ger) club. So at this moment I'd assume it's going to be him, especially since he supposedly has a release clause and Dortmund already wanted to get him last summer (Nice blocked a move, but afterwards his agent renewed Favre's interest for the job).

Some guy from Sky also brought up Rose (Salzburg) as a candidate, but that was the first time I heard that rumour.
 
Ah yes forgot about missing CL, still a 5 point lead to Hoffenheim with 4 rounds left.

Favre should be gettable. Great choice imo. Took over Gladbach when they were rock bottom, saved them and then took them to CL a couple of years later. Got Nice in CL.

Amazed premier league clubs have never gone for him, there was talk of Everton interest a while back.
 
FootballHQ said:
Ah yes forgot about missing CL, still a 5 point lead to Hoffenheim with 4 rounds left.

Favre should be gettable. Great choice imo. Took over Gladbach when they were rock bottom, saved them and then took them to CL a couple of years later. Got Nice in CL.

Amazed premier league clubs have never gone for him, there was talk of Everton interest a while back.
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Leipzig can close the gap to two points with a win today (currently trailing Bremen 0-1 at HT) and Dortmund's next match is against in form Leverkusen who are definitely favourites at this point and Dortmund travel to Hoffenheim on the last matchday, so the 5 point gap is a bit misleading.
 
FootballHQ said:
Ah yes forgot about missing CL, still a 5 point lead to Hoffenheim with 4 rounds left.

Favre should be gettable. Great choice imo. Took over Gladbach when they were rock bottom, saved them and then took them to CL a couple of years later. Got Nice in CL.

Amazed premier league clubs have never gone for him, there was talk of Everton interest a while back.
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surprised Arsenal woudln't go for him. Well, not surprised I guess, as they seem to be in no hurry still to get rid of Wenger! but even though Favre is an older coach, he'd still be a good option I think, and he's moved with the times, when Wenger hasn't. But maybe it is an age thing, if a club wants to build a long term plan, maybe he isn't one they would consider.

I am in two minds with him at Dortmund partly for that. But still, if Dortmund can't get Nagelsmann, getting Favre like we wanted to do last summer, would be a good option at least for the next couple seasons. For all the troubles of this season, we aren't actually a lot worse off points wise as this stage last season! There is still a good group of players there for the right coach to work with.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Come on Mainz!
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Haven't been watching it much as it's been a boring game but have I got this correct, ref blew for H/T then went to VAR and then awarded Mainz a penalty which they've just scored?!:lol:

Edit: The graphic on Bet365 have gone mad anyway so something isn't right.
 
VAR. After the Freiburg players already have went off the pitch for halftime. And had to come back for a penalty for Mainz. 1:0.
 
correct decision imo

even Jochen Saier (Freiburg) admitted that it was within the rules.
 
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So now Hamburg and Köln are 8 and 9 points behind 16th place.

I think that Köln getting relegated is a done deal (especially since they still have to play Schalke and Bayern), however I'm still a bit worried about HSV. Their next two games are against Freiburg and Wolfsburg, if they somehow manage to win both of them it could be a two-point race.
It's probably not a very realistic scenario but the past few seasons have taught us to never ever write them off.
 
GhastlyHun said:
They suck. Who has time to travel across the country for away games of their team on a monday, to name just one point.
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that's just stupid though. Champions League or Europa League is always midweek and there you not only have to travel, you also have to travel out of country. Never heard anyone complain about that ... oh wait, maybe that's why most German teams always crash out of the group stage. Don't wanna upset your fans with stupid travelling during the week :D
 
Difference is in previous seasons Hamburg were where Mainz/Freiburg are and then fell into the play offs by losing their last 4/5.

They've never actually been this far adrift in bottom 2. They are done. I don't them beating Frankfurt away for example.

If they win 3 out of their last 4 yet Freiburg and Mainz both pick up just a point from their remaining games they still are relegated so that right there gives you the scale of their task.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Because it's the absolute worst. Football on just about every day of the week is madness and the only winners are the TV companies.

I wish there was more hoo ha when Sky introduced it.
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The top match of the second league usually is played monday evening - without big protests as that means that the match is shown on Free TV...

Just to visualize it:

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Didn't realise Freiburg's GD was so bad.

Still they have Koln and Ausburg as home games so should be some points there.
 
Freiburg have had 27 shots on goal.







In 13 matches since the winter break.
Their only saving grace at this moment is that both Hamburg and Cologne had like 15 consecutive matches without a win each.
 
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