Fecking impossible to discuss with you over sensitive BM guys since you take everything as an attack on your precious league, the Dortmund supporters are sensible, but you BM guys are so high and mighty it is a wonder you even get oxygen all the way up there in the stratosphere. My point was simply that as long as there is an all conquering and all powerful team in the league which can cherrypick whoever they want in the league, even from their biggest competition in Dortmund, then there won't be any real competition, and the league will be worse for it in the long run.
Bundesliga 2016/17
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Take a look at the Bundesliga table right now.
I don't disagree that the league should be competitive. It's just incredibly funny that you think Hoffenheim is supposed to be a top team in the Bundesliga. They've never qualified for the Europa League so far and finished 15th last season ffs.
Süle is probably the best young defender talent - even if that could be Tah. One of the Olympic silver medal team that in the last match kept Neymar and his new City buddy quiet.
Rudy - I would compare him to the Rode transfer who came on a free. Would fit better as he really is adaptable to some positions and you see with Löw that he seems to be really easy to handle, too. Actually it might be better to have once a player that is not that absolute A-team player because it somehow "hurts" to leave Kimmich, Sanches etc. out of the team as only 11 can play. Rudy is a good workhorse that will do well in what he has to do without the big sparks. You need squad players, too.
Rudy - I would compare him to the Rode transfer who came on a free. Would fit better as he really is adaptable to some positions and you see with Löw that he seems to be really easy to handle, too. Actually it might be better to have once a player that is not that absolute A-team player because it somehow "hurts" to leave Kimmich, Sanches etc. out of the team as only 11 can play. Rudy is a good workhorse that will do well in what he has to do without the big sparks. You need squad players, too.
btw wasn't meant exclusively at you, Swansons. It's just everytime a transfer to Bayern is discussed, posters flock in to drop some 'not competitive' supremacist dump. It's fecking exhausting.
I have been saying for a while that I thought Dortmund should have went after Sule for their Hummels replacement over the summer.
So, what do you propose? A domestic transfer ban for Bayern? What about all the PL giants plundering the lesser teams? As long as you folks, Chelsea and City keep plundering the Shaws, Stones' and Kantes, there won't ever be "true" competition in your league either, amirite?
It's not about being sensitive. It's about you comparing Bayern buying a Hoffenheim player to a top 5 club buying from an equal.
It's more like United shopping at West Brom.
Yeah, let's just leave it at that.
On to Süle, would you say he is the current biggest CB talent in Germany, or is the much discussed Tah up there as well?
Watched the Hoffenheim - Dortmund match yesterday and he seemed like a very attacking CB, is that correct?
On to Süle, would you say he is the current biggest CB talent in Germany, or is the much discussed Tah up there as well?
Watched the Hoffenheim - Dortmund match yesterday and he seemed like a very attacking CB, is that correct?
Yeah, they should have. Wouldn't mind if we gave them Hummels back and signed Süle this summer. Sadly it wont happen
They should have, yes. Instead it seemed they tried to buy Toprak, but after taking Castro that was probably a bit hopeless.
Hey, they tried to weaken a competitor! How could they do that?! ;-)
Lahm might end his career already this season - and it could be that Badstuber leaves, too. Bayern is in need of German players...
No and there truly wasn't much competition in the PL either a few years back, we needed the influx of sugardaddys to make it competitive. Us MUFC supporters saw it as some unholy and unprecedented act when it first started to happen, but feck me has it made the league competitive, you wouldn't want to bet your house on any of chelsea, city, arse, pool winning the league this year. Sucks for us MUFC supporters since we'll never reclaim the dominance we had, but the league is better off.
What has changed is, that there are more big fishes in your pond, but despite the generous TV deal of yours, clubs like Everton, Soton and the likes still lose their best players. And Hoffenheim falls into their category
It's him and Tah, yes. Bayern has some promising youngsters, but more in the 15 and 16 years old range so they need to bridge that gap.
I'm not so convinced when it comes to Süle though. He's very physical/big and seems quite slow. Better suited for the English league than the German one IMHO.
Yeah, they should have. Wouldn't mind if we gave them Hummels back and signed Süle this summer. Sadly it wont happen
Nah, Süle is not on Hummels' level and never will be.
Sure. But what do you want us to do? No doubt the PL is crazily interesting these days, and I'm actually truly captivated by it, I fecking love it, but why do we have to debate the topic of the status and worth of leagues everytime Bayern buys a player or wins a game?
If Rudy doesn't click, we can still ship him off to BVB a season later for 10ish million €
He's significantly less annoying though.
Hummels is, at this very moment in time, giving an interview to the standard lamp in his bedroom, musing about how at every traffic light the transition from yellow to red is reminding him of the complicated emotions that accompany his BVB-Bayern transfer.
Hoffenheim's highest finish ever was 7th and that was 8 seasons ago, last season they finihsed 15th, but according to caf expert analysts they are supposed to challenge Bayern 
Anyone get the feeling something might be up with Boateng? His clash with Rummenigge was pretty explicit tbh. Apart from him playing really poor this season, his hype is paradoxically at its highest point. I'm getting paranoid and starting to see him going somewhere in summer for crazy £££
Don't think so, Rummenigge stated a couple of weeks ago that he had a good talk with Jerome.
Both Boa and Javi miss out on a lot of games, and we cannot rely on Badstuber either. Another reliable CB doesn't hurt at all. Also, we might see Xabi playing his last season for us, which could mean Javi being planned in for our midfield next year.
No, not at all. Badstuber's contract is running out and if Martinez is going to midfield Süle is instantly CB3 behind the sometimes injured Boateng and Hummels. There are worse places for a young German CB.
Who are the top teams in the Budesliga these days after Bayern and Dortmund?Hoffenheim's highest finish ever was 7th and that was 8 seasons ago, last season they finihsed 15th, but according to caf expert analysts they are supposed to challenge Bayern
Going by financial stature and on paper quality of the squads, still Leverkusen, Schalke and Gladbach. They are all struggling on a domestic level right now, though, and several former mid- to bottom table teams like Frankfurt, Köln, Hoffenheim and Berlin are pulling off astoundingly good performances week after week right now.
It's a highly interesting season so far
Thanks
I was thinking Bayer, Schalke, Wolfsburg, Gladbach were the top teams as those are the teams you usually see in the CL but looking at the table they are all struggling. Seeing Wolfsburg so low is a big surprise. Remember them beating LVG's United
Got to stop posting now, 1111 posts looks too good.
Just wanted to close by saying @SwansonsTache that I don't mean to push you out of the thread or something, I'd just maybe propose a guideline:
Remember "Don't mention the war"?
IMO you're ok to mention the war, but make that "Don't mention competitiveness" instead.
Just wanted to close by saying @SwansonsTache that I don't mean to push you out of the thread or something, I'd just maybe propose a guideline:
Remember "Don't mention the war"?
IMO you're ok to mention the war, but make that "Don't mention competitiveness" instead.
Naby Keita looks a real talent in the RB Leipzig side. Covers almost every blade of grass on the pitch.
They could save a lot of money, if they just stayed home.
Sule and Rudy. Bayern going downhill a bit.
I would like Süle at Bayern. Our CBs can't ever stay healthy anyway and with Ancelotti's CB rotation this season I could see Süle getting plenty of playing time even if the miracle occurs and Hummels and Boateng are fit. And Javi could play as a midfielder again.
Rudy is a weird one though.
It's an unnecessary transfer. Let's call it what it is. Boateng and Hummels will be first-choice for many, many years to come and Badstuber is a good back-up not to mention they had Benatia. That's completely fine.
I can only think of other reasons they got Sule but I won't mention them here because I know how sensitive a topic it is for some.
I can only think of other reasons they got Sule but I won't mention them here because I know how sensitive a topic it is for some.
Badstuber the perma crock is a good BU
..and Benatia has been everything, but fine. He was permanently injured and the rare times he was able to play, he showed that he is not good enough and it was time to recoup some of the money spent on him.
Boateng and Hummels are 1st choice, but both of them are also often struggling with minor injuries and a notch here and there. Same for Martinez. Getting another CB is absolutely necessary, as a top club needs four CBs and Süle will complement them perfectly.
..and Benatia has been everything, but fine. He was permanently injured and the rare times he was able to play, he showed that he is not good enough and it was time to recoup some of the money spent on him.
Boateng and Hummels are 1st choice, but both of them are also often struggling with minor injuries and a notch here and there. Same for Martinez. Getting another CB is absolutely necessary, as a top club needs four CBs and Süle will complement them perfectly.
Badstuber'scontract ends 2017 and Benatia is playing in Italy again.
Yes, I know both of those things. They're more than sufficient to play the roles of back-up CBs at Bayern. But the Sule purchase was clearly not made simply on grounds of need.
Badstuber the perma crock is a good BU
..and Benatia has been everything, but fine. He was permanently injured and the rare times he was able to play, he showed that he is not good enough and it was time to recoup some of the money spent on him.
Boateng and Hummels are 1st choice, but both of them are also often struggling with minor injuries and a notch here and there. Same for Martinez. Getting another CB is absolutely necessary, as a top club needs four CBs and Süle will complement them perfectly.
The problem is Sule should not even be a back-up. A perfect move for him would have been to Dortmund, for example. Not a club where he'll be relying on the two of the best centre-backs in the world getting a notch here or there.
Dortmund has Sokratis, Ginter (he is not a RB in my book) and Bender. I rate him higher than the last two, but it would not be a cake walk either.
Dortmund have Sokratis as sure starter and then Süle would need to compete with Bartra, Bender and Ginter for the place besides him. IMO its also guaranteed, that Toprak is going to join the bunch next summer, when triggering the 12m€ clause. Good luck getting a starting place there. Dortmund and Bayern both offer huge competition.
If we're talking based on performances alone, Sule would definitely start when competing with that group. It's obviously not comparable to Boateng and Hummels.
Since you have clearly no idea about Bayern, Hoffenheim, the Bundesliga or Süle, yeah, better stop posting.
Because we all know you want to go down the "Bayern buying their rivals" route (Hoffenheim....yeah....the West Bromwich of the Bundesliga clearly is a HUGE threat) and you are still defending the shitty crock that was Benatia as a "good backup" when he clearly wasn't.