Dembele is special.
Bundesliga 2016/17
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This has nothing to do with keeping peace, but to give everyone, who loves their club, no matter how well his/her job pays, the opportnuity to show their love.
I´m in a chatty mood, so here the story how I became a Dortmund supporter and why I view the above mentioned as so important:
It was in the beginning of the 90ies when my sister´s boyfriend (now brother in law) took me to my first game at the Westfalenstadium. I was seven years old and the moment I stepped out of the train I was floored for the first (but not last) time that day. The whole city was yellow and black, literally every person I saw wore at least one piece of clothing of the BVB. It made me feel like an alien because I did not have any BVB merchandise at this point. We wanted to buy a scarf before the game but the shops were swamped. When I saw the inner part of the stadium the first time, I was stunned again. That thing is overwhelming and the singing was already in full force eventhough the game would still not start for another hour.
Somehow I got interested in the conversation of the two men (both in their fourties) sitting next to us. They had some tactical discussion which went completely over my head. At one point one of them declined the offer of the other for a beer after the game because he would need to get to their hospital to work. Being seven years old without a filter I asked: "You two doctors?" One of them laughed as reaction and said: "Nah, he is a doc, I´m a janitor." At my surprised look the other chimed in:"But that doesn´t matter, lad. On a playday there are only three kinds of people: Borussen, the others... and the smurfs." The moment he said the last word the row behind us began singing:"Scheiße 04, Scheiße 04!" That song carried over the whole bloc to the next one.
When it quieted down a bit, the doc asked me if I wanted to be a Borusse aswell. When I nodded meakly he took his scarf and put it around my shoulders "Now, you are one and look like one, but be warned, once you are in, you never get out." I still have that scarf ans wear it on special occasions.
This whole experience became a symbol of what I love so much about my club. The unifying nature of a football or Sports club in general is a very powerful thing. So much in our lives is defined about what we are, what we do, how much we earn, what kind of car we drive. When my club plays, it does not matter if you drive a Porsche or a Fiat Punto. You are a Borusse and part of the family, no strings atached. This is how I experienced my fellow supporters in the more than 100 games I saw in the stadium.
I would rather have the top players leaving to the elite clubs every Summer than giving that up. The moment parts of the Borussen are frozen out of the stadium because they can´t afford it anymore, is the moment my club loses a vital part of its identity.
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See, because of sentimental fans like you, Dortmund keep losing good players. Watzke does not want to pay players accordingly and every year fans expect miracles from younger guys. Now we learned that Watzke's plan for Weigl is 3 mil per year till 2021
Sure, doc and jantor story is a touchy one...
Dembele is an incredible talent. The touch and flick before playing in Aubameyang for the equaliser was elite player material which is what he'll be in a few years. I hope we target him for a move in a few years time. Just the kind of player we need in wide areas and would compliment a pacey attack of Martial, Mkhitarian and Rashford well.
Superb post.
Watzke is merely keeping a cool head, and hats off to him for that. It was only a decade before that very club you are talking about almost went bancrupt because they gambled the way you are advocating ("does not want to pay players accordingly"). I could name several dozen other examples.See, because of sentimental fans like you, Dortmund keep losing good players. Watzke does not want to pay players accordingly and every year fans expect miracles from younger guys. Now we learned that Watzke's plan for Weigl is 3 mil per year till 2021
Sure, doc and jantor story is a touchy one...
I also think you are wrong suggesting that the fans would expect "miracles from younger guys". None of the fans and supportes i know (those which deserve these names) expect that of their respective teams. What they all want is the feeling that the players of the team play with the same kind of passion that the fans have for their team. If they sense that, they will accept it if it doesn't work out with the win or the title or whatever. They will be pissed no end about a loss against their rivals or losing the title by a small margin, but they won't be angry at the team or the coach if they feel they've given it all.
Regarding that shit about ticket prices etcetera: When was the last time you saw a major english club feature in any "best atmospheres in football" youtube?
Dembele will be targeted by every big club on this planet. Since Barcelona seems to be his dream club, as evidenced here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/borussia-dortmund-starlet-ousmane-dembele-9016505, I reckon he'll end up there sooner or later.
A possible Barca attack in 2 or 3 years after Iniesta's retirement:
------------Suarez
Neymar---------------Dembele
------------Messi
Best talent in the world right now. He just needs to add goals to his skills.
Great story.
Watzke is merely keeping a cool head, and hats off to him for that. It was only a decade before that very club you are talking about almost went bancrupt because they gambled the way you are advocating ("does not want to pay players accordingly"). I could name several dozen other examples.
I also think you are wrong suggesting that the fans would expect "miracles from younger guys". None of the fans and supportes i know (those which deserve these names) expect that of their respective teams. What they all want is the feeling that the players of the team play with the same kind of passion that the fans have for their team. If they sense that, they will accept it if it doesn't work out with the win or the title or whatever. They will be pissed no end about a loss against their rivals or losing the title by a small margin, but they won't be angry at the team or the coach if they feel they've given it all.
Regarding that shit about ticket prices etcetera: When was the last time you saw a major english club feature in any "best atmospheres in football" youtube?
Palace and Liverpool(wouldn't say rightly so) do.
Lovely post.
There's also an article somewhere about how he always picks United on FIFA.
I don't think these things matter that much.
The more relevant question will be whether the likes of Barcelona and Bayern would be able to afford him at that time. Or whether United will be one of the only clubs who could
The more relevant question will be whether the likes of Barcelona and Bayern would be able to afford him at that time. Or whether United will be one of the only clubs who could
Hoping for the financial trump card is your best bet, I suppose. But in the end, he'll be able to choose the giant he wants to play for, and whoever this is going to be, will find a way to afford him.
This might be kinda off-topic, I was reading about 1860 München and saw that they sold their 50% of the Allianz Arena for 11M € in 2006 due to some financial issues, I guess most of the german fans would be in this thread so I had to ask, isn't this seen as a "steal" from 1860? I'd say 11M for half the stadium rights when the combined cost to build it seem to surpass 500M seems absurdly low, even if they retained the privilege of playing there until 2025
You forget about the huge debt involved they got rid off that way
Yeah, they robbed 1860 on that one. There are rumours that 1860 director back then sold their share on purpose under value due to some dubious connections with FC Bayern.
No sympathy with 1860 tho, they dug themselves into that hole, Bayern simply made use of their situation as they desperately needed the money. It's just funny that Bayern continuously painted themselves as the white knight who saved 1860.
Bayern took over their half of the stadium debt as well. People often make it sound as if we bought half the fully paid stadium for 11m, when 1860 barely had paid anything yet. 1860 also had the option to buy back their stadium shares until 2010 but sold that option to Bayern a year later in 2007 as well.
There's some truth in it that we benefited from 1860's financial crisis, arguably bought the shares under value, but a lot of it is hindsight. No one could expect our financial development back in 2006 and that we could pay off the full stadium (and not just half the stadium as originally planned) so easily without big restraints to the squad.
Just a myth which was pulled out again by their investor. The amount of 11 million euros is exactly the amount 1860 paid for the arena till this date. Bayern took over their complete debts (175 million). 1860 were not able to pay their interests and had no chance to get a loan. So this was one of few chances for them to generate some money and Bayern paid them the correct amount. Also their former manager still says they would have gone broke without that deal.
e: Balu was fast then me
e: Balu was fast then me
They used the 11M to get rid of the debt, or was it 11M + liquidating 1860's debt with more Bayern money?
I can understand Bayern taking advantage of the fact that 1860 were facing dissolution and they saved them by buying their only asset at extrem discount, still I don't think getting 50% of a property like the Allianz Arena for 11M is a move that can't raise some suspicions
Yeah, I read something about 1860's boss cheating on the construction adjudication and getting sentenced for that, it only made the whole thing look worse to me
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Thanks, this looks like the proper thing to me now, the figure that Bayern bought the whole thing for 11M seemed absurd.
Guess is something similar to what Lim had to do in order to buy Valencia, he didn't pay an "absurd" amount of money to the people in charge, but he did have to invest a lot to liquidate the debt Valencia were still carrying from the construction of their new stadium
Brause Leipzig set to go to top again.
Referees in this league are laughable. Deciding games at will at this point.
Leipzig put some pressure on Bayern before tomorrow and midweek's clash.
Gladbach lose again away from home. Their away record is abysmal.
The way Hertha time and time again approach "top matches" is just embarrassing. There was no need to play stone age football today. We could have just tried and gone for the win and if we would have lost that way, nobody would have complained.
Instead we defended almost like Ingolstadt in the hope that we would maybe get a 1-0 win somehow and of course it didn't work.
Instead we defended almost like Ingolstadt in the hope that we would maybe get a 1-0 win somehow and of course it didn't work.
It's happening so wide spread these days that I'm thinking it isn't down to incompetence but rather that the intensity of the matches has become too high for the current model to keep up with the flow of the game. Maybe they should go wild with the TV ref idea, make him the actual person in charge of the decision and the one on the pitch just an assistant.
Which game does that refer to?
o, one and a half club... i'm old enough to remember the days when every single supporter in europe looked at english stadium atmosphere with envy and awe.
Watzke is merely keeping a cool head, and hats off to him for that. It was only a decade before that very club you are talking about almost went bancrupt because they gambled the way you are advocating ("does not want to pay players accordingly"). I could name several dozen other examples.
I also think you are wrong suggesting that the fans would expect "miracles from younger guys". None of the fans and supportes i know (those which deserve these names) expect that of their respective teams. What they all want is the feeling that the players of the team play with the same kind of passion that the fans have for their team. If they sense that, they will accept it if it doesn't work out with the win or the title or whatever. They will be pissed no end about a loss against their rivals or losing the title by a small margin, but they won't be angry at the team or the coach if they feel they've given it all.
Regarding that shit about ticket prices etcetera: When was the last time you saw a major english club feature in any "best atmospheres in football" youtube?
I love Bayern Munich guys reflecting on Dortmund financial matters. How much Lewa will be making after the extention?
Dortmund lost 3 key players last season. Rode is shit, thank you for shipping him to Dortmund, btw. 3 mil for Weigl till 2021. Well, why would he play for peanuts? Auba extention? Forget that. Dembele would not stay around for too long. Watzke and Zorc need to act like big boys, not as a mid table club. Get better sponsors, expand your markets, whatever it takes.
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Bayern is raiding Hoffenheim now. According to the Sunday's BILD Süle will come for 25m EUR and Rudy on a free.
I really hope the Rudy one is wrong. Süle, not a surprise.
Before stuff like that stops your league will never be real competitive. In order for one of united, liverpool, city, chelsea, tottenham to take one of the most important players in the team of each other they would have to pay an unprecedented amount, and most likely even then they would have no luck and the player would rather be sold abroad.
It is like your entire league just has surrendered to Bayern.
Really hoping RB Leipzig and Dortmund can take a stance soon.
It's not like Southampton is being plucked every single season
Just gtfo with your nonsense finger pointing.
Just gtfo with your nonsense finger pointing.
Southampton yeah, but isn't Hoffenheim supposed to be one of the top teams in Germany along with Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke and RBL? They are currently top 3 and looked very good against Dortmund. That is the equivalent of Chelsea coming and taking the best player from Arsenal for a low sum, and Arsenal being helpless against it.
And stop with your defensive attitude, this isn't a "omgz PL is so much better than your league" post, but it took the influx of sugardaddys for the PL to become competitive again and break our bullying \ domination of the other teams, it will probably take something like that for the BL as well, and your league will be better for it in the long run.
Southampton do, but Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs United, City don't, even Leicester only lost 1 player.
Hoffenheim are a tiny tiny club. Bayern buying a player from Hoffenheim is one of the most normal things to happen. Where did Smalling come from? What about Stones to City?
Just stfu with the constant obnoxious holier than thou finger pointing for once. Every single fecking time. Incredible. It can't be that hard to just keep quiet for a change.
Just stfu with the constant obnoxious holier than thou finger pointing for once. Every single fecking time. Incredible. It can't be that hard to just keep quiet for a change.
Well feck if I know your league. You get my point though, probably hard to accept as a BM supporter just as it was a slap in the face for us MUFC supporters when the sugardaddys came along, but the leagues must be competitive, or else people loose interest.
Hoffenheim spent most of last season battling regulation. And plus I am really surprised Sule did not move last summer.
Hoffenheim is a currently overperforming midtable team which was on the brink of relegation last year. Your analogies are absurd. Funnily I see no one complaining here about Chelsea having bought Kante from your friggin champions other than regretting of not having bought him yourselves.
The amounts of hypocrisy shown here are truly staggering
