Bruno Martins Indi

[JSMHE]

As a squad player? We need more than 3 centrebacks on our books.

I agree about playing the 3 we have, that's what I'd do. Pair 2 out of the 3 together and give them a run, but I wouldn't be against buying this guy (or someone like him, young, solid, strong, pretty quick, and with room to improve) as back up for the squad. He wouldn't be particularly expensive either.

As I said before, it would be a waste of talent to sign him right now for a squad player. Centre back needs more experience to be a great one. 3 CBs + youths without any Europe competition is enough. If we want to sign a CB, it has to be better than Smalling and Jones or players that can bench them. We don't wanna rotate our CB in every game.

Jones and Smalling are still young. Jones and Smalling are solid and strong. Smalling is even quicker. But solid, strong, quick are not the only ones we need in centre back criteria.

 

[Zoo]

He played one lovely pass into feet at the start of the game when most CB's would've played it safe and cleared it. Still looks a bit raw but he could be a good signing to come in and compete with the other 3.

 

[Revan]

As I said before, it would be a waste of talent to sign him right now for a squad player. Centre back needs more experience to be a great one. 3 CBs + youths without any Europe competition is enough. If we want to sign a CB, it has to be better than Smalling and Jones or players that can bench them. We don't wanna rotate our CB in every game.

Jones and Smalling are still young. Jones and Smalling are solid and strong. Smalling is even quicker. But solid, strong, quick are not the only ones we need in centre back criteria.

I don't fancy Smalling chances under LVG. His passing is very bad.

3 CB and youth on theory should be enough, but in our cases we have 3 perma-injured CB. We need another CB and BMI cost cheap so if we can't get a top CB like Hummels then I would like to see us sign him. We will have 45 games next season so we need 4 CB IMO.

 

[JSMHE]

I don't fancy Smalling chances under LVG. His passing is very bad.

3 CB and youth on theory should be enough, but in our cases we have 3 perma-injured CB. We need another CB and BMI cost cheap so if we can't get a top CB like Hummels then I would like to see us sign him. We will have 45 games next season so we need 4 CB IMO.

I won't say very bad. His passing is actually improved significantly this season. I'll call it as a decent passes, he's only bad with his ball control, same story with Jones. I believe LVG would still fancy him for next season. I mean, LVG would give him a lot of chances next season and after the season is finished he will decide either stick with them or sign a new one.

 

[The Neviller]

As I said before, it would be a waste of talent to sign him right now for a squad player. Centre back needs more experience to be a great one. 3 CBs + youths without any Europe competition is enough. If we want to sign a CB, it has to be better than Smalling and Jones or players that can bench them. We don't wanna rotate our CB in every game.

Jones and Smalling are still young. Jones and Smalling are solid and strong. Smalling is even quicker. But solid, strong, quick are not the only ones we need in centre back criteria.

This makes no sense. If you suggest we should play 2 out of the 3 we have as our first choice pairing, what kind of player should we sign as back up? Hummels? Miranda? A £30/40million signing?

This is exactly the type of player we should be signing for the squad, IF we're not going to sign someone to replace any of them.

 

[Revan]

This makes no sense. If you suggest we should play 2 out of the 3 we have as our first choice pairing, what kind of player should we sign as back up? Hummels? Miranda? A £30/40million signing?

This is exactly the type of player we should be signing for the squad, IF we're not going to sign someone to replace any of them.

Exactly. If we sign someone expensive, he will be a signing for the first team, not for the squad.

BMI on the other hand will most likely be content to be a bench warmer, while if he outperforms our other defenders, he'll be a starter. A perfect signing if we can't go for someone great like Hummels.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

He is the most beautiful man alive.

 

[JSMHE]

This makes no sense. If you suggest we should play 2 out of the 3 we have as our first choice pairing, what kind of player should we sign as back up? Hummels? Miranda? A £30/40million signing?

This is exactly the type of player we should be signing for the squad, IF we're not going to sign someone to replace any of them.

There two scenario here. First is stick with Jones, Evans and Smalling for next season to give them chance to play as centre back together for one full season and to prove themself.
There is no need to sign a young squad player. It's just a waste of talent. Indi will just waste his talent if he moves to us as a squad player. I don't mind another centre back for squad player if that player is old just for short term but I really don't like us wasting money just to killing player's talent.

Second is sign a better player for a first choice.
If we sign a better one instead, at least we know that we don't have to rotate them, we can stick with Evans and the new player. We can let Smalling as the cover centre back. While Jones as a cover of Rafael or cover in midfield and another centre back option.

The thing is if we sign Indi who are not better than Smalling and Jones then LVG would be in trouble for picking his pair from 4 of them for starting eleven. And we don't wanna rotate them. However if we sign much better one instead, we can assume that Evans and that new player is our permanent partnership for the rest of the season.
But I prefer the first option, giving Jones, Evans and Smalling and also youth player chances for one full season. We don't have Champion League or European anyway. Having 4 are a bit too much for a team who only compete in the league, FA and capital one cup.

 

[Mister Ed]

There two scenario here. First is stick with Jones, Evans and Smalling for next season to give them chance to play as centre back together for one full season and to prove themself.
There is no need to sign a young squad player. It's just a waste of talent. Indi will just waste his talent if he moves to us as a squad player. I don't mind another centre back for squad player if that player is old just for short term but I really don't like us wasting money just to killing player's talent.

Second is sign a better player for a first choice.
If we sign a better one instead, at least we know that we don't have to rotate them, we can stick with Evans and the new player. We can let Smalling as the cover centre back. While Jones as a cover of Rafael or cover in midfield and another centre back option.

The thing is if we sign Indi who are not better than Smalling and Jones then LVG would be in trouble for picking his pair from 4 of them for starting eleven. And we don't wanna rotate them. However if we sign much better one instead, we can assume that Evans and that new player is our permanent partnership for the rest of the season.
But I prefer the first option, giving Jones, Evans and Smalling and also youth player chances for one full season. We don't have Champion League or European anyway. Having 4 are a bit too much for a team who only compete in the league, FA and capital one cup.

Not sure about that, english players are just massively hyped up in Engeland. BMI is an allround beter footballer than any of our current defenders, I've never seen Jones or Smalling be so easy on the bal and giving such good passes. What we are lacking in the team (amongst decent midfielders and productive wingers) is also good build up from the back, this shouldn't just come from the midfielders, this has to come from the centrebacks aswell. BMI would provide that.

I would like to see a centreback pairing of Jones and BMI with Smalling and Evans as back up. I don't really get why people are so hellbend on seeing Smalling, Evans and Jones getting their chances, they have played loads of football for us, not always at centreback, but more than enough to prove themselves, and by no means are they bad players, but no means are they as good as many people make them out to be on this forum. Reality is that they are very limited footballers, Smalling is tall and strong, Jones works hard and is a beast at times but neither of them are good footballers, when they have the ball at their feet, they haven't got a clue what to do with it except hoofing it away or losing it whilst under pressure. LVG is a coach that wants to play with good footballers, he isn't looking for rock hard defenders, he is looking for players who can control a ball, pick out a pass and help in the build up, he wants circulation and tempo, somebody like BMI would be miles beter on that department. If BMI would have been english and playing at some team like Southampton, people on here would be in awe of him and rating him much higher. But he is at Feynoord and he is the sort of player that can move for relatively low price (compared to the madness, english teams ask for their players, £27m for shaw ) and who could actually turn out to be a much beter player than expected. Just get the guy for €12m and lets have open field competition between BMI, Jones, Smalling and Evans and we'll see which pairing LVG prefers without any prejudgements. Besides with the amount of injurries we get with our defenders and Vidic and Ferdinand gone (who also played like 20+ games each) all 4 of them will get enough game time.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Not sure about that, english players are just massively hyped up in Engeland. BMI is an allround beter footballer than any of our current defenders, I've never seen Jones or Smalling be so easy on the bal and giving such good passes. What we are lacking in the team (amongst decent midfielders and productive wingers) is also good build up from the back, this shouldn't just come from the midfielders, this has to come from the centrebacks aswell. BMI would provide that.
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For all of England's issues they usually do a good job producing defenders, And overall they usually do a much better job than Holland at producing defenders. Indi is better on the ball but, Jones and Smalling are better in the air, stronger better defenders one on one and do a better reading the game. I do not think Indi would be an improvement at all on those two.

 

[JSMHE]

Not sure about that, english players are just massively hyped up in Engeland. BMI is an allround beter footballer than any of our current defenders, I've never seen Jones or Smalling be so easy on the bal and giving such good passes. What we are lacking in the team (amongst decent midfielders and productive wingers) is also good build up from the back, this shouldn't just come from the midfielders, this has to come from the centrebacks aswell. BMI would provide that.

I would like to see a centreback pairing of Jones and BMI with Smalling and Evans as back up. I don't really get why people are so hellbend on seeing Smalling, Evans and Jones getting their chances, they have played loads of football for us, not always at centreback, but more than enough to prove themselves, and by no means are they bad players, but no means are they as good as many people make them out to be on this forum. Reality is that they are very limited footballers, Smalling is tall and strong, Jones works hard and is a beast at times but neither of them are good footballers, when they have the ball at their feet, they haven't got a clue what to do with it except hoofing it away or losing it whilst under pressure. LVG is a coach that wants to play with good footballers, he isn't looking for rock hard defenders, he is looking for players who can control a ball, pick out a pass and help in the build up, he wants circulation and tempo, somebody like BMI would be miles beter on that department. If BMI would have been english and playing at some team like Southampton, people on here would be in awe of him and rating him much higher. But he is at Feynoord and he is the sort of player that can move for relatively low price (compared to the madness, english teams ask for their players, £27m for shaw ) and who could actually turn out to be a much beter player than expected. Just get the guy for €12m and lets have open field competition between BMI, Jones, Smalling and Evans and we'll see which pairing LVG prefers without any prejudgements. Besides with the amount of injurries we get with our defenders and Vidic and Ferdinand gone (who also played like 20+ games each) all 4 of them will get enough game time.

I can't see BMI is currently better. You are just hyping him to think that they are all not at a similar level. BMI isn't proven yet. Play for Feyenoord and Manchester United are two different things. Evans is a top defender. Smalling and Jones haven't get their chances to prove themself in one full season. Smalling isn't an injury prone last season, he plays a lot of this season though, but most of the time he spent his minutes as a right back than a centre back. In the end isn't my decision or your decision. It's LVG decision either stick with our current centre backs or no.

 

[JunesBoy]

Not sure about that, english players are just massively hyped up in Engeland. BMI is an allround beter footballer than any of our current defenders, I've never seen Jones or Smalling be so easy on the bal and giving such good passes. What we are lacking in the team (amongst decent midfielders and productive wingers) is also good build up from the back, this shouldn't just come from the midfielders, this has to come from the centrebacks aswell. BMI would provide that.

I would like to see a centreback pairing of Jones and BMI with Smalling and Evans as back up. I don't really get why people are so hellbend on seeing Smalling, Evans and Jones getting their chances, they have played loads of football for us, not always at centreback, but more than enough to prove themselves, and by no means are they bad players, but no means are they as good as many people make them out to be on this forum. Reality is that they are very limited footballers, Smalling is tall and strong, Jones works hard and is a beast at times but neither of them are good footballers, when they have the ball at their feet, they haven't got a clue what to do with it except hoofing it away or losing it whilst under pressure. LVG is a coach that wants to play with good footballers, he isn't looking for rock hard defenders, he is looking for players who can control a ball, pick out a pass and help in the build up, he wants circulation and tempo, somebody like BMI would be miles beter on that department. If BMI would have been english and playing at some team like Southampton, people on here would be in awe of him and rating him much higher. But he is at Feynoord and he is the sort of player that can move for relatively low price (compared to the madness, english teams ask for their players, £27m for shaw ) and who could actually turn out to be a much beter player than expected. Just get the guy for €12m and lets have open field competition between BMI, Jones, Smalling and Evans and we'll see which pairing LVG prefers without any prejudgements. Besides with the amount of injurries we get with our defenders and Vidic and Ferdinand gone (who also played like 20+ games each) all 4 of them will get enough game time.

Started reading..all I can say.. utter rubbish...
All 3 defenders we have right now are way better and more mature than he is atm.. If he was English he'd be in the Titus Bramble class..

 

[savais]

Martins Indi was nothing special, based on this match anyway. What exactly did he do in the match that impressed everyone? Maybe he is a better player than yesterday showed, but he did not stand out. If anything, I thought he was the only weak link among the back 5. Really hope we are not in for him.

 

[eddiebb]

I think one thing's for sure. If Rooney finds out that BMI will be an important influence in the future of the club he'll probably be worried.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He impressed me on the ball last night. Never looked scared to take it while under pressure, remained composed and 9/10 found a pass to feet. His defender was good but nothing to shout home about, but then for 3 at the back you need a good balance. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we did sign him on that showing.

 

[Unlikely lad]

I think one thing's for sure. If Rooney finds out that BMI will be an important influence in the future of the club he'll probably be worried.

Awful

 

[iBoss]

Martins Indi was nothing special, based on this match anyway. What exactly did he do in the match that impressed everyone? Maybe he is a better player than yesterday showed, but he did not stand out. If anything, I thought he was the only weak link among the back 5. Really hope we are not in for him.

I will never understand how people can make judgements like this after seeing a player play once. If we sign him I'm pretty sure van Gaal has a better idea on whether he is good enough or not. After all, he does manage and pick him for his squads. If we don't sign him then perhaps van Gaal doesn't think he is good enough. However, how can someone who has seen him play once make a judgement on him as definitive as that? You know nothing about him!

 

[Brightonian]

Having only seen bits and bobs before yesterday, I was very impressed with his performance. Has that difficult knack of being dominant without being aggressive. Never gave Spain an inch but also didn't commit a single foul that I can remember. Decent distribution too. He looked a lot like Smalling but more comfortable with the ball at his feet.

 

[mufcwarm92]

He and De Vrij had interesting roles - they followed their man all the way up past the half way line and the full back on their side dropped in. It was a brilliant game to watch tactically.

 

[RedRevongge]

I think BMI has a Fat chance of making it here!

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[Woodzy]

Signing BMI and De Vrij would cancel each other out though.

Anderson and Rooney already spend enough time in De Vrij as it is. Last thing we should be doing is bringing it along to training.

 

[iBoss]

He and De Vrij had interesting roles - they followed their man all the way up past the half way line and the full back on their side dropped in. It was a brilliant game to watch tactically.

I noticed that as well. I suppose it made sense seeing as Spain don't exploit the wings perhaps as much as they should.

 

[2 man midfield]

Signing BMI and De Vrij would cancel each other out though.

Anderson and Rooney already spend enough time in De Vrij as it is. Last thing we should be doing is bringing it along to training.

I barely got that and feel dirty for laughing.

 

[AkaAkuma]

The fact he is left footed and can play both centrally and on the left side of defence counts in his favour, as it means we can adapt tactically during a game.

 

[Mister Ed]

Started reading..all I can say.. utter rubbish...
All 3 defenders we have right now are way better and more mature than he is atm.. If he was English he'd be in the Titus Bramble class..

You start saying my entire argumentation is rubbish (I doubt you even read it all) and than you finish off by saying BMI isn't even beter than Titus Bramble, Titus fecking Bramble...You sir are the embodied of BULLSHIT !

 

[Litch]

BMI.....those scary fecking eyes!!!!

 

[Mister Ed]

I can't see BMI is currently better. You are just hyping him to think that they are all not at a similar level. BMI isn't proven yet. Play for Feyenoord and Manchester United are two different things. Evans is a top defender. Smalling and Jones haven't get their chances to prove themself in one full season. Smalling isn't an injury prone last season, he plays a lot of this season though, but most of the time he spent his minutes as a right back than a centre back. In the end isn't my decision or your decision. It's LVG decision either stick with our current centre backs or no.

Jones and Smalling are ? Sure Feynoord and United are two different things, but that doesn't mean BMI isn't a talented player who is ready to make a step up. Many people were saying last summer Strootman wouldn't be a good signing because he is not proven yet, PSV and United are two different things and he would be too much of a gamble. Now we all want him for £30m since he has proven himself at Roma. Why couldn't somebody like BMI be similar ? I'am not saying he'll defiinitley be, you never know that, but just saying no we don't this guy, he has no chance to come into the team with Jones, Smalling and Evans here, is such utter bullshit. BMI is a very talented player and he would be up for the competition. Also he won't cost a fortune like the other proven players many are rambling on about like Mangala or Benatia, no way would anybody have contemplated paying £25m to £30m for them when they were at their previous clubs. Talented players can evolve into good players and BMI looks like one of those. He has got more ball feeling and football intelligence than I have ever seen from Jones and Smalling, he may not be proven yet as much on the defensive side, but he looks like strong man that won't be pushed aside by the physicality of the PL. I'll sooner see BMI evolve into a worldclass defender than I'd see Jones or Smalling develop into into one, why because of his technique and ball feeling, you need more than just a rockhard good tackler at centreback in modern football. LVG will prefer a good footballer like BMI over somebody like Smalling any day of the week, simply because he fits way more into his football philosphy.

BMI reminds me a bit about a young Vincent Kompany when he was at Anderlecht or Hamburg, I'am quite certain nobody wanted him here when he was there, but now that he is established himself as a worldclass player at City almost every top club would them in their defence if he were available. I'am not saying Jones or Smalling couldn't develop into worldclass players, but i'am just not as convinced by them as many people are, some on here talk about them like they are the best centrebacks in the PL. They all have alot to proof yet and they are all ready to prove it, but I don't see why a little competition would hurt them, definitley if it is a player who can bring something to our game that we don't get from any of our centrebacks (and that will be more important under somebody like LVG). Besides just those 3, simply won't cut it, they are all too injury prone, 4 centrebacks who are on equal footing in terms of competiion for a centreback position would be ideal with the amount of games we have to play.

-We need a centreback
-BMI is young and talented
-He can bring something to our game that neither Smalling or Jones will ever bring
-He won't cost a fortune (£8m to £10m max)

That doesn't seem like a bad transfer to me. In fact when you consider the reality that we simply won't get any of the likes of Hummels, Benatia, Mangala etc and that even an old player like Miranda would still cost us a fortune to get, this transfer makes alot of sense to me.

 

[Nighteyes]

He's 13 days older than Phil Jones, so still relatively young.

 

[savais]

I will never understand how people can make judgements like this after seeing a player play once. If we sign him I'm pretty sure van Gaal has a better idea on whether he is good enough or not. After all, he does manage and pick him for his squads. If we don't sign him then perhaps van Gaal doesn't think he is good enough. However, how can someone who has seen him play once make a judgement on him as definitive as that? You know nothing about him!

Fair enough. Perhaps that was a bit over the top. I guess I just got annoyed that everyone kept going on about how impressive he was yesterday, when he really wasn't. I would, however, trust LvG if he did decide to buy him.

 

[walsh]

He's 13 days older than Phil Jones, so still relatively young.

Even Costa looks scared

 

[JSMHE]

Jones and Smalling are ? Sure Feynoord and United are two different things, but that doesn't mean BMI isn't a talented player who is ready to make a step up. Many people were saying last summer Strootman wouldn't be a good signing because he is not proven yet, PSV and United are two different things and he would be too much of a gamble. Now we all want him for £30m since he has proven himself at Roma. Why couldn't somebody like BMI be similar ? I'am not saying he'll defiinitley be, you never know that, but just saying no we don't this guy, he has no chance to come into the team with Jones, Smalling and Evans here, is such utter bullshit. BMI is a very talented player and he would be up for the competition. Also he won't cost a fortune like the other proven players many are rambling on about like Mangala or Benatia, no way would anybody have contemplated paying £25m to £30m for them when they were at their previous clubs. Talented players can evolve into good players and BMI looks like one of those. He has got more ball feeling and football intelligence than I have ever seen from Jones and Smalling, he may not be proven yet as much on the defensive side, but he looks like strong man that won't be pushed aside by the physicality of the PL. I'll sooner see BMI evolve into a worldclass defender than I'd see Jones or Smalling develop into into one, why because of his technique and ball feeling, you need more than just a rockhard good tackler at centreback in modern football. LVG will prefer a good footballer like BMI over somebody like Smalling any day of the week, simply because he fits way more into his football philosphy.

BMI reminds me a bit about a young Vincent Kompany when he was at Anderlecht or Hamburg, I'am quite certain nobody wanted him here when he was there, but now that he is established himself as a worldclass player at City almost every top club would them in their defence if he were available. I'am not saying Jones or Smalling couldn't develop into worldclass players, but i'am just not as convinced by them as many people are, some on here talk about them like they are the best centrebacks in the PL. They all have alot to proof yet and they are all ready to prove it, but I don't see why a little competition would hurt them, definitley if it is a player who can bring something to our game that we don't get from any of our centrebacks (and that will be more important under somebody like LVG). Besides just those 3, simply won't cut it, they are all too injury prone, 4 centrebacks who are on equal footing in terms of competiion for a centreback position would be ideal with the amount of games we have to play.

-We need a centreback
-BMI is young and talented
-He can bring something to our game that neither Smalling or Jones will ever bring
-He won't cost a fortune (£8m to £10m max)

That doesn't seem like a bad transfer to me. In fact when you consider the reality that we simply won't get any of the likes of Hummels, Benatia, Mangala etc and that even an old player like Miranda would still cost us a fortune to get, this transfer makes alot of sense to me.

Jones and Smalling never get their chance to prove themself for Manchester United one full season before. And BMI, Smalling and Jones are not proven yet. That's why I called them in a similar level. And you are trying to hype a Feyenoord player who isn't proven yet. BMI is nothing different with Smalling and Jones at the moment. Talent are wasted if we don't use them in a proper way. How can Smalling and Jones would be developed if we keep rotate them in every week. Imagine Jones, Smalling Evans and BMI are being rotated together with only EPL, FA and capital one cup competitions. Not to mention Keane is waiting to get his chance to prove himself.

There are many people out there wanted Strootman last season including me. You are just making things up about many people didn't want Strootman. And Strootman is a midfield. We don't have a 100% ready for first team young midfield at the moment so it's obviously we want midfield. While having 4 equally level centre backs in only domestic competition, that's a lot and too much for the manager to rotate them.

You are the one who making things up with bullshit! not me!!. I never said, "he has no chance to come into the team with Jones, Smalling and Evans". You got no proof!!!
Someone else said we signed BMI for squad players, complain and argue with them, not me!! I'm the one who said that BMI, Jones and Smalling are on a similar level and if we signed BMI it means we will rotate them. I don't like rotating pair defenders too much. Not a bad transfer but it's a waste talent if we keep rotating them.
I don't see why can't we give Smalling and Jones and youth chances to be paired with Evans in one full season, if they are not good enough, we can sign a new player.

 

[Mister Ed]

Jones and Smalling never get their chance to prove themself for Manchester United one full season before. And BMI, Smalling and Jones are not proven yet. That's why I called them in a similar level. And you are trying to hype a Feyenoord player who isn't proven yet. BMI is nothing different with Smalling and Jones at the moment. Talent are wasted if we don't use them in a proper way. How can Smalling and Jones would be developed if we keep rotate them in every week. Imagine Jones, Smalling Evans and BMI are being rotated together with only EPL, FA and capital one cup competitions. Not to mention Keane is waiting to get his chance to prove himself.

There are many people out there wanted Strootman last season including me. You are just making things up about many people didn't want Strootman. And Strootman is a midfield. We don't have a 100% ready for first team young midfield at the moment so it's obviously we want midfield. While having 4 equally level centre backs in only domestic competition, that's a lot and too much for the manager to rotate them.

You are the one who making things up with bullshit! not me!!. I never said, "he has no chance to come into the team with Jones, Smalling and Evans". You got no proof!!!
Someone else said we signed BMI for squad players, complain and argue with them, not me!! I'm the one who said that BMI, Jones and Smalling are on a similar level and if we signed BMI it means we will rotate them. I don't like rotating pair defenders too much. Not a bad transfer but it's a waste talent if we keep rotating them.
I don't see why can't we give Smalling and Jones and youth chances to be paired with Evans in one full season, if they are not good enough, we can sign a new player.

Because if it fails we'll be without CL again next season. Honestly our defence was crap this season and it was also often ended up needing to play Ferdinand or Vidic because those 3 were injurred. In what world is 4 centrebacks in a team to much to accomodate ? You need all positions double covered in the team.

A pair of Smalling, Jones and Evans could still be the ones playing most games, if they stay fit and if they prove to be the best ones in training and if they deliver on the pitch. In case one of those 3 assumptions falls trough we'll be fecking lucky to have another option in the team. Worst that could happen is BMI turns out not be good enough, well than he won't play and it will be Smalling, Jones, Evans that will have to step up. In that case we'd maybay lose our investment of £10m, worse things have happened. Best case BMI turns out to be a fantastic footballer for LVG and than we'll have made a fantastic signing.

 

[walsh]

Smalling and Jones will both be quality centre-backs at United for a long time. We need another centre-back regardless though, you have to have four available especially when we have such a horrific injury record with our defenders.

 

[JSMHE]

Because if it fails we'll be without CL again next season. Honestly our defence was crap this season and it was also often ended up needing to play Ferdinand or Vidic because those 3 were injurred. In what world is 4 centrebacks in a team to much to accomodate ? You need all positions double covered in the team.

A pair of Smalling, Jones and Evans could still be the ones playing most games, if they stay fit and if they prove to be the best ones in training and if they deliver on the pitch. In case one of those 3 assumptions falls trough we'll be fecking lucky to have another option in the team. Worst that could happen is BMI turns out not be good enough, well than he won't play and it will be Smalling, Jones, Evans that will have to step up. In that case we'd maybay lose our investment of £10m, worse things have happened. Best case BMI turns out to be a fantastic footballer for LVG and than we'll have made a fantastic signing.

If it fails then LVG is just nothing different with Moyes. If LVG's coaching staff turn Vlaar into their best centre backs to beat Spain 5-1, then getting CL only next season with our current centre backs for LVG shouldn't be a big problem.
The main injury issue is basically coming from the right back. If we have backup for Rafael or if Rafael isn't injury prone then Smalling didn't need to play out of position. Even in the end of season after Moyes is sacked, Smalling sat on the bench against Norwich and Jones played as a right back. With Rio and Vidic, in those 4 remaining games we have 3 until 4 available centre backs ready to play. But no right back.

 

[m1y2]

I am never sure about the new situation regarding to our CBacks. When there is speculation about HUmmels in the paper Id defo like to have him here but then again if he doesnt come I think we are alright.. Smalling will play zero matches on RB, same for Jones, so they are fit and ready for the CB role, Evans can be rested and Keane will step up, hes really talented and good enough to play for us.. thats for two domestic cups and premier league 4 CBacks so I would be alright with that, we can play Carras there as well against weaker oppositions, LVG will love his ability on the ball, and in case fellaini will proove himself useless in midfield we can try him at CB as well if necessary.. Id also give anything to see LVG playing Rooney at CB, in case all our cbs are injured as a signal he is not good enough for any other position and to proove his 300k per week there.. remember berba playing there? Itd be hilarious

as for bruno martins indi, hes another talent and could be our 4th centre back maybe so there is no need to buy a player like him.. If we want to buy a centre back it should be world class not another backup..

 

[JPRouve]

If it fails then LVG is just nothing different with Moyes. If LVG's coaching staff turn Vlaar into their best centre backs to beat Spain 5-1, then getting CL only next season with our current centre backs for LVG shouldn't be a big problem.
The main injury issue is basically coming from the right back. If we have backup for Rafael or if Rafael isn't injury prone then Smalling didn't need to play out of position. Even in the end of season after Moyes is sacked, Smalling sat on the bench against Norwich and Jones played as a right back. With Rio and Vidic, in those 4 remaining games we have 3 until 4 available centre backs ready to play. But no right back.

Exactly, and i prefer us to go for Janmaat who i think is a better player than go for the likes of Martins Indi or De Vriij.

 

[The Neviller]

If it fails then LVG is just nothing different with Moyes. If LVG's coaching staff turn Vlaar into their best centre backs to beat Spain 5-1, then getting CL only next season with our current centre backs for LVG shouldn't be a big problem.
The main injury issue is basically coming from the right back. If we have backup for Rafael or if Rafael isn't injury prone then Smalling didn't need to play out of position. Even in the end of season after Moyes is sacked, Smalling sat on the bench against Norwich and Jones played as a right back. With Rio and Vidic, in those 4 remaining games we have 3 until 4 available centre backs ready to play. But no right back.

Can we not sign a centre back as well as right back cover? Does one transfer depend on the other? Or bring Varela/Janko up from the reserves? You're advocating Keane as our center back cover, what's wrong with another youth player as right back cover? It's a strange idea that you can't sign a player for one position because you need one for another position.

Look, if LVG comes here and reckons Keane is good enough to bring up and provide cover in both positions then I'm happy enough to see it, but if he reckons BMI would be a good signing as a 4th senior centre back then what's the problem? 3 certainly isn't enough, we've just lost 2.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Smalling and Jones will both be quality centre-backs at United for a long time. We need another centre-back regardless though, you have to have four available especially when we have such a horrific injury record with our defenders.

Couldn't agree more. I personally think Evans is our strongest CB at the moment and Smalling would be my #2. But yeah, getting in another quality, experienced CB would ease a lot of worries.

 

[JSMHE]

Can we not sign a centre back as well as right back cover? Does one transfer depend on the other? Or bring Varela/Janko up from the reserves? You're advocating Keane as our center back cover, what's wrong with another youth player as right back cover? It's a strange idea that you can't sign a player for one position because you need one for another position.

Look, if LVG comes here and reckons Keane is good enough to bring up and provide cover in both positions then I'm happy enough to see it, but if he reckons BMI would be a good signing as a 4th senior centre back then what's the problem? 3 certainly isn't enough, we've just lost 2.

I prefer an additional experience for short period term than a non experience one like BMI, I just don't like him wasting his talent to be a rotation risk with us. You are just can't agree and respect with someone opinion. I have my own opinion for trusting our current centre backs. You have your own opinion to bring BMI. It's not like LVG will need to ask me in personal to sign players. It's his own decision to choose either giving one full season chance to our current centre backs or sign a new one.

 

[JPRouve]

Can we not sign a centre back as well as right back cover? Does one transfer depend on the other? Or bring Varela/Janko up from the reserves? You're advocating Keane as our center back cover, what's wrong with another youth player as right back cover? It's a strange idea that you can't sign a player for one position because you need one for another position.

Look, if LVG comes here and reckons Keane is good enough to bring up and provide cover in both positions then I'm happy enough to see it, but if he reckons BMI would be a good signing as a 4th senior centre back then what's the problem? 3 certainly isn't enough, we've just lost 2.

I hear you but like JSMHE said we needed 5 CBs because we didn't have cover for Rafael. So it would probably be a better idea to find a competent RB like Janmaat. And use Keane as cover for the CBs or if we really don't trust Keane, purchase a CB who is unequivocally better than Jones or Smalling not someone who is at the moment "ranked" between them and Keane.