What are your thoughts if we were to play him wide right like how Beckham did in the past? Crossing, set pieces, work rate, long shots and long passes?
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What are your thoughts if we were to play him wide right like how Beckham did in the past? Crossing, set pieces, work rate, long shots and long passes?
I think the post you wrote I think a page back where you compared him to Frank Lampard and a worse version of KDB was a very fair comparison.
Also yes he can be easily knocked over but to your credit he also is not a CM at all in the mold of a Modric and Scholes. He is in fact an AM and that is for sure his best position.
He has really never played there for Sporting and I feel with the speed of play in the EPL he would be a waste out wide. Granted he never played there so who knows but if I am a coach I am playing the guy who scored 34 goals in the middle of the park behind the striker and not out wide.
They don't not one bit BUT they are both AM which I think is what he was trying to say. Granted I have not fully read through your guys debate so I am not sure.
I think this has been misunderstood. Mkhi was AM in Shaktar but has been playing more on the wing more than he does as AM at Dortmund or even at United & arsenal. I don’t see Bruno to end up the same way as Mkhi.
While the likes of Modric & Scholes started their career as AM and end up playing deeper that includes with the likes of Lampard (which I also mentioned). Scholes was a goal machine when he played behind Ruud & Lampard was also goal machine as a midfielder. I see Bruno end up in the same way as lot of midfielder who can be AM & CM.
I never say Bruno is similar to Modric or even Scholes, @Devil may care just poisoning you with my word. I said he’s more identical to them (Lampard, Scholes or Modric) than Mkhi since there is a few similarity while with Mkhi I don’t see a single similarity. What do you think? If mine & his comparison have no single similarity at all then it’ll clarify it
Never said he's like Modric but there's simillarities with Scholes. Not in style but they both work the same areas. Can be seen all over the pitch playing one-twos or spraying long passes but also get to finishing positions very well.
No. What he was saying Bruno has the same playing style as Mkhi.
Please don’t start the fire. Let’s keep the discussion simple here.
This guy top it. @Devil may care
This is why I said he’s more similar to Scholes, Lampard & etc more than Mkhi.
Nothing like Mkhi then. Still see some similarity with how clinical Scholes was in 2002/2003 when played behind Ruud and how clinical Lampard.
You say keep it simple yet you have me tagged into 4 posts in a few minutes, that is nuts dude. You said he's more comparable to Scholes and Modric, @SportingCP96 said he's nothing like either, so you were flat out wrong, he also said his style wasn't like Mkhi, so I was wrong which I held my hand up to as I would. You need to chill. Also De Bruyne isn't a playmaker, he's an AM who provides the finish to moves, which is what I said.
Thanks, gotcha now, glad to get a clear view on it, his build and the way he moves and supplies a final ball reminded me of Mkhi, but I respect the fact you know a lot more than I do, I just got locked into this crazy debate where a guy is comparing him to players he is even less like.
Exactly, which is fair enough, I think people trying to push this idea he could play in a midfield 2 or with him and Pogba ahead of a DM are distorting the debate even further with more untruths. He is purely an AM that will work back and press, like Lingard does when he plays in a midfield 3, and no I am not comparing them entirely, just those features of them as an AM.
Dude relax,
I tagged you into 4 posts so we can end this, don’t be so sensitive about it. I did ask @SportingCP96 whether there is similarity for both our comparison, if no single similarity then it’ll clarify it.
@broccoli explanation is much clear & better than mine why I mentioned Scholes or Lampard.
Thanks, gotcha now, glad to get a clear view on it, his build and the way he moves and supplies a final ball reminded me of Mkhi, but I respect the fact you know a lot more than I do, I just got locked into this crazy debate where a guy is comparing him to players he is even less like.
Exactly, which is fair enough, I think people trying to push this idea he could play in a midfield 2 or with him and Pogba ahead of a DM are distorting the debate even further with more untruths. He is purely an AM that will work back and press, like Lingard does when he plays in a midfield 3, and no I am not comparing them entirely, just those features of them as an AM.
So this is done then, glad we finally settle this. He’s nothing like Mkhi. Although I must say the way he moves & supplies a final ball reminded me of Scholes & Lampard.
I'm relaxed, I'm not the one firing off posts like an uzi trying to avoid admitting I was wrong, I did that, you are still trying to be cute below by throwing Scholes in, we agreed on Lampard as regards shooting, Lampard wasn't an eye of the needle passser in the final 3rd, we discovered you don't know what a playmaker is, and we resolved that he's not like Mkhi, Scholes or Modric, so yeah, it's done.
The 's' in his last name instead of a 'z' bothers me for some reason. It should be Bruno Fernandez.
If anyone listens to athletico mince, I can’t get bob’s Steve McLaren impression out my head when reading his name.
Really fecking hope he doesn’t go to
Liverpool, after the interview above.
Really fecking hope he doesn’t go to
Liverpool, after the interview above.
Just because I threw Scholes doesn’t mean I don’t admit wrong, you threw Mkhi name as well in your last post so I replied with Scholes.
If you are done then don’t act like a baby & start making an argument.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...-analysis-bruno-fernandes-sporting-statistics
https://www.90min.com/posts/6314645...p-playmaker-bruno-fernandes-ahead-of-50m-move
May be you need to read them to understand what’s playmaker.
He's Portuguese so that s is surely pronounced like a sh sound.
Interesting short article on the surname "Fernandes":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandes
It seems pretty common in Portuguese speaking countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandes
It seems pretty common in Portuguese speaking countries.
It's the 3rd most common surname in Angola....the hell?
It was a Portuguese colony, I think.It's the 3rd most common surname in Angola....the hell?
Nothing like Scholes. The only player of ours he's similar to, is Rooney. Rooney's love for punting long balls to the wing while thinking he's an accomplished midfielder.
I mentioned him supplying a final ball like Mkhi, you added Scholes in when that wasn't Scholes role bar one season early in his career.
Yes, because a post from a football blogger means anything to me, being a creator in the final 3rd is not a playmaker, even the Sporting fan said he's not, but go by whatever you want to be right in your own world, it's all good, now we are done, hopefully.
So? That’s because Scholes is capable to do it. He moved deeper because Sir Alex played 442.
The articles are made by sporting fans. Sporting Lisbon in here said he’s not a playmaker who is dictating or controlling the tempo. That’s deep playmaker & there are different type of playmaker, are you telling me there is only one type of playmaker. You just want to hear, read & listen to something that you want to hear mate.
If it’s end then end don’t start making another argument. Shall we end this?
Heh. He's somewhat similar to De Bruyne in playing style i would say. A modern #10. Or Eriksen too. Not as good as De Bruyne of course, not nearly, nor as complete or versatile
Mkhi's problem isn't that he's easily knocked over, it's that he doesn't have the stomach for contact. He lets himself be bullied off the ball and his weak mentality makes him go onto his shell. Bruno has no such problems. He's got unreal confidence and is the type who'd take getting knocked off the ball as a mortal insult
Ok to end this @Devil may care and @UNITED ACADEMY 1. Bruno Fernandes is nothing like Modric or Scholes in the way they dictate the tempo of the game and distribute the ball.
2. Bruno Fernandes is also nothing like Miki in terms of style of play.
3. Bruno is purely an AM not a CM. If you were to get him his best position would always be behind the striker in that #10 role.
4. Bruno Fernandes IS a good passer though and can create many opportunities as shown by the 18 minute video I posted above. He has had 16 assists in back to back season and would have more if his teammates weren’t as bad as they were.
5. Lastly he is more comparable to say say a Lampard and a Kevin are Bruyne (albeit a worse version because KDB is amazing). Also I can see why you mentioned Scholes but Bruno has better attacking qualities then Scholes did and Scholes had much better passing and distributing ability which is why he ended up dropping so deep.
6. One more note. Saying he will drop back and play deeper is only speculation because it could happen or it won’t happen. Players change positions all the time though I dont see it happening.
I can see both points you guys were making and it seems to me like a mix of miscommunication and information which is FINE.
Hopefully this helps clear some things up guys! In the end of the day it’s just football let’s not get all upset
2. Bruno Fernandes is also nothing like Miki in terms of style of play.
3. Bruno is purely an AM not a CM. If you were to get him his best position would always be behind the striker in that #10 role.
4. Bruno Fernandes IS a good passer though and can create many opportunities as shown by the 18 minute video I posted above. He has had 16 assists in back to back season and would have more if his teammates weren’t as bad as they were.
5. Lastly he is more comparable to say say a Lampard and a Kevin are Bruyne (albeit a worse version because KDB is amazing). Also I can see why you mentioned Scholes but Bruno has better attacking qualities then Scholes did and Scholes had much better passing and distributing ability which is why he ended up dropping so deep.
6. One more note. Saying he will drop back and play deeper is only speculation because it could happen or it won’t happen. Players change positions all the time though I dont see it happening.
I can see both points you guys were making and it seems to me like a mix of miscommunication and information which is FINE.
Hopefully this helps clear some things up guys! In the end of the day it’s just football let’s not get all upset
Heh. He's somewhat similar to De Bruyne in playing style i would say. A modern #10. Or Eriksen too. Not as good as De Bruyne of course, not nearly, nor as complete or versatile
Mkhi's problem isn't that he's easily knocked over, it's that he doesn't have the stomach for contact. He lets himself be bullied off the ball and his weak mentality makes him go onto his shell. Bruno has no such problems. He's got unreal confidence and is the type who'd take getting knocked off the ball as a mortal insult
They both are amazing playmaker. Fans of Eriksen but unrealistic to sign him, good thing that someone similar like Bruno is available.
Good post. I agree on the KDB, ericksen, and Lampard comparisons.Heh. He's somewhat similar to De Bruyne in playing style i would say. A modern #10. Or Eriksen too. Not as good as De Bruyne of course, not nearly, nor as complete or versatile
Mkhi's problem isn't that he's easily knocked over, it's that he doesn't have the stomach for contact. He lets himself be bullied off the ball and his weak mentality makes him go onto his shell. Bruno has no such problems. He's got unreal confidence and is the type who'd take getting knocked off the ball as a mortal insult
Also on the confidence part Bruno is such a rowdy player his personality is perfect for EPL. The type fans fall in love with.
Thanks @SportingCP96 Very helpful mate.
No, yes and yes.
Eriksen is an interesting comparison as well, not as refined but perhaps a bit more dynamic. A poor man's De Bruyne is the best comparison I've seen in the thread.
Why does Bruno get knocked over so much though? Is it a phsychal issue or is it as another post suggested, a balance issue?
No, yes and yes.
Heh. He's somewhat similar to De Bruyne in playing style i would say. A modern #10. Or Eriksen too. Not as good as De Bruyne of course, not nearly, nor as complete or versatile
Mkhi's problem isn't that he's easily knocked over, it's that he doesn't have the stomach for contact. He lets himself be bullied off the ball and his weak mentality makes him go onto his shell. Bruno has no such problems. He's got unreal confidence and is the type who'd take getting knocked off the ball as a mortal insult
Eriksen is an interesting comparison as well, not as refined but perhaps a bit more dynamic. A poor man's De Bruyne is the best comparison I've seen in the thread.
Why does Bruno get knocked over so much though? Is it a phsychal issue or is it as another post suggested, a balance issue?
Ok to end this @Devil may care and @UNITED ACADEMY 1. Bruno Fernandes is nothing like Modric or Scholes in the way they dictate the tempo of the game and distribute the ball.
2. Bruno Fernandes is also nothing like Miki in terms of style of play.
3. Bruno is purely an AM not a CM. If you were to get him his best position would always be behind the striker in that #10 role.
4. Bruno Fernandes IS a good passer though and can create many opportunities as shown by the 18 minute video I posted above. He has had 16 assists in back to back season and would have more if his teammates weren’t as bad as they were.
5. Lastly he is more comparable to say say a Lampard and a Kevin are Bruyne (albeit a worse version because KDB is amazing). Also I can see why you mentioned Scholes but Bruno has better attacking qualities then Scholes did and Scholes had much better passing and distributing ability which is why he ended up dropping so deep.
6. One more note. Saying he will drop back and play deeper is only speculation because it could happen or it won’t happen. Players change positions all the time though I dont see it happening.
I can see both points you guys were making and it seems to me like a mix of miscommunication and information which is FINE.
Hopefully this helps clear some things up guys! In the end of the day it’s just football let’s not get all upset
Thanks for the input buddy. Good clarification.
You have clarify that he’s not good in winger. What do you think about him playing as false 9? A couple weeks ago I had a thought that we might not get a Right winger, I was hoping to see him playing in no 10 4312 or false 9 if we get him.
What do you say about whoscored mentioned showing that he played more games as CM than AM?
The other guys are stronger. Bruno is a skinny guy but he has a lot of “raça” don’t know what word that is in English but pretty much he has a very “fire” personality in the sense that he will challenge anyone and he is very vocal.
I know that might not have made much sense but I had no idea how to word what I was trying to say
You need to know the difference between maestro (deep playmaker) & playmaker. There are more than one playmaker.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker
Worlds longest game of tag going on in here @RedCafe.
About who scored they state the formation as a 4-3-3 but although it is it looks something more like Bruno as a #10 and then 2 DM or CM on either side of him. He is the point or the middle man in that midfield three.
Also I think he would be a waste as a false 9 I don’t see that working. He does better with picking up those lose balls in the 18 or knocked down or layed off by a striker.
The other guys are stronger. Bruno is a skinny guy but he has a lot of “raça” don’t know what word that is in English but pretty much he has a very “fire” personality in the sense that he will challenge anyone and he is very vocal.
I know that might not have made much sense but I had no idea how to word what I was trying to say
I get you mate, fiesty might be the English word for it I think, from how your describe him, kinda like Scrappy Doo?
I know the difference between a playmaker and a creator, and I'm not interested in wikipedia as it can be altered by anyone. thanks
I don’t know man,
I have given you a non wiki website and you denied it because you think it’s posted by football blogger. When I used wiki which is more global and not just an article or book or blog you still don’t like it either.
I guess there is nothing you will believe as long it goes to the opposite of your opinion but going direct to my opinion. I tried to tell you that there are many types of playmaker but you seem to be persistent with what you believe. No point wasting time (both ours).
Anyone that calls a player who is a creator in the final 3rd a playmaker is using the term erroneously, which is the curse of the internet.
I see, that was where I didn’t get how you said he plays more as AM with whoscored show he played more as CM which is why I had a few similar impression with someone like Scholes more than Mkhi where he plays CM can also play AM & has good movement to the final third to score goals.
I guess that’s what you believe.
Ya feisty might be the word. He is very vocal and a leader on the pitch always barking at players and in the refs face. It’s his personality.
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