Maddison really isn't a terrible option, of course he's not called Maddisoninho, so it's not as appealing to the caf.
Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability
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No, I did see him and you are massively overrating the passing of Bruno mate, that's where the issue lies here, you then compare him more to Lampard who never had those "precise weighted passes" you are hanging your hat on with Bruno but has the shooting game, neither are anything like Scholes.
Maddison is rated very highly on Caf. It's just that Leicester won't sell so it's easy to join realistic transfers bandwagon
His stats when compared to Bruno Fernandes border to the ridiculous and really sink the argument of those pushing that agenda.
He does play in a much stronger league which should count for something..
True but highlighting the huge discrepancy in stats won't really help your argument.
There is a huge discrepancy you're right. Maddison has done it in the most competitive league in the world. Whilst the jury is out on Bruno doing the same in a top 5 league.
I don't want to turn this in a Maddison vs Fernandes argument. There are pros and cons to both really. Honestly unless we either play with a false 9 (in that case Bruno would be more appropriate) or sell Pogba I don't want neither of them. Pogba need a 3 men CM with a box to box midfielder on it
Please take my initial argument at face value
I would rather pass on both too with Pogba still around. Would much rather see a us buy a DM and CM instead.
Unless we go for a narrow 4-3-2-1 system. In that case we can sign them both. I don't mind that really
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Fernandes' stats might dwindle in the PL. Most of the teams he has played against over the last two seasons in Portugal are championship level. But if Pogba is set to leave, he might be a good signing. Or even excellent.
A scarcer formation than the diamond, and guaranteed to be unbalanced and a failure. 4-3-1-2, 4-3-2-1, 4-2-2-2 - can’t we just buy a player who actually plays wide right and a player who actually plays centre mid, and play a normal shape with a nice, even spread of players over the pitch.
Its pointless having flank men if we have no one capable of heading the ball in.
Now pogba can easily cover the mezzala role as he did with Juve. Both Maddison and Bruno has experiences in going wide. So they can do the same with Mata, Lingard, Rashy and Martial acting as cover unless of course they are playing upfront
The issue lies to how you are making lazy comparison.
FC Porto fans who watched Portuguese league more often than you were the one who said he had those “precise weighted passes”. But you seem to be the one pretend know any better said that the way how he described Bruno (he mentioned the precise weighted passes) is similar to Mkhy.
Bruno is more identical to Lampard & Scholes than how you call him more identical to Mkhy, even Bruno doesn’t play in the same position as Mkhy. He plays closer to the same role as Lampard and Scholes with also closer style to them than Mkhy.
I'm confused. Bruno is more of a #10 than a #8. So hes basically going to play instead of Lingard or Mata Right? People keep saying these 2 are wingers because we see them lineup up in the broadcasters formation like this,
Martial Rashford Lingard
When in fact they should show like this as it's our actual formation,
Martial Rashford
Lingard
So when we play with Oles preferred diamond midfield and 2 up top who drift wide to give width, why are people on here saying he cant play with pogba.? Bruno will play behind the strikers and Pogba will play where he always does in a midfield 3..
Martial Rashford Lingard
When in fact they should show like this as it's our actual formation,
Martial Rashford
Lingard
So when we play with Oles preferred diamond midfield and 2 up top who drift wide to give width, why are people on here saying he cant play with pogba.? Bruno will play behind the strikers and Pogba will play where he always does in a midfield 3..
It really, really is not. The sole purpose of a player providing width in attack is not to lump the ball into the box. If that were the case, why bother playing full backs aswell then? Just play a back three and squeeze in a third no.10 or a second forward? Or both and just stick with the two centre backs?
I seem to remember a no.7 we used to have whose main purpose was to play wide right and "lump it into the box". Also he was the last person to score at old Trafford so far this year. I don't think Bruno's main purpose will be just crossing it from wide either
We are arguing into the semantic then. You think we are better off with wingers who cut inside and can play like AMCs. I think we should consider AMCs who can go wide at can cover the winger role.
I’m not sure what your point is? And ‘lumping’ it into the box certainly isn’t how I would describe what Beckham did.
I think Maddison is going to be a top player. In fact I like the Leicester team a lot and would swap 70% of their players over ours. I can see Maddison going somewhere like Liverpool in the future.....
Yeah I was just agreeing with you, maybe not in the clearest manner. What I meant was that having a person out wide who can deliver good crosses is underrated by many these days, especially with the rage of having inside forwards. I think Bruno can play like how Becks did for us, maybe not to the same extent but both have a wand of a right foot and the work rate too.
One reason why our forwards scored so little from crosses was that the delivery out wide was so poor most of the time
how much do you think we would be able to buy Maddison for? you are talking 60m there in the current climate - hes a long contract and Leicester aren't in need of money
I don’t think we are, no. I’m sick of watching United fail to stretch the pitch and provide any reasonable sense of directness and penetration off the ball.
Signing two players who want to come towards the ball in supporting attacking positions in this team is a garbage idea, regardless of whether we call them attacking midfielders or wingers.
If the latest reports are to be believed from Abola, then we're looking at €70m to €80m for Bruno.
I think a similar sum could get us Maddison who is still 22 and is reported to be a United fan. I also prefer him because he's English, truth be told. I feel a English core is important tbh.
That's because our fullbacks are shit. Take Juve as an example were Cancelo and Sandro provide most of the width.
What we need is
A- 2 solid CB
B- 2 useful fbs
C-, a well balanced midfield (which include a top b2b)
Once that is achieved it won't matter if we have inside forwards who can cut inside or no 10s who can move to the flanks as long as they are intelligent enough to acknowledge what is needed to be done and switch accordingly
I'd love either Maddison or Bruno.
Probably lean towards Maddison - only going to get better and was fantastic last season in the prem.
Probably lean towards Maddison - only going to get better and was fantastic last season in the prem.
I see. Perhaps, not always though - around here there’s certainly many who acknowledge the ability in good full backs such as Robertson and Alexander-Arnold. Whereas the impact the ones who aren’t quite as technical/ showy can have on games seems to be downplayed (Walker/ Jordi Alba). What I find frustrating about Shaw is not his delivery, but how conservative he is on the overlap.
So I would say that generally a player of Beckham’s ilk isn’t quite my cup of tea, but there’s really no arguing with the sheer quality he provided. Bruno very clearly has a wand of a right foot, as you say, so he would be an asset. And he seems to have operated in the right half of the pitch, so again an asset.
What precise weighted pass in hopeful long punt while counter attacking? Didn't Drinkwater do that often at Leicester before the gimmick was up after opposition started to sit deep against them? Seriously.
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Not really, no. The idea that width has to be provided by the fullbacks is a fallacy. There is no ‘rule’ on who provides what in football.
When you talk about what we need you describe basically an entire new team - two centre halves, two fullbacks, at least one midfielder but probably two, and then the two attacking midfielders. You could form a team to fit absolutely any formation under circumstances where this was actually possible, but it’s not.
Juve were a poor example as well, as a team who has really struggled to get Ronaldo and Dybala into the same lineup, and players like Bernardeshi, Douglas Costa and Cuadrado in the squad. One of those players usually plays to provide width, and Matuidi is often stationed as a wide midfielder aswell.
Why would a Porto fan have seen more of him? He plays for Sporting, that's like saying I'd know more about a Liverpool player than a Portuguese poster simply because the team he plays for is in the same league as my team, when in truth I might only see their players twice a season when they play my team, so that is a lazy thought process on your part. The notion he is anything like Scholes is crazy, that shows me you haven't watched him at all and are basing your entire view off one comment from a Porto fan. His skillset is very much like Mkhi's, as is his lack of physicality, but hey you seem to be taking this personally and if he comes then we shall see and hopefully he'll be this amazing Scholes/Lampard hybrid that you imagine him to be, but I'll say now that I think you'll be in for a rude awakening when you start watching him and aren't just going off the hyperbolic description of somone else.
He's two footed, can shoot and score with both, there's no dithering he shoots, keepers don't like that at all? As for the Premier league it's faster paced more physical maybe. He does look a player we need, and if he comes can see Rice coming next, and Pogba going.
We aren't going to get a rb who can deliver like TAA. Even if AWB comes, he is not known to be a good crosser. Having a creative passer and crossed from the right who will hold the width like Becks, playing as a "right wing playmaker " will be a formidable weapon to have. Also allows AWB to overlap and get into the box or byline more often, which are more his strengths.
Going by Solskjaers plan , which is to eventually progress to a team playing 4-2-2-2 , I would imagine bruno Fernandez to be high on the list of transfers.
Bruno would be part of the two man midfield behind the strikers and infront of the defensive midfield. He would play alongside pogba and not as his replacement.
The role requires a lot of effort and discipline which I think Bruno has:
Good presser
Box to box
Creates chances
Scores goals
We need someone to add some attacking impetus from midfield and bruno would bring this. I just hope we have tied the man down long ago and not lost him to city which would be a shame because he is the kind of player who would take any team to the next level
Bruno would be part of the two man midfield behind the strikers and infront of the defensive midfield. He would play alongside pogba and not as his replacement.
The role requires a lot of effort and discipline which I think Bruno has:
Good presser
Box to box
Creates chances
Scores goals
We need someone to add some attacking impetus from midfield and bruno would bring this. I just hope we have tied the man down long ago and not lost him to city which would be a shame because he is the kind of player who would take any team to the next level
You can’t really compare end product like for like. Fernandes plays in a much weaker league. When he was Maddison’s age he’s played in Italy which is a better league but still weaker than the PL and he did worse numbers than Maddison has this year.
That said, Maddison can’t play in a high pressing team for me so wouldn’t fit Ole’s plans.
Why would someone like you have seen more of him than someone who lived in Portugal, that doesn’t make sense. Never mind about Liverpool players, I would have trust someone who is proven watch more of Portugal players in Portuguese league rather than trusting someone like you who previously thought players like Van Dijk, Firmino & Mane won’t be good enough for United. No brainer decision to decide who should I trust.
Just because there are more than one people calling you “making lazy comparison” doesn’t mean I was taking it personally. You seem to be the one who’s taking this personally when the Porto fan called you making lazy comparison, and I was just repeating the fact but it seems it triggered you again.
I never say he will be as amazing as Scholes or Lampard. I’m just saying his style is closer or more identical to those two players than Mkhy. It doesn’t make him be on their level or even the same playing style.
Do you still want to see Martial Rashford Lingard as front 3 next season? what happened to your ambition?
Seriously, better read the whole discussion before jump to someone conversation
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