Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

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I’d like to know what people’s thoughts are of Bruno joining us over City for money?

...a player like De Light to me is a tad different because he’ll be the face of whatever club he joins as long as he’s there. I see that more of a bidding war and long term investment.

But Bruno, there’s reports (don’t know how accurate) that he’s thinking of picking us because we’ll give £15m more for the transfer fee and high wages. Bit of what City used to be made fun for doing and yet here we are doing it ourselves and as recent as Alexis which was a dumpster fire. Bruno isn’t as old Alexis and still have a lot of mileage left so there’s that. But I’m not sure where I stand on this. Maybe I’m making it out to be a bigger deal than it is? Would love to hear people’s $0.02

I think we have to win out for some of the real statement signings. Fernandes, De Ligt, Sancho are the types of signings that could transform us for many many years.

Going a little hard for these is fine. What is not fine is Bale and his crazy salary, someone like Ramos who is almost finished. Even maybe a Coutinho who is looking like an expensive potential flop to be handed down. Similarly Dybala would be a big risk.
 
I’d like to know what people’s thoughts are of Bruno joining us over City for money?

...a player like De Light to me is a tad different because he’ll be the face of whatever club he joins as long as he’s there. I see that more of a bidding war and long term investment.

But Bruno, there’s reports (don’t know how accurate) that he’s thinking of picking us because we’ll give £15m more for the transfer fee and high wages. Bit of what City used to be made fun for doing and yet here we are doing it ourselves and as recent as Alexis which was a dumpster fire. Bruno isn’t as old Alexis and still have a lot of mileage left so there’s that. But I’m not sure where I stand on this. Maybe I’m making it out to be a bigger deal than it is? Would love to hear people’s $0.02
I'm not really for anyone joining us just because we offer more money. It hurts our reputation, and we're really seeing the effect of that in how Sanchez is massively underperforming. It makes it seem like we're the new 'vacation' team for players who want a fat pay check.

This being said, I wouldn't believe all this "Pep or money" bs. A player joining us could do it because of history, because of the role he is offered in the team or because of players he wants to play with that's already in our team (although I can't think of that many right now). As long as they want to bleed for the shirt and adds to the team I'm all for it.

I think Fernandes is a really hit or miss signing. He could do really well, or he could end up like Fred and have a few good games but mostly bad ones. Although I would still like for Fred to succeed of course. I haven't really seen enough of Fernandes to make a judgement on him, and from the guys who've watched him he seems too good to be playing in the portugese league. But the step up to Premier League is big, and not suited to a lot of players.
 
Imagine we pull off De Ligt, Fernandes, Felix, AWB and James.

That would be a summer that turns my frown upside down.
 
I'm not really for anyone joining us just because we offer more money. It hurts our reputation, and we're really seeing the effect of that in how Sanchez is massively underperforming. It makes it seem like we're the new 'vacation' team for players who want a fat pay check.

This being said, I wouldn't believe all this "Pep or money" bs. A player joining us could do it because of history, because of the role he is offered in the team or because of players he wants to play with that's already in our team (although I can't think of that many right now). As long as they want to bleed for the shirt and adds to the team I'm all for it.

I think Fernandes is a really hit or miss signing. He could do really well, or he could end up like Fred and have a few good games but mostly bad ones. Although I would still like for Fred to succeed of course. I haven't really seen enough of Fernandes to make a judgement on him, and from the guys who've watched him he seems too good to be playing in the portugese league. But the step up to Premier League is big, and not suited to a lot of players.

A lot of the Portuguese players have been transitioning very well in recent years. And Fernandes does seem an incredible talent.

I'd be hugely worried about the impact yet another quality addition would do to City! They can't keep firing on all their signings! Similarly Liverpool who have been straight shooting, not missing a trick.
 
Apart from shitty A Bola linking him with us, has there been any credible links yet?
 
Imagine we pull off De Ligt, Fernandes, Felix, AWB and James.

That would be a summer that turns my frown upside down.

I keep seeing James and thinking Rodriguez and thinking noooooo no no no. Then I remember Daniel and think ahhh yes that's good, very good!

That list would be immense, but is missing a strong RW option and i don't think Felix should be that as a inverted winger forced out wide out of his natural positioning.

Add Sancho and let the party begin. Could genuinely be talking title challenges within next couple of years.
 
Imagine we pull off De Ligt, Fernandes, Felix, AWB and James.

That would be a summer that turns my frown upside down.
I haven't seen James play. Is he a right winger? I thought he plays mainly on the left.
Just curious, who would you play as CDM?
 
Imagine we pull off De Ligt, Fernandes, Felix, AWB and James.

That would be a summer that turns my frown upside down.
AWB would be very underwhelming but I guess the other 4 would make up for it.
 
I haven't seen James play. Is he a right winger? I thought he plays mainly on the left.
Just curious, who would you play as CDM?

From what I know James has played across left and right wing, even down the middle. But he will be very unproven and raw. This is why I think we need someone more technical, because Felix at least looks like that type of player. More polished for his age and able to have better decision making in creative areas on the pitch. For me it feels a good blend too to have someone like him and Bruno around speed merchants like Rashford and James. Pogba wouldn't be so heavily relied upon for goals either.

For CDM we'd have to go in with Matic, Fred and McTominay fighting for the CDM role. It's obviously still a weakness unless Fred can rediscover his form (which to be fair, I think he can do if he sticks to the job he was scouted for which is to break up play from deep). Of course we need to be pragmatic though, we aren't going to fill all weaknesses in one window. I'm of the opinion our attack is as big a problem as our midfield.

Then you have all this debate about whether Bruno and Pogba can be in one starting XI. God knows but it's tasty to think about :wenger:
 
AWB would be very underwhelming but I guess the other 4 would make up for it.

Think he's the best option out of the lot though? Munier is a defensive liability, there aren't much others we're actually linked with.
 
Who'll play RW?

If we signed all those I'd start with a trio of Rashford Felix and James. Felix as a false 9 and allowing Bruno or Pogba to make those runs from deep.

Yeah - a Championship player straight into the first XI. But such is the state of our team at the moment. One or two transfers will need to be punts but it will still be a massive improvement overall given the stability at the back.
 
I would love this signing to happen - to take some of the creative burden off Pogba.

Fernandes, Pogba, Lingard, McTominay, Fred, Matic, Garner. 7 players for the 3 midfield positions. Decent options.
 
If we signed all those I'd start with a trio of Rashford Felix and James. Felix as a false 9 and allowing Bruno or Pogba to make those runs from deep.

Yeah - a Championship player straight into the first XI. But such is the state of our team at the moment. One or two transfers will need to be punts but it will still be a massive improvement overall given the stability at the back.

I'd love that tbh. Felix, Bruno and Pogba would be devestating. I'd like us to get a proper RW though, we have ignored that position for way too long.
 
I'd love that tbh. Felix, Bruno and Pogba would be devestating. I'd like us to get a proper RW though, we have ignored that position for way too long.

We have. I have a feeling we are using James for the future but also as a compromise to wait for Sancho next year. Personally I'd have rather seen us punt on Lozano (not got anything against James, just think he's still less proven than Lozano is, who whilst inconsistent is still blistering at 23 and has a decent return in Holland).
 
Did you see Mkhi at Dortmund? he was one of the most creative players in the Bundesliga in the season before we bought him, he had superb vision and passing, the biggest difference was he was better at running with the ball than Bruno Fernandes and was doing it in a much better league.

He said precise weighted passes not just good or super passing. Someone with precise weighted passes is more suitable in midfield or central role rather than attacking midfield like Mkhy.
 
A lot of the Portuguese players have been transitioning very well in recent years. And Fernandes does seem an incredible talent.

I'd be hugely worried about the impact yet another quality addition would do to City! They can't keep firing on all their signings! Similarly Liverpool who have been straight shooting, not missing a trick.
He seems like a decent talent, and at 24 (turning 25 this year) should be nearing his peak.

The thing with City and Liverpool is that they sign players that fit their system, hence why a lot of them do so well. Also the ones that doesn't do well right away are given time to adjust because they have been building their team for a while and don't have glaring holes they need to fill right away. Meanwhile, our squad is bloated with deadweight and don't really have any system (which I do hope OGS will implement) while we still have huge gaps (the entire right side is a testament to that).
 
I think we have to win out for some of the real statement signings. Fernandes, De Ligt, Sancho are the types of signings that could transform us for many many years.

Going a little hard for these is fine. What is not fine is Bale and his crazy salary, someone like Ramos who is almost finished. Even maybe a Coutinho who is looking like an expensive potential flop to be handed down. Similarly Dybala would be a big risk.

Yea I agree we will have to win out on signings. But where do we draw the fine line between acquiring them and acquiring them to up their salary which another team wouldn’t be able to match/exceed?


I'm not really for anyone joining us just because we offer more money. It hurts our reputation, and we're really seeing the effect of that in how Sanchez is massively underperforming. It makes it seem like we're the new 'vacation' team for players who want a fat pay check.

This being said, I wouldn't believe all this "Pep or money" bs. A player joining us could do it because of history, because of the role he is offered in the team or because of players he wants to play with that's already in our team (although I can't think of that many right now). As long as they want to bleed for the shirt and adds to the team I'm all for it.

I think Fernandes is a really hit or miss signing. He could do really well, or he could end up like Fred and have a few good games but mostly bad ones. Although I would still like for Fred to succeed of course. I haven't really seen enough of Fernandes to make a judgement on him, and from the guys who've watched him he seems too good to be playing in the portugese league. But the step up to Premier League is big, and not suited to a lot of players.

I don’t have any doubts about the player. I’ve been pretty vocal over the past month or so about his ability and how he’d be an upgrade for our club.

It’s just, I agree with you on joining for money and it seems to be what the reports are suggesting. I also don’t want United to become a vacation club where we just hand players boat loads of cash virtually just for marketing purposes because our on field product is crap let’s be honest. I guess the thing as I suggested to the above reply sort of is the million dollar question. How do you differentiate between winning out on a player or making him filthy rich that another club wouldn’t do? It’s a rather grey area for me which I can’t grasp and why I have questions now even though I love the player and fit.
 
He seems like a decent talent, and at 24 (turning 25 this year) should be nearing his peak.

The thing with City and Liverpool is that they sign players that fit their system, hence why a lot of them do so well. Also the ones that doesn't do well right away are given time to adjust because they have been building their team for a while and don't have glaring holes they need to fill right away. Meanwhile, our squad is bloated with deadweight and don't really have any system (which I do hope OGS will implement) while we still have huge gaps (the entire right side is a testament to that).

This is the downside with Fernandes. How do you fit him and Pogba in the same side without having the best DM in the world...whoever that is!
 
Yea I agree we will have to win out on signings. But where do we draw the fine line between acquiring them and acquiring them to up their salary which another team wouldn’t be able to match/exceed?

If it makes you feel better our wages to revenue ratio is the 2nd lowest in the Premiership at 50% based on last years figures.

We are taking action to remove some of the dead cost so why not reinvest in quality.

Fortunately we can afford to out shoot almost everyone as we have such large revenues.
 
Starting to get the (completely unfounded) feeling this is gonna be the summer where we fully do the, “things in the market other clubs dream about” schtick that Woodward came out with way back when.

AWB, De Light, Rabiot, Fernandes, Felix, James would be a great first window of rebuilding.
 
Agreed, even really great players can take some time to acclimatise. Bernardo Silva has looked brilliant this season, certainly a level up from last season.

Can take time, but SIlva was always going to be a great player at City for me. Forgetting Mbappe he stood out a mile for me at Monaco as the talented player when everybody was banging on about the likes of Mendy, Fabinho, Bakayoko et al
 
AWB would be very underwhelming but I guess the other 4 would make up for it.

Nonsense, he would be just as good a signing in his position as any of the others, in a position which has possibly been our weakest for a long time too arguably
 
Nonsense, he would be just as good a signing in his position as any of the others, in a position which has possibly been our weakest for a long time too arguably
Would prefer someone who has at least decent skills with the ball especially as we have Shaw on the other side who doesn't contribute much going forward. But it's not a discussion for this thread.
 
I’d be delighted to get him. That being said I recognize it could take time for him to settle and show his ability. I think some united fans are still arguing from a standpoint that they are expecting instant fixes to all our woes. I think they will be very disappointed again this summer

This is why so many on here want players that have already played in the PL, they think that'll make the fix quicker, but the entire mentality needs lifting in general, I think going into the season hoping for anything more than top 4 is a mistake for any fan.

He said precise weighted passes not just good or super passing. Someone with precise weighted passes is more suitable in midfield or central role rather than attacking midfield like Mkhy.

The wording is just hyperbole mate, if you've watched Mkhi when he was at Dortmund and watched some of Bruno it's prettty evident they are very similar, Bruno isn't Iniesta or Xavi with his passing, and he's doing it in a mediocre league, it's like Fred in the Ukrainian league running through teams, he can't do that in the PL, you have to take the levels into consideration.
 
Yea I agree we will have to win out on signings. But where do we draw the fine line between acquiring them and acquiring them to up their salary which another team wouldn’t be able to match/exceed?




I don’t have any doubts about the player. I’ve been pretty vocal over the past month or so about his ability and how he’d be an upgrade for our club.

It’s just, I agree with you on joining for money and it seems to be what the reports are suggesting. I also don’t want United to become a vacation club where we just hand players boat loads of cash virtually just for marketing purposes because our on field product is crap let’s be honest. I guess the thing as I suggested to the above reply sort of is the million dollar question. How do you differentiate between winning out on a player or making him filthy rich that another club wouldn’t do? It’s a rather grey area for me which I can’t grasp and why I have questions now even though I love the player and fit.
The line can be drawn with certain players. If we're talking about Fernandes I'm not so sure we should be offering huge wages to beat city in the race for him (if there even is a race). He offers more pressing and defensive cpntribution than Pogba, but doesn't have the raw physicality and ability to beat a man or two using his strength (which is usually important in the PL unless you're Hazard). If we were to sell Pogba he could be a feasible cheaper option and work together with other midfield signings that cover the other roles we need. If we are going to keep Pogba, which seems like the most likely scenario this summer, he would probably have to play on the wide right like Mhkitaryan and Mata has done for us. As we don't usually play with a number 10, he might just turn into another player we shoehorn out right. I don't really see the point in buying something that really doesn't fit our system unless we buy the world's best DM and play both Pogba and Fernandes in a 3.

All this being said, he seems like a good player and will probably be decent for anyone who buys him. The question for me is wether or not he fits the system at our club. Sick and tired of buying this or that, but not getting the best out of anyone because they don't fit in. We need to get our shit together, make a system(that works) and stick to it. That's when we'll see results. Hopefully that's what OGS is trying to do, and if he has his eyes set on buying Fernandes I have faith that he thinks he'll fit in. He needs to be given time though, especially since he's working alongside Woodward.
 
Can take time, but SIlva was always going to be a great player at City for me. Forgetting Mbappe he stood out a mile for me at Monaco as the talented player when everybody was banging on about the likes of Mendy, Fabinho, Bakayoko et al
No disagreement from me. Just saying that this year he's showing just how good he is whereas the season before he was still finding his feet to some extent.
 
If you think Mkhy did those precise weighted passes, you either never watch Mkhy at Dortmund or you got no clue what we meant by “precise weighted passes”.

Lampard is more similar style to Bruno than Mkhy.

Even Bruno is more identical to scholes in playing style than Mkhy.

@Devil may care
 
Personally I'd prefer James Maddison.



Prefer Bruno, he’s more into a deeper midfielder (CM) while Maddison is more advanced. Bruno also has much better end product, but if we get Maddison instead of Bruno, not going to complain. Maddison is a very talented one.
 
The line can be drawn with certain players. If we're talking about Fernandes I'm not so sure we should be offering huge wages to beat city in the race for him (if there even is a race). He offers more pressing and defensive cpntribution than Pogba, but doesn't have the raw physicality and ability to beat a man or two using his strength (which is usually important in the PL unless you're Hazard). If we were to sell Pogba he could be a feasible cheaper option and work together with other midfield signings that cover the other roles we need. If we are going to keep Pogba, which seems like the most likely scenario this summer, he would probably have to play on the wide right like Mhkitaryan and Mata has done for us. As we don't usually play with a number 10, he might just turn into another player we shoehorn out right. I don't really see the point in buying something that really doesn't fit our system unless we buy the world's best DM and play both Pogba and Fernandes in a 3.

All this being said, he seems like a good player and will probably be decent for anyone who buys him. The question for me is wether or not he fits the system at our club. Sick and tired of buying this or that, but not getting the best out of anyone because they don't fit in. We need to get our shit together, make a system(that works) and stick to it. That's when we'll see results. Hopefully that's what OGS is trying to do, and if he has his eyes set on buying Fernandes I have faith that he thinks he'll fit in. He needs to be given time though, especially since he's working alongside Woodward.

Very well put and very informative. I tend to agree.

Thanks for that and here’s to hoping if we get him he’s not shoehorned out as a lot of our signings have been !
 
Very well put and very informative. I tend to agree.

Thanks for that and here’s to hoping if we get him he’s not shoehorned out as a lot of our signings have been !
Thanks, I try my best!

Indeed, I do not want anymore players only for the sake of the individual!
 
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