Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

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bosnian_red said:
I agree, just saying that Bruno isnt a player to balance us at all. As for the goals, I think what we have will step up and with a better back 4 itll help. Midfield balance is my main concern though.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/top-scorers

There are last season’s stats. 84 goals, of which 20 will have vanished with Herrera, Fellaini and Lukaku gone.

In attacking reinforcements we have a 17yr old and two 18yr olds in Chong/Gomes.

Not to put too blunt a point on it but 100 goals is a fecking pipe-dream!
 
lsd said:
I don't know how people can get worked up about a player we were never interested in . We haven't missed out as we were never in .

This is what happens when you pay attention to stupid fake ITKs and bs Twitter accounts trying to out guess the others
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I think the point is we are not being linked with any other attacking players, so the club will have a set if attackers most here believe are not good enough to improve us.
 
el3mel said:
You're dreaming mate.
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Volumiza said:
I hope you’re right but I think you’re very optimistic with them numbers. I’ll have some of what you’ve been smoking!
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Shakesey said:
:lol: No! You're kidding! :lol:

Good one!
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Feed Me said:
Martial has come close once, in his first season

Other than that, neither player has shown a likelihood to hit 20 goals

Maybe they can improve this season but we've been asking that for a long time
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They're 21 and 23 right now. Is it a wonder that they've had inconsistent production until now when they were both young and played in deeper wide roles supporting Lukaku as striker? It's a massively different role to the one they will have now, and I have no doubt that across all competitions, both will push 20 goals. We aren't talking league goals. All competitions. We're essentially just telling them to score at a similar right to what they've done in the past, adjusting for more minutes and more attacking roles in a more attacking team.

I have no problem predicting that we'll reach 100 goals across all competitions. It's not that aggressive a prediction (at all). Provided we go far in the Europa league, that total shouldn't be a big problem to reach.
 
bosnian_red said:
They're 21 and 23 right now. Is it a wonder that they've had inconsistent production until now when they were both young and played in deeper wide roles supporting Lukaku as striker? It's a massively different role to the one they will have now, and I have no doubt that across all competitions, both will push 20 goals. We aren't talking league goals. All competitions. We're essentially just telling them to score at a similar right to what they've done in the past, adjusting for more minutes and more attacking roles in a more attacking team.

I have no problem predicting that we'll reach 100 goals across all competitions. It's not that aggressive a prediction (at all). Provided we go far in the Europa league, that total shouldn't be a big problem to reach.
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I hope you're right

Both players have flattered to deceive so far but they are young - although Martial has less excuse on that score
 
Feed Me said:
That's the mood elicited by the way the club continually operates

I don't think anything unreasonable has been said by me and many posters are agreeing

I don't see why you need to have a pop at me personally
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The 'club' has signed one on the top 3 RB's in the league and one of the best CB's in the league this summer. We've won every game in pre-season with the likes of Greenwood and Gomes looking genuinely class. There's a lot to be positive about if you want to see it
 
bosnian_red said:
  • Greenwood 10-15 at a push in all competitions
  • Rashford 20 in all competitions
  • Martial 20 in all competitions
  • Lingard 10 in all competitions
  • Pogba 10-15 in all competitions
  • Rest of the team gets ~30-40 in all competitions
Brings it to a bit over 100 goals in all competitions, basically the same numbers Chelsea and Arsenal had last year. Our problem last year was our defence was mid table while our attack was pretty much the same as Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs level.
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Who are these players?
 
Sandikan said:
Phrases in football have to be in relation to the level in question.
You see people describe our centre backs as "crap" for instance, which is ridiculous.
They're only "crap" in relation to being top 4 team defenders for instance (arguably).

I'd say Herrera is "Limited" as a midfielder for a team looking to win things.

It'll be interesting to see if he cuts it as a regular in PSG's team. Although their league is weaker for one thing.
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Think the one player I have called a 'donkey' is Lukaku. He is an athlete but he has no right to be our striker with his non-existent first touch.
But no one is crap. Our defenders are average.

As I have said, You don't need 3 top midfielders to win the title. Its about playing as a team.

I saw the same team that was playing poorly, being reignited by Ole until they hit the wall.
We would have competed for the title if Ole's methods had been applied from the start.

Now we have to restart.
 
bosnian_red said:
They're 21 and 23 right now. Is it a wonder that they've had inconsistent production until now when they were both young and played in deeper wide roles supporting Lukaku as striker? It's a massively different role to the one they will have now, and I have no doubt that across all competitions, both will push 20 goals. We aren't talking league goals. All competitions. We're essentially just telling them to score at a similar right to what they've done in the past, adjusting for more minutes and more attacking roles in a more attacking team.

I have no problem predicting that we'll reach 100 goals across all competitions. It's not that aggressive a prediction (at all). Provided we go far in the Europa league, that total shouldn't be a big problem to reach.
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When was the last time we scored 100+ goals?
 
charlenefan said:
The 'club' has signed one on the top 3 RB's in the league and one of the best CB's in the league this summer. We've won every game in pre-season with the likes of Greenwood and Gomes looking genuinely class. There's a lot to be positive about if you want to see it
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Those defenders will struggle given the porous midfield ahead of them

Pre season is not a good barometer for the season ahead

The young lads look promising and I hope they get a chance

I just think we had obvious deficiencies in our team when it comes to non defensive positions and have failed pretty miserably to address them
 
charlenefan said:
The 'club' has signed one on the top 3 RB's in the league and one of the best CB's in the league this summer. We've won every game in pre-season with the likes of Greenwood and Gomes looking genuinely class. There's a lot to be positive about if you want to see it
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I agree with all of that but there are still some massive holes in our starting 11 that need addressing and there would have to be a massive upturn in scoring by Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, lingard and ‘the rest of the team’ to hit the numbers in that post ... I hope I’m wrong mind you.
 
Feed Me said:
Those defenders will struggle given the porous midfield ahead of them

Pre season is not a good barometer for the season ahead

The young lads look promising and I hope they get a chance

I just think we had obvious deficiencies in our team when it comes to non defensive positions and have failed pretty miserably to address them
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So actual games (albeit pre-season friendlies) aren't a good barometer but your wild depressing opinions are? You have no idea how the midfield is going to perform, you have no idea how any of the team is going to perform so rather than wait and see like I said you're spouting negativity into every thread you venture into
 
charlenefan said:
So actual games (albeit pre-season friendlies) aren't a good barometer but your wild depressing opinions are? You have no idea how the midfield is going to perform, you have no idea how any of the team is going to perform so rather than wait and see like I said you're spouting negativity into every thread you venture into
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Give over - pre season is never a barometer for how the season will unfold

Pretty much every United fan says the midfield is a major weak area

I'm being a realist which is apparently not allowed in your fantasy la la world
 
Volumiza said:
I agree with all of that but there are still some massive holes in our starting 11 that need addressing and there would have to be a massive upturn in scoring by Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, lingard and ‘the rest of the team’ to hit the numbers in that post ... I hope I’m wrong mind you.
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Oh I agree we're far from the finished outfit but it was always going to take more than this window. I actually do also agree that the 100 goals in all comps is on the optimistic side but alas it's nice to see some postivity
 
Feed Me said:
Give over - pre season is never a barometer for how the season will unfold

Pretty much every United fan says the midfield is a major weak area

I'm being a realist which is apparently not allowed in your fantasy la la world
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I'm not saying midfield isn't a weak area (though using what United fans say is hardly a worthy tool in your argument)

You can say I'm living in a fantasy world but I'd rather that then whatever hole you're in at the moment
 
charlenefan said:
I'm not saying midfield isn't a weak area (though using what United fans say is hardly a worthy tool in your argument)

You can say I'm living in a fantasy world but I'd rather that then whatever hole you're in at the moment
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Not sure why you keep resorting to personal insults
 
RussellWilson said:
I particularly like how the rest of the team gets 40 goals. We will be lucky if one of rest managed 5 goals. Sanchez got 1 league goal last year!
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30-40 across all competitions?
  • Defensive group - 5-10 goals
  • Fred/Pereira - 5 goals
  • McTominay/Matic - 5 goals
  • Chong, Gomes, James and Lingard/Mata/Sanchez - 25-30 goals combined
  • Martial/Rashford/Greenwood - 50-60 goals
That's 90 to 110 goals. Not that big of a stretch if they're all given important enough roles and we have enough games to spread across all comps..
 
charlenefan said:
The 'club' has signed one on the top 3 RB's in the league and one of the best CB's in the league this summer. We've won every game in pre-season with the likes of Greenwood and Gomes looking genuinely class. There's a lot to be positive about if you want to see it
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Unfortunately all that positivity counts for nothing if we line up at home to Chelsea with Matic and Mata.Pressing high with intensity with those two does not bode well.
 
Red Dreams said:
Think the one player I have called a 'donkey' is Lukaku. He is an athlete but he has no right to be our striker with his non-existent first touch.
But no one is crap. Our defenders are average.

As I have said, You don't need 3 top midfielders to win the title. Its about playing as a team.

I saw the same team that was playing poorly, being reignited by Ole until they hit the wall.
We would have competed for the title if Ole's methods had been applied from the start.

Now we have to restart.
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It really could go either way this year.

The winning run looked like it wouldn't end. But after PSG we dropped off an absolute cliff and looked dreadful.
Let's hope it was a mere wall and not a still remaining barrier.
 
Good for the British journos. That's De Ligt and Bruno they poured cold water on from the continent.
 
Shakesey said:
When was the last time we scored 100+ goals?
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We scored 106 I think in Mourinhos first season because we had Europa League. 63 games in all competitions. It really isn't stretching things that much to assume we'll average 1.67 goals per game across all competitions if we play 60 games. That's around 63 goals in the league across 38 games (and the other competitions you would assume we score at a higher rate than in the league because of easier fixtures in the Carabao cup/fa cup/Europa league.
 
bosnian_red said:
They're 21 and 23 right now. Is it a wonder that they've had inconsistent production until now when they were both young and played in deeper wide roles supporting Lukaku as striker? It's a massively different role to the one they will have now, and I have no doubt that across all competitions, both will push 20 goals. We aren't talking league goals. All competitions. We're essentially just telling them to score at a similar right to what they've done in the past, adjusting for more minutes and more attacking roles in a more attacking team.

I have no problem predicting that we'll reach 100 goals across all competitions. It's not that aggressive a prediction (at all). Provided we go far in the Europa league, that total shouldn't be a big problem to reach.
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Never mind the truly preposterous goal inflating going on here...where exactly are the assist coming from, cause Pogba will be minted with 80-90 assist bonuses!
 
bosnian_red said:
30-40 across all competitions?
  • Defensive group - 5-10 goals
  • Fred/Pereira - 5 goals
  • McTominay/Matic - 5 goals
  • Chong, Gomes, James and Lingard/Mata/Sanchez - 25-30 goals combined
  • Martial/Rashford/Greenwood - 50-60 goals
That's 90 to 110 goals. Not that big of a stretch if they're all given important enough roles and we have enough games to spread across all comps..
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It's very optimistic. You're basically asking for the best scoring seasons from each of those players.

Greenwood isn't scoring 20 goals in his first season. Even Leo bloody Messi didn't manage that.

You're in dreamland buddy.
 
charlenefan said:
The 'club' has signed one on the top 3 RB's in the league and one of the best CB's in the league this summer. We've won every game in pre-season with the likes of Greenwood and Gomes looking genuinely class. There's a lot to be positive about if you want to see it
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You're sounding like a Glazer PR man.

The youth should be bedded in and not relied on to transform our attack from the shitshow it was last season. If we don't get signings in reality will bite and you'll soon realise how fecked we are.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Never mind the truly preposterous goal inflating going on here...where exactly are the assist coming from, cause Pogba will be minted with 80-90 assist bonuses!
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You guys are so fecking negative ffs :lol: guess what, we scored 65 goals in the league last year. If we repeat that (not much of a tough ask), that'll be 1.71 goals per game. If we make it far in other competitions, we can play around 60 games in all competitions. 58 games at 1.71 goals per game (our scoring rate last year) is 100 goals in all competitions.
 
fergosaurus said:
You're sounding like a Glazer PR man.

The youth should be bedded in and not relied on to transform our attack from the shitshow it was last season. If we don't get signings in reality will bite and you'll soon realise how fecked we are.
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:lol:

Because I don't subscribe to the worlds about to end motif I'm a Glazer PR man
 
fergosaurus said:
You're sounding like a Glazer PR man.

The youth should be bedded in and not relied on to transform our attack from the shitshow it was last season. If we don't get signings in reality will bite and you'll soon realise how fecked we are.
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I don't think anyone disputes the quality of the defensive signings, but I totally agree with you that the failure to address problem positions higher up on the pitch will ultimately cost us from competing. It's the same thing every season I'm afraid - the issues are obvious but we don't resolve them
 
Irrational. said:
Benfica now 3-0 up courtesy of an exquisite FK.
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Every day I realize how incredible his season was. Imagine playing with these absolute piles of DOG SHITE!!!!

Fecking laughable. The fans get what ted deserve. Embarrassing.
 
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