Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

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No, he was our best midfielder. :nono: so good he ended up in China at 30 years old and heading for early retirement.

Liking and not liking Pogba is fine but calling Fellaini as our first or second best midfielder and Pogba as useless lump is just ridiculous. Not even Fellaini's mother believes that.
 
Fernandes and SMS for Pogba’s money, it could be good for us.

Then sell Lukaku, to get Dybala (who we seem to be interested in).

Get Maguire, and we should be set for the start of the season.
 
Off of what basis is this exactly? Have you seen him play to make such a bold assessment?

Lingard has been a starter and prominent player at United and he isn't fit to lace Brunos cleats.

Ross Barkley starts at Chelsea is he better than bruno?

Like I said 50M for a player of his quality is daylight robbery at its finest.
i haven't watched alot of sporting games to be fair. Mostly the international games. I'm sure you've been watching him far more often, but i'm not sold on him.
And with that i mean i dont see the hype that people in here and on social media give him. I think he's a good player but if you buy a player for 50 or 60 million you except a real baller and people will have unrealistic expectations of him. Take Fred as an exemple. In my opinion he was quite decent last season under Ole consedering his confidence was shot under Mourinho.
But alot of fans think that he's a flop and should not start this season.
 
Fernandes and SMS for Pogba’s money, it could be good for us.

Then sell Lukaku, to get Dybala (who we seem to be interested in).

Get Maguire, and we should be set for the start of the season.
In two weeks lad, be realistic with this board and Ed. That's not happening unfortunately.
 
I hope BF doesn't leave us. We have a really crappy team.
 
Fernandes and SMS for Pogba’s money, it could be good for us.

Then sell Lukaku, to get Dybala (who we seem to be interested in).

Get Maguire, and we should be set for the start of the season.
I would take that besides SMS as I've never seen him play although some rate him highly. Instead of SMS on that list I would put a defensive midfielder to rotate with and eventually replace Matic when his contract expires in the summer. Although I think that would put us in a decent situation as the league starts, I don't think that would happen at all due to the pace we have been working at in the transfer market and also because the club said we are working on one transfer at a time.
 
Maguire alone is not enough, simple as that. Besides we have more than 150m worth of deadwood there to sell (should the management actually want to do some work in this regard).
I would have loved to get rid of all that deadwood and reinvested the money back into transfers but I think we struggle to get rid of the deadwood due to the extremely high wages we pay them, I don't think other teams are going to pay. I think Darmian will go for free when his contract expires next summer and I think the only way we are going to get rid of a lot of deadwood is only when their contracts expire meaning we lose millions in transfer fees but eventually manage to get them off the books.
 
We should be intending to bring in both Fernandes and Milenkovic Savic. We need 2 midfielders and these 2 would compliment what we want.
A box to box midfielder and an Attacking Midfielder.
 
How many goals did Fernandes score last season (not including penalties)?
 
i haven't watched alot of sporting games to be fair. Mostly the international games. I'm sure you've been watching him far more often, but i'm not sold on him.
And with that i mean i dont see the hype that people in here and on social media give him. I think he's a good player but if you buy a player for 50 or 60 million you except a real baller and people will have unrealistic expectations of him. Take Fred as an exemple. In my opinion he was quite decent last season under Ole consedering his confidence was shot under Mourinho.
But alot of fans think that he's a flop and should not start this season.
You are seeing different than everyone else then. Fred's passing is terrible, and it keeps getting us caught out. He is not a good tackler either. A good midfielder needs these attributes first and foremost. I am keeping a close eye on him again this season to see if anything has improved. If not we should sell him off.
 
You are seeing different than everyone else then. Fred's passing is terrible, and it keeps getting us caught out. He is not a good tackler either. A good midfielder needs these attributes first and foremost. I am keeping a close eye on him again this season to see if anything has improved. If not we should sell him off.
I think Fred needs a good season this season, no excuses. He's had his season to settle in, if he doesn't produce the goods this season, I think he should be sold next summer.
 
Agree with this but the rate we are moving at I can't see us getting another midfielder this transfer window which worries me as I feel we may struggle if we don't.
If we don't bring in at least 1 midfielder we will be in trouble when injuries start hitting us. What if both Pogba and McTominay were injured at the same time and were out for 6/7 weeks. Look at who we have left to play in the most important area of the pitch. To me these are the only 2 midfielders that are good enough for United. If Pogba goes then we are in a mess, unless we have someone lined up now.
 
If we don't bring in at least 1 midfielder we will be in trouble when injuries start hitting us. What if both Pogba and McTominay were injured at the same time and were out for 6/7 weeks. Look at who we have left to play in the most important area of the pitch. To me these are the only 2 midfielders that are good enough for United. If Pogba goes then we are in a mess, unless we have someone lined up now.
I agree with your post and I mentioned to some poster yesterday that if Pogba has an injury we are going to be screwed. If what you mentioned in bold happened, that is seriously going to affect our chances of doing well this season. It's as if anyone besides Woody can see the areas that we need improving. I feel that the owners think we have a squad capable of getting into the top 4 as it is, which I think we don't or even worse they may not care about getting into the top 4 as long as the money keeps on rolling in.

If Pogba does go I would like to see the whole transfer fee put back into the squad which I don't think will happen but even if that should happen two weeks is not a lot of time to spend that money wisely considering how slow we have been working in the transfer market so far.
 
The thing is we may be moving slowly on purpose. The club may have an agreement with the player who wants to come and we are negotiating with sporting ,both sides know it will happen but we are talking an asking price vs. What we would like to lowball them, it will probably end up somewhere in the middle. We make enquires with other players making out we are not that interested, sporting link him with someone else and the dance goes on . Maybe this is not the case with Bruno maybe it is (I hope it is) . I would imagine there is alot of these games especially with us as we are the press favourite toy.
 
If we don't bring in at least 1 midfielder we will be in trouble when injuries start hitting us. What if both Pogba and McTominay were injured at the same time and were out for 6/7 weeks. Look at who we have left to play in the most important area of the pitch. To me these are the only 2 midfielders that are good enough for United. If Pogba goes then we are in a mess, unless we have someone lined up now.

Yeah we are in dire need of midfielders. Even if Pogba stays. I am very keen on Garner for us in the future but I reckon it’s to early to count on him fully already.
 
Yeah we are in dire need of midfielders. Even if Pogba stays. I am very keen on Garner for us in the future but I reckon it’s to early to count on him fully already.
Garner is a very good player and I hope he goes on to play for us for years to come, but he is not ready to burden the responsibility of playing DM yet.
 
Fernandes and SMS for Pogba’s money, it could be good for us.

Then sell Lukaku, to get Dybala (who we seem to be interested in).

Get Maguire, and we should be set for the start of the season.


Not a chance will they re-invest that money.

Straight into the trousers.
 
You are seeing different than everyone else then. Fred's passing is terrible, and it keeps getting us caught out. He is not a good tackler either. A good midfielder needs these attributes first and foremost. I am keeping a close eye on him again this season to see if anything has improved. If not we should sell him off.
I agree , he's not good enough even though he does run his legs off.
 
You are seeing different than everyone else then. Fred's passing is terrible, and it keeps getting us caught out. He is not a good tackler either. A good midfielder needs these attributes first and foremost. I am keeping a close eye on him again this season to see if anything has improved. If not we should sell him off.

Tackle is more for the defenders, since they are the last line and they will have to resort more to tackles to cut crosses / shots / make fouls / etc.

A midfielder should only tackle to make a deliberate foul or if he is 99% sure he gets the ball. A tackle means the midfielder will be on the ground and we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit.

IMHO a midfielder defensive duties should be closing down the space and the passing lines. Being a good tackler is a good bonus, but they should not commit to tackling much often, mainly because if he mistimes the tackle it will mean we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing during some seconds, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit. This can be fatal against teams who rely on pressure or are effective on fast transitions.
 
Tackle is more for the defenders, since they are the last line and they will have to resort more to tackles to cut crosses / shots / make fouls / etc.

A midfielder should only tackle to make a deliberate foul or if he is 99% sure he gets the ball. A tackle means the midfielder will be on the ground and we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit.

IMHO a midfielder defensive duties should be closing down the space and the passing lines. Being a good tackler is a good bonus, but they should not commit to tackling much often, mainly because if he mistimes the tackle it will mean we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing during some seconds, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit. This can be fatal against teams who rely on pressure or are effective on fast transitions.

I agree with this to some extent but to say a midfielder shouldn't tackle is absurd. So do you want your midfielders to press and watch the other team have the ball??
 
Tackle is more for the defenders, since they are the last line and they will have to resort more to tackles to cut crosses / shots / make fouls / etc.

A midfielder should only tackle to make a deliberate foul or if he is 99% sure he gets the ball. A tackle means the midfielder will be on the ground and we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit.

IMHO a midfielder defensive duties should be closing down the space and the passing lines. Being a good tackler is a good bonus, but they should not commit to tackling much often, mainly because if he mistimes the tackle it will mean we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing during some seconds, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit. This can be fatal against teams who rely on pressure or are effective on fast transitions.
Utter Rubbish, You would have them playing like 7 year olds.
 
A midfielder should only tackle to make a deliberate foul or if he is 99% sure he gets the ball. A tackle means the midfielder will be on the ground and we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit.

Someone should have told Roy Keane this, he'd have been a much better player!
 
I played midfield myself and every manager of all different age groups will tell you to get stuck in and win the ball back.

One particular manager used to tell me, that the whole midfield circle was mine and to command it.
He described it like King of the Castle. You own this area.
 
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He scored 25 goals, 7 of them are penalties iirc. So 18 goals excluding penalties.

He scored more, you must be talking about the league goals only (whereas what matters are goals in all competitions)
 
I agree with this to some extent but to say a midfielder shouldn't tackle is absurd. So do you want your midfielders to press and watch the other team have the ball??

Not really. I just think think that tackling must be done with a lot of certain, and closing down is certainly not watching. Is closing the opponent's space for movement and passing until you disarm them.
 
Someone should have told Roy Keane this, he'd have been a much better player!

Roy Keane was a very inteligent player and he would tackle exactly by the reasons I pointed: risk a foul but create a tactical advantage from that foul or do it when you know you will not mistime the tackle.
 
Tackle is more for the defenders, since they are the last line and they will have to resort more to tackles to cut crosses / shots / make fouls / etc.

A midfielder should only tackle to make a deliberate foul or if he is 99% sure he gets the ball. A tackle means the midfielder will be on the ground and we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit.

IMHO a midfielder defensive duties should be closing down the space and the passing lines. Being a good tackler is a good bonus, but they should not commit to tackling much often, mainly because if he mistimes the tackle it will mean we will have one less player to contribute to team pressing during some seconds, leaving the opposition with more space to exploit. This can be fatal against teams who rely on pressure or are effective on fast transitions.
You wouldn't necessarily lose the midfielder all the time, as a lot of the time when Radja Nainggolan made tackles, he was getting the ball then immediately starting the attack.
 
You wouldn't necessarily lose the midfielder all the time, as a lot of the time when Radja Nainggolan made tackles, he was getting the ball then immediately starting the attack.

That's why pointed it should be done assertiveness, which Nainggolan does. Closing down + disarming and anticipation should come first. But off course, it's only my opinion and as you can see many disagree.
 
It seems most of the links on these came from the Portuguese side. I can only hope we have another player with a similar skillset lined up, unless we are masters negotiators and will swoop for him late in window haha. We'd pretty much have a free run at him, no-one else is interested. Been a couple of clubs again linked by the Portuguese side of things to possibly force Utd's hand. I think we have other transfers our club have prioritised before this one, hopefully when they are finalised we can wrap this up as well.Certainly need his or a player like him to help us creatively.
 
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