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Can we lose are shit then though or will we still be told by the redcafe high morals bigrade to shut up and get behind the club.

Yeah we can absolutely lose our shit then. If we're not strong enough come the window shutting then we've every right to be pissed off.

Just doesn't serve anyone well to get wound up over anything in the transfer window because none of us have a clue what's going on.
 
All you losers who are butt hurt over us not signing Fernandes need to grow up. The team looks to be heading in the right direction with a new playing style and an emphasis on youth, there's no need to be so negative. We are likely to blow the majority of our budget on Maguire who we need much more than a player like Fernandes. Considering he'd be stepping up from the Portuguese league it's not like we're missing out on a certain superstar.
 
We are likely to blow the majority of our budget on Maguire who we need much more than a player like Fernandes.

Maguire alone is not enough, simple as that. Besides we have more than 150m worth of deadwood there to sell (should the management actually want to do some work in this regard).
 
I think its good that the youngsters are coming through which a massive positive this summer but I think Woody is banking on them all coming good which may or may not happen and I feel it's unfair to put too much pressure on them on their first proper season in the league.

I agree about the players you said to get rid of but we pay stupidly high wages which I think is Woody's only recruitment tactic that other teams won't want to pay the stupid wages we currently pay. Smalling and Jones should never have been given those contract extensions for such lengths in my opinion.

Think we really need to give Gomes a lot of minutes this year as it's his final year and Barca will come circling in the summer. It's ludicrous that we let his contract run into the final year. We should do whatever we can to keep him as I would hate to see him realise his potential somewhere else. :mad:

Totally agree buddy, yeah mega wages for bang average players haha crazy
 
Yeah we can absolutely lose our shit then. If we're not strong enough come the window shutting then we've every right to be pissed off.

Just doesn't serve anyone well to get wound up over anything in the transfer window because none of us have a clue what's going on.

You are more than likely right but it is frustrating. Can't wait for August 8th either way.
 
The manager and/or the board decided not to sign him. That simple.

Whether you think it makes sense or not is irrelevant because you're not in charge.

I think we should sign him but I've actually seen very, very little of him so I'm probably not a reliable scout for whether he'd help the team or not, either way there's absolutely feck all we as fans can do about his signing whether we like it or not. We don't have any sources in the media and even the sources in the media that are supposed to be reliable actually know feck all too so none of us know.

Just feel that transfer window season brings out the absolute worst in everyone and if we removed ourselves from it given we've got no choice in any matter then we'd be better off for it. Just wait until the window shuts and see where we are and then complain if we haven't strengthened where we need to.
If we could see the club doing well in the transfer market it wouldn't cause so many people to get p!ssed off in my opinion.
 
Maguire alone is not enough, simple as that. Besides we have more than 150m worth of deadwood there to sell (should the management actually want to do some work in this regard).

We can't move a lot of our deadwood because they're all overpaid and injury prone (eg. Rojo, Jones and Alexis). We do need more but it seems we're prioritizing a deep lying CM rather than a no. 10, which again is more important right now.
 
We can't move a lot of our deadwood because they're all overpaid and injury prone (eg. Rojo, Jones and Alexis).
Alexis won’t command any fee, but Rojo and Jones definitely can be sold in this market.

When Maguire is at 80m and Mings at 26, definitely we may squeeze some 15m for Rojo and 25 for Jones - that’s 40m already and some 200+k/w off the wage bill
 
Alexis won’t command any fee, but Rojo and Jones definitely can be sold in this market.

When Maguire is at 80m and Mings at 26, definitely we may squeeze some 15m for Rojo and 25 for Jones.

It ain't FIFA or Football Manager mate, even if you were right they aren't gonna get the wages they're currently on at other teams so why would they want to leave for much less money? Not to mention Jones was given a new contract under Ole so he must be seen as a decent back up option.
 
If we could see the club doing well in the transfer market it wouldn't cause so many people to get p!ssed off in my opinion.

But what standards are you judging it off? Realistic or unrealistic? What constitutes 'doing well' to you and what constitutes 'doing well' to Ole? What about the board? Ed? The Glazers? For anyone but you, you don't have a clue and neither do any of us so we're getting wound up constantly wondering what's going on with no possible way of knowing. Seems completely fruitless.

They're in charge whether we like it or not and we can't do anything about it so free yourself of it because it's not your problem. Come the first game of the season then it's our problem.
 
Alexis won’t command any fee, but Rojo and Jones definitely can be sold in this market.

When Maguire is at 80m and Mings at 26, definitely we may squeeze some 15m for Rojo and 25 for Jones - that’s 40m already and some 200+k/w off the wage bill
I would very happy to get that money for Rojo and Jones, as I feel both need to go as both are far to injury-prone.
 
You are more than likely right but it is frustrating. Can't wait for August 8th either way.

Of course it's frustrating and I understand why people get so wound up over the transfer window but it's really, really needless to do so.

I'm not one for optimism (those that know me on this forum know I'm telling the truth there) but just enjoying watching the lads again in pre-season has made me happy for a bit and we've done quite well. Whether I, you, anyone else on this forum or any of our millions of fans think the transfer window is a) making sense or b) going well is irrelevant to the club and our transfer dealings isn't it?
 
Alexis won’t command any fee, but Rojo and Jones definitely can be sold in this market.

When Maguire is at 80m and Mings at 26, definitely we may squeeze some 15m for Rojo and 25 for Jones - that’s 40m already and some 200+k/w off the wage bill

Never in a million years are we getting 25m for Phil Jones.
 
Never in a million years are we getting 25m for Phil Jones.

Why not? The going rate for defenders is currently very high, but given injury record and 120k/w salary we have to sell at cut-price. But even if it's just 20m - still a fee to receive
 
But what standards are you judging it off? Realistic or unrealistic? What constitutes 'doing well' to you and what constitutes 'doing well' to Ole? What about the board? Ed? The Glazers? For anyone but you, you don't have a clue and neither do any of us so we're getting wound up constantly wondering what's going on with no possible way of knowing. Seems completely fruitless.

They're in charge whether we like it or not and we can't do anything about it so free yourself of it because it's not your problem. Come the first game of the season then it's our problem.
What constitutes doing well to me is signing a few more players to kick this rebuild off properly. I can't speak for Ole. For the board I think they are happy to try to compete for top 4 and I fear they think we have enough quality to achieve top 4 as we are, which I think we don't. I agree with your part in bold but it still p!sses me off that we have only made 2 signings. If we don't make anymore signings I think we will struggle and fall further behind the top teams.
 
What constitutes doing well to me is signing a few more players to kick this rebuild off properly. I can't speak for Ole. For the board I think they are happy to try to compete for top 4 and I fear they think we have enough quality to achieve top 4 as we are, which I think we don't. I agree with your part in bold but it still p!sses me off that we have only made 2 signings. If we don't make anymore signings I think we will struggle and fall further behind the top teams.

i agree with you but would add - Not only the top teams since the mid-table teams are constantly buying and getting better too and will give a hard time to everyone.
 
Said it months ago. If he isn't a ball player, I'm not interested and he doesnt look like one.
 
Why not? The going rate for defenders is currently very high, but given injury record and 120k/w salary we have to sell at cut-price. But even if it's just 20m - still a fee to receive
What we should do is also pay a portion of the wages if they are very high. paying 60,000 of Jone's salary would be 3,120,000.00 per year. Not saying we should pay that much but that gives teams the incentive of signing them. We would be clearing players off the books, and yea we would be getting less than the transfer fee but it wold shorten our 133 million salary.
 
I think we are waiting to sell Lukaku before we do anything else. If we manage 75m for him, then 80m on Maguire and 65m on Fernandes is a net spend of 70m. Add in the signings we have already made, we get to 135m. This would probably leave 15m to 45m for a final signing, wide player or Longstaff. Unfortunately, 16 days to go means things are very very tight.
 
We can't move a lot of our deadwood because they're all overpaid and injury prone (eg. Rojo, Jones and Alexis). We do need more but it seems we're prioritizing a deep lying CM rather than a no. 10, which again is more important right now.

I think paying a portion of the wages can get deadwood off the books. It's what MLB teams do.

Alexis won’t command any fee, but Rojo and Jones definitely can be sold in this market.

When Maguire is at 80m and Mings at 26, definitely we may squeeze some 15m for Rojo and 25 for Jones - that’s 40m already and some 200+k/w off the wage bill
I think the philosophy is that the wages are high so we would have to eat a portion of it. It's too risky for a team like West Ham to pay Rojo as much as their top paid defenders when he is less likely to perform cause of his injuries. That's why I think taking a cut of his would be necessary. I think the injuries are a same because I loved his directness as a CB. Very tough guy as well. Was a perfect fit for Mou.



Is Phil Jones actually on 120k per week? I thought it was like 60k?!

I actually can't find the figure. He was on 75,000 per week before the new contract. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-united-f.c/phil-jones-11903/
His new contract isn't listed on there at all, and after a quick perusal I couldn't find it online.

Even better about the size of his contract, although it doesn't seem like he would go anywhere. They trust his ability to read the game and also try his hardest. I'm guessing his renewal was for more money per week, but who knows. I think the club lately has rather renewed people they know and trust rather than looking for different talent to bring more edge. One reason is that there's no transfer fee to worry about, so although the wages get inflated it evens out (my guess would be a Woodward philosophy). The result has been the stagnant feeling in the club.
 
For the love of God just sign this bloke and Maguire and we’d be done! Paying a few extra million pounds wouldn’t hurt us and if they will add to our team this year and get us CL next year it will be worth every penny.

Sick to death of waiting!
 
There is no smoke without fire on this but I think talks have broken down. If we don't sign anybody else alot of fans will explode!
 
I don't think we even hard any concrete interest for him. Otherwise we would have signed him by now. There is nothing stopping and if I am not wrong there has also not been any official bid that we have made for him or atleast no credible source has reported it. I don't think many big clubs are after him and Sporting is trying hard to attract some interest to no avail.
 
Ed is fvckin pathetic. 2 bog standard signings and dithering around on another two we’ll end up not getting. This is mediocrity at its apex.
 
I upgrade this boy to a must buy category. I can see a young Paul Scholes in this boy. The creative and goal dangerous cm and nr.8. The young Scholes engine that was all over the place. Playing beside a top DCM in Ince and Keane. Those who let him be more offensive, more box to box.

Buy him and partner him with a top DCM. McTom might be answer or the upcoming promising dominate Declan Rice.

Its always uncertain with Pogba. But with Fernandes, who is not a mood player. I think will stay longer with United.

He is playing football the way i like it. Quick precise passing football and movement. And if you have good end product and has a high goalscorer rate. You have everything i ask for a box to box nr.8

You are not buying Savic for a nr.8 role. This is the guy you buy for a nr.8. A footie ball players who run alot and have high engine. Savic is too big and heavy as cm. Savic will gas out earlier than Fer as a nr.8.

Savic best position is nr.10. You buy Savic to replace Lukaku. But in a free nr.10. I prefer Federico Chiesa from Fiorentina over Savic. Lesser talent and lesser skillful than Savic. But Chiesa hard work and running legs and acceleration. A better full packet.

And i have said many. As a manager for a big club like United.

Fernandes, Sancho, Chiesa, Martial and Rashford in the same. It will be heavy metal football like Klopp has said sometime. It would be a privilege to get the chance to work with those 5 really fast, skillful, hard work and team player.

United 4411 formation from the 90’s

Sancho 7 - Fernandes 8 - McTom/Rice 6 - Chiesa/Martial/James 11 + Chiesa/Martial 10 + Rashford/Greenwood 9

Buy Fernandes, Sancho and Chiesa. Come and watch. Money back if you are not satisfy with the attacking playing. Of this rock n roll line up of a attacking force. Too fast and skillful for premier league, together...as a unit.
Bring them on. Fernandes, Sancho and Chiesa. Im 100 % sure United will not regret buying those 3 players.
Hard work, high winning mentality, fast, skillful and team players. What more do you ask for?And all of them score really high in all those areas.
Top skills + top mentality. Sum of that are factors that will make you dominate top international football.

The Chiesa boy can play all over the attacking line. If not Sancho as RW this summer. Then buy this summer for RW will be a good move. Because im not sure Greenwood will be the big difference as RW.
Greenwood is a natural goalscorer and a natural nr.9. So same for the dcm. DCM and RW are positions United can improve most. United two weakest positions. So you better solve it before the season start.

But back to Fernandes. He is a must buy, a box to box nr.8/cm


Edit : potential line up with Pogba and Fernandes in the team.

First 4411 formation:

Chiesa - McTom - Pogba - Martial + Fernandes - Rashford

Alternative 433 formation:

Chiesa - Fernandes - McTom - Pogba - Martial/James + Rashford

As a ideal nr.10. You shall have two really quick feets. Like Zidane, Kaka, Draxler, Savic. Fernandes suit the nr.10 role better than Pogba. Fernandes is quicker and turn around quicker, easier on the toes. That will help him to roam all over the final third.
Pogba best position is a lcm in 3 men midfield. Like for Juventus. His second best position is beside a top dcm. That will make him a more box to bix nr.8 in 2 men midfield.

Thats how the kabal goes up. It is where you get the best out of Pogba and Fernandes in the same line up.

And of course. Depend on the level of the opponents, weaker teams. Pogba can play as a nr.10 too. But like i said. Fernandes has really quick feets and movement. He will open up parking bus and tight defend better. All of Fernandes, Sancho and Chiesa are good in small area. Because they are quick and skillful. Key to open up tight defend and parking bus. And its a plus. Because all of them are quick players. They would be really good in counter attack.
And thats are reasons/ factors why they are mine recommendations. They have it both. Both established attack and counterattack.

Sancho is at a top club now. Im sure really soon Fernandes and Chiesa will join top big club too. Top 2/3 in the four biggest league. Theirs level belong to there. Clearly as day. They are shining.
 
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I dont know who he is but i'd take any positive news now

he is a freelance journalist but a big united fan. I’ve followed him for a while and he isn’t a BS merchant or often give out transfer snippets, so hopefully he’s heard something.

This does seem a bit like a negotiation tactic.
 
All you people screaming after Fernandes need to calm down. Some of you think he's better than he is. I would stay away from him to be honest. Especially if Sporting wants 50 or 60 million for him. He's not worth that kind of money and will most certainly be a disappointment if he comes to us or another Premier league team.
 
he is a freelance journalist but a big united fan. I’ve followed him for a while and he isn’t a BS merchant or often give out transfer snippets, so hopefully he’s heard something.

This does seem a bit like a negotiation tactic.

I really hope so. We need a MF like Bruno to remove the load off Pogba.
 
All you people screaming after Fernandes need to calm down. Some of you think he's better than he is. I would stay away from him to be honest. Especially if Sporting wants 50 or 60 million for him. He's not worth that kind of money and will most certainly be a disappointment if he comes to us or another Premier league team.
Off of what basis is this exactly? Have you seen him play to make such a bold assessment?

Lingard has been a starter and prominent player at United and he isn't fit to lace Brunos cleats.

Ross Barkley starts at Chelsea is he better than bruno?

Like I said 50M for a player of his quality is daylight robbery at its finest.
 
Misplaced pas after misplaced pass. Liverpool didn't look like they were playing a much press from that clip so I'm not sure how representative it would be of a PL game.

The itself goal was more down to Mingolet than Fernandes.

I'm still waiting to see something that makes me think he's a top PL player waiting to make his mark on the league. The assist was nice, but that's about it.
:confused: He was undoubtedly the best player on the pitch.
 
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