Bruno Fernandes Out?

Fair, @Rozay. You called this link a while ago in the season:

Still don’t think Bruno is the character to go to Saudi so early, but maybe dreams can be buy.
 
1. Can you really get 80m from Bruno sale?
2. Who are these 2 great young players? Musiala? Wirtz? Pedri? Xavi Simons?
3. How can you convince them that Utd is the best sporting project for their career?

I am curious.

1) my original point was that at 80 million, id take that in a heart beat. for other prices i may not sell.
2) identifying targets isnt my job. but i think with smart people in place, 80 million can go a long way.
3) i dont think we’ll have problems attracting young talent if the ineos project is convincing. that depends on them.
 
Fair, @Rozay. You called this link a while ago in the season:

Still don’t think Bruno is the character to go to Saudi so early, but maybe dreams can be buy.


Tbh I’m more cynical than most when it comes to things like this. I think money is probably the most important factor for most footballers, and I don’t think it would even make Bruno of particularly questionable character if he didn’t turn down say 600k p/w or something. Although I do understand where you’re coming from.

But yes, I did think there could always be a potential Ronaldo angle with Al Nassr, and for a Portuguese player, personal persuasion from CR7 would be a lot to resist.

I also like the sound of ‘willing to pay WHATEVER IT TAKES’ too!
 
He is nearly 30 and his only trophies are domestic cups. I'd be surprised I'd he went to Saudi. For all his faults he seems like somebody who wants to win the big trophies. If the likes of Bayern or Barca come calling I wouldn't begrudge him a move.
 
I don’t even think the Bruno thing is particularly complicated. People make comparisons with Coutinho, but it’s the detail in that deal that is most important. Liverpool didn’t just sell Coutinho because it is apparently good practice to sell your best player when trying to build a team. It obviously isn’t. But you would note that Coutinho wasn’t simply replaced with a younger/cheaper version of himself. Liverpool went to 3 proper midfielders.

I’m not saying a team MUST have 3 midfielders. But I am saying that a team’s structure should be the product of a plan/vision as opposed to ‘these are the strengths of the players we have’. The talk has been about the likes of Ashworth and Wilcox creating a clearly defined way they want United to play. The outcome of that exercise cannot be what works best for Bruno Fernandes. If by coincidence, the vision DOES incorporate Bruno’s profile, then the decision to keep makes itself. If we are going a different way, then it doesn’t matter if a player who doesn’t fit also happens to be our ‘best player’. The decision should be led by our vision, so it is not outrageous at all to me to sell Bruno for big money if we want to play with 3 CMs long term, and it’s more ridiculous to put that on hold until Bruno has nothing left in the tank, especially when we are not even winning anything with Bruno anyway.

People were happy for years to sacrifice a De Gea that made incredible saves for the sole reason that their overall vision for the team included a different profile of goalkeeper. Wan-Bissaka and Maguire have extreme qualities in certain areas, but many want them to be replaced for reasons of profile. ‘Can’t play a high line’. ‘Not good enough in possession’. People need to be less precious regarding Bruno, these things do not mean that he isn’t a good player. It’s a specific assessment of qualities in the context of a team vision. Let’s start with that. If our plan is to sit deep and counter attack with fast forwards, then of course, keep Bruno. He’s the best you can get for that.
 
I don’t even think the Bruno thing is particularly complicated. People make comparisons with Coutinho, but it’s the detail in that deal that is most important. Liverpool didn’t just sell Coutinho because it is apparently good practice to sell your best player when trying to build a team. It obviously isn’t. But you would note that Coutinho wasn’t simply replaced with a younger/cheaper version of himself. Liverpool went to 3 proper midfielders.

I’m not saying a team MUST have 3 midfielders. But I am saying that a team’s structure should be the product of a plan/vision as opposed to ‘these are the strengths of the players we have’. The talk has been about the likes of Ashworth and Wilcox creating a clearly defined way they want United to play. The outcome of that exercise cannot be what works best for Bruno Fernandes. If by coincidence, the vision DOES incorporate Bruno’s profile, then the decision to keep makes itself. If we are going a different way, then it doesn’t matter if a player who doesn’t fit also happens to be our ‘best player’. The decision should be led by our vision, so it is not outrageous at all to me to sell Bruno for big money if we want to play with 3 CMs long term, and it’s more ridiculous to put that on hold until Bruno has nothing left in the tank, especially when we are not even winning anything with Bruno anyway.

People were happy for years to sacrifice a De Gea that made incredible saves for the sole reason that their overall vision for the team included a different profile of goalkeeper. Wan-Bissaka and Maguire have extreme qualities in certain areas, but many want them to be replaced for reasons of profile. ‘Can’t play a high line’. ‘Not good enough in possession’. People need to be less precious regarding Bruno, these things do not mean that he isn’t a good player. It’s a specific assessment of qualities in the context of a team vision. Let’s start with that. If our plan is to sit deep and counter attack with fast forwards, then of course, keep Bruno. He’s the best you can get for that.
If I could give this post a like I would do.
 
He is nearly 30 and his only trophies are domestic cups. I'd be surprised I'd he went to Saudi. For all his faults he seems like somebody who wants to win the big trophies. If the likes of Bayern or Barca come calling I wouldn't begrudge him a move.
Agreed. This has Barca written all over it for me. Seems to be exactly the kind of transfer they d like and...unlike us, players on the "wrong" side of 30 seem to generally hold up better in La Liga.
 
He's easily worth 100m. I love when people severely under value our players :lol:

I love when people throw out £100m like it's just a regular thing clubs do. How many players do you think have ever moved for £100m or more? 9, ever. Unless you're talking about Euros, in that case it's 14.
 
I love when people throw out £100m like it's just a regular thing clubs do. How many players do you think have ever moved for £100m or more? 9, ever. Unless you're talking about Euros, in that case it's 14.
i mean you do have to keep in mind inflation as well. Obviously nobody was going for 100 million 20 years ago.
 
I love when people throw out £100m like it's just a regular thing clubs do. How many players do you think have ever moved for £100m or more? 9, ever. Unless you're talking about Euros, in that case it's 14.


You got to take inflation into account.
 
i mean you do have to keep in mind inflation as well. Obviously nobody was going for 100 million 20 years ago.
You got to take inflation into account.

Yeah, but still, 100m is always thrown around like it happens everyday when it clearly doesn't. Bruno, at nearly 30, isn't someone we would be getting 100m for, it just isn't realistic. I'm guessing if, and it's a big if, we do sell him, it'll be for somewhere between 60m to 70m max (pounds).
 
Yeah, but still, 100m is always thrown around like it happens everyday when it clearly doesn't. Bruno, at nearly 30, isn't someone we would be getting 100m for, it just isn't realistic. I'm guessing if, and it's a big if, we do sell him, it'll be for somewhere between 60m to 70m max (pounds).

It obviously depends on who we are selling him to. Do you think that if Ronaldo went to Bayern Munich he would be paid a salary of 250m or whatever?
 
A good player who always tries.
However, he has many flaws to his games, and in his playing character. He is not a world class player, and I wished we had another 2-3 leaders in our squad who could guide him.

We should be open to sell him. Ideally though, we should keep him one more year (it's not like we will aim for anything next year).
 
It obviously depends on who we are selling him to. Do you think that if Ronaldo went to Bayern Munich he would be paid a salary of 250m or whatever?

Who, outside of Saudi clubs, is paying 100m for a near 30 year old Bruno?
 
Who, outside of Saudi clubs, is paying 100m for a near 30 year old Bruno?

What is the point in asking ‘who outside of the clubs that would pay 100m for Bruno, will pay 100m for Bruno’? If you’re going to exclude the clubs who have been strongly linked with him who we know can and will pay big money, then yea - nobody.
 
What is the point in asking ‘who outside of the clubs that would pay 100m for Bruno, will pay 100m for Bruno’? If you’re going to exclude the clubs who have been strongly linked with him who we know can and will pay big money, then yea - nobody.
If the rumor the reason Bruno wants to leave is true, why would he go to Saudi? It just doesn't add up. He won't have many option though. May be Inter or Bayern.
 
Just look at Bruno how people think he shouldn't be here next season is beyond me.

In an ideal world yes his age means last chance for a big fee but we can't let him go.
 
What is the point in asking ‘who outside of the clubs that would pay 100m for Bruno, will pay 100m for Bruno’? If you’re going to exclude the clubs who have been strongly linked with him who we know can and will pay big money, then yea - nobody.

Who's been linked; Bayern and Barca?
 
Same. Always runs like a madman, always tries to make something happen. Deserves so much more than what his United stint has given him in terms of trophies.

Agreed and he deserves more respect and support from the knobs who get wayyy too upset at him “being whiny”. Give me 11 “whiny” players with his work rate, consistency, attacking output and fitness.
 
Agreed and he deserves more respect and support from the knobs who get wayyy too upset at him “being whiny”. Give me 11 “whiny” players with his work rate, consistency, attacking output and fitness.

Yeah, even if I get annoyed at his stroppiness at times :lol:

Can’t question his commitment, that’s for sure.
 
It doesn't make much sense to sell him IMO.

We have promising young talent in Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund and Amad who could become key players in the next few years. We need some experienced players to supplement them. None of our other players fit the bill. Rashford, Antony, Eriksen, Mount, McTominay, Martial would be higher priorities to move on (and I'd keep a couple of them, too).
 
Anyone wanting him gone needs to give there head a wobble, one of our best players, without him we’d be bottom half of the league. Really hope he doesn’t leave and we get better players to play around him