Bruno Fernandes Out?

[Van Piorsing]

They don’t have to be really good, but they have to fit a style of play.

Bruno for all his chances created etc is only good on counter attack football and is often quite terrible when trying to play actual football.

Replacement actually has to be good, mate. Preferably exceptional under pressure, and ready to make series of good decisions in space of little time. Not gonna mention end product.

Not that easy to find it imo, especially when you go against most difficult league's demands... but I'm still impressed, that we are ready to go, one step forward, than just selling the dross.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

He won’t go to Saudi. Pointless even discussing it.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Indeed hes the best player in the world, irreplaceable, we have been so great since we signed him and we're currently so much higher than mid table right now

Didn't know football was a one man game.

 

[Shane88]

He'd be fairly pathetic to run off to Saudi. If he was going to leave, he would have a handful of Champion's League/trophy contending teams interested in him.

Taking the big money bag from Saudi would expose that ultra competitive, hungry for trophies reputation he has cultivated.

 

[FrankDrebin]

There's nothing wrong with choosing money.

 

[Cassidy]

Didn't know football was a one man game.

Indeed maybe selling him and building a really good team with the proceeds isn't such a bad idea.... oh

 

[Van Piorsing]

Indeed hes the best player in the world, irreplaceable, we have been so great since we signed him and we're currently so much higher than mid table right now

I see your belief in our transfer record is quite high, after signing pletora of dead career footballers.

 

[joedirt87]

Offer them Sancho, Rashford, and Casemiro too as a nice big attraction package.

 

[gajender]

He'd be fairly pathetic to run off to Saudi. If he was going to leave, he would have a handful of Champion's League/trophy contending teams interested in him.

Taking the big money bag from Saudi would expose that ultra competitive, hungry for trophies reputation he has cultivated.

Actually there won't be any he isn't good enough .

 

[Cassidy]

I see your belief in our transfer record is quite high, after signing pletora of dead career footballers.

We signed Fernandes, we also have brought in new people to handle transfers, but I guess instead of trying to build a new team, we should instead just keep the players we have that have been constantly failiing, well because, we are shit at transfers after all...

 

[Red Royal]

IF he goes, we'd have Mount (when fit) and Amad who could play there (assuming same system is used). So any funds could go towards a striker, CB, LB. As much as I rate him, wouldn't be the worst thing if it is a big money sale.

 

[FrankDrebin]

He's clearly good enough to make it into a CL club but whether he'd be a constant first teamer is another thing.

 

[Van Piorsing]

We signed Fernandes, we also have brought in new people to handle transfers, but I guess instead of trying to build a new team, we should instead just keep the players we have that have been constantly failiing, well because, we are shit at transfers after all...

We are shit at transfers, and it's not 100% sure we'll sign the right replacement in the first season of Ineos. You're making it sound like it's easy, when it's not.

When we indentify good replacement with full clarity, he's going here, then I guess there will be grounds to make that decision about Fernandes, who's by the way still reliable goal outlet in this current slop of a team.

 

[Insanity]

IF he goes, we'd have Mount (when fit) and Amad who could play there (assuming same system is used). So any funds could go towards a striker, CB, LB. As much as I rate him, wouldn't be the worst thing if it is a big money sale.

I think Mainoo is an option too. Also, Olise if we sign him. There are many ways to skin a cat, we don't necessarily have to get a like for like replacement. I rather we strengthen our midfield and defense from the money generated from his sale.

 

[Cassidy]

We are shit at transfers, and it's not 100% sure we'll sign the right replacement in the first season of Ineos. You're making it sound like it's easy, when it's not.

When we indentify good replacement with full clarity, he's going here, then I guess there will be grounds to make that decision about Fernandes, who's by the way still reliable goal outlet in this current slop of a team.

I'm making it sound like we shouldn't give a player who is 29 and massive new contract just because we are shit at transfers.... move him on if thats what he wants and we can improve the squad with the proceeds.
I'm also making it sound like we should be looking to improve on transfers with a new transfer team

 

[Van Piorsing]

I'm making it sound like we shouldn't give a player who is 29 and massive new contract just because we are shit at transfers....

Contract negotiations are not if favour of United anyway, after possible conference league appearance. Money shouldn't be that of a problem, especially with Sir Jim being here now.

However links to Adarabioyo so far doesn't give me too much confidence in building a great new team, just yet.

 

[Cassidy]

Contract negotiations are not if favour of United anyway, after possible conference league appearance. Money shouldn't be that of a problem, especially with Sir Jim being here now.

However links to Adarabioyo so far doesn't give me too much confidence in building a great new team, just yet.

He shouldn't get a new contract period, its not about money and he will need to be replaced pretty soon. He already got a new 5+1 year deal 2 years ago

 

[Kirk lazarus]

I think at his and our stage , the smart move would be to say thank you and goodbye .

I don't like the timing of it , it seems he is asking on the back of a purple patch at the back end of a poor season.

 

[bosskeano]

£100 million you have to take the deal...you'd be foolish not to do so given his age and that 100m could bring in two younger players that you need for a bit of depth and quality

 

[Van Piorsing]

He shouldn't get a new contract period, its not about money and he will need to be replaced pretty soon. He already got a new 5+1 year deal 2 years ago

Sure thing, he doesn't get new contract, perhaps good offer comes in, we sell, and we still didn't even replaced Martial which should be done years ago. Greenwood goes and his replacement (Antony) is not doing that good.

Hell of a window upcoming, gotta say. Bruno can go, but it will look a bit awkward if he goes and the likes of Maguire and Lindelof stay.

It's actually still more exciting, that kind of adventurous attitude, because the team we all agree is shit, anyway. Active window is a must, period.

 

[Remember the geese]

Shut up or feck off. I don't mind which. No new contract though. That's for certain.

 

[Cassidy]

Sure thing, he doesn't get new contract, perhaps good offer comes in, we sell, and we still didn't even replaced Martial which should be done years ago. Greenwood goes and his replacement (Antony) is not doing that good.

Hell of a window upcoming, gotta say. Bruno can go, but it will look a bit awkward if he goes and the likes of Maguire and Lindelof stay.

It's actually still more exciting, that kind of adventurous attitude, because the team we all agree is shit, anyway. Active window is a must, period.

Martial is still at the club, also one of the reasons we have struggled to replace certain players is that we have struggled to generate funds from transfers...

On the likes of Maguire and Lindelof I have no idea what that has to do with anything they should be sold this summer both have a year left on their contracts if I am not mistaken

 

[Red in STL]

Sure thing, but the replacement better be really feckin good, or we're heading into mid table fast.

Heading to - we are basically mid-table now

 

[Van Piorsing]

Martial is still at the club, also one of the reasons we have struggled to replace certain players is that we have struggled to generate funds from transfers...

On the likes of Maguire and Lindelof I have no idea what that has to do with anything they should be sold this summer both have a year left on their contracts if I am not mistaken

Varane is gone, Evans is 36 and came from relegated Leicester, so can't demand regular high quality football from him. Maguire & Linde like you said, should be gone this summer, that leaving us with Licha and Kambwala plus Adarabioyo if the deal is real to begin with. You can throw Shaw and Casemiro at CB, but that's just begging another question what exactly is this defense about, in terms of building something new.

This window simply can be not enough to fix everything, don't even get me start on midfield since Ten Hag is addicted to his favourite Dutch midfielder, which he might chase over next 3 years. Finding proper replacement for Fernandes won't be a walk in the park, and chance is we'll be forced to use Mount, because there is lot more to do than just replacing Bruno.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Heading to - we are basically mid-table now

Not yet. Pending, but not just yet.

 

[Florida Man]

Really depends on what style of football INEOS want to implement and what sort of contract Bruno is aiming for. If we want to build up the vertical game and Bruno is happy with a reasonable extension without pay increases, then I don’t see why we can’t make it work. Otherwise we need to cash in and develop a different way.

 

[Cassidy]

Varane is gone, Evans is 36 and came from relegated Leicester, so can't demand regular high quality football from him. Maguire & Linde like you said, should be gone this summer, that leaving us with Licha and Kambwala plus Adarabioyo if the deal is real to begin with. You can throw Shaw and Casemiro at CB, but that's just begging another question what exactly is this defense about, in terms of building something new.

This window simply can be not enough to fix everything, don't even get me start on midfield since Ten Hag is addicted to his favourite Dutch midfielder, which he might chase over next 3 years. Finding proper replacement for Fernandes won't be a walk in the park, and chance is we'll be forced to use Mount, because there is lot more to do than just replacing Bruno.

We are reportedly looking to sign 2 CBs and I'm sure I've seen reported multiple times Adarabioyo will sign for Newcastle.
And I'll say it again Fernandes is not an irreplaceable player especially if we manage to improve other areas of the side, we don't need to sell him but if its a choice between giving him a new deal and selling him then we should should absolutely sell him, its the better option for the squad long term. Its not like we'll be aiming to win the league next season

 

[Van Piorsing]

We are reportedly looking to sign 2 CBs and I'm sure I've seen reported multiple times Adarabioyo will sign for Newcastle

In scenario where Linde and Maguire leaving, signing two CB's is very likely. Can't say if Evans will stay here for another season, so we could be looking at two players added in every formation including midfield and attack, that's 6, possibly 7 if the news about left/right back are spot on.

Perhaps Euro 2024 will give new structure some time to prepare, but that's wishful thinking, and don't think Liverpool and Arsenal will just rest on laurels during the window and make it all easy for United, in terms of a rebuild.

 

[Cassidy]

In scenario where Linde and Maguire leaving, signing two CB's is very likely. Can't say if Evans will stay here for another season, so we could be looking at two players added in every formation including midfield and attack, that's 6, possibly 7 if the news about left/right back are spot on.

Perhaps Euro 2024 will give new structure some time to prepare, but that's wishful thinking, and don't think Liverpool and Arsenal will just rest on laurels during the window and make it all easy for United, in terms of a rebuild.

None of what you said in this post justifies handing Fernandes a new contact

 

[Van Piorsing]

None of what you said in this post justifies handing Fernandes a new contact

Not handing him contract sends logical message to his agent and him, that he's no longer taken into account. He most likely leaves, which forces the club to sign about 7 players. Easy task.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Not handing him contract sends logical message to his agent and him, that he's no longer taken into account. He most likely leaves, which forces the club to sign about 7 players. Easy task.

Explain this maths?

 

[Cassidy]

Not handing him contract sends logical message to his agent and him, that he's no longer taken into account. He most likely leaves, which forces the club to sign about 7 players. Easy task.

Not easy but a lot better than giving him a new deal, and if selling him means we have to sign 1 more player than we intended to this summer so what

 

[Van Piorsing]

Explain this maths?

2 CB's, 2 midfielders, including Bruno replacement, 2 attackers including additional striker, plus possible replacement for Sancho & Antony.

Then you got news about search for a right/left back. Could be up to 7 players and majority of them must be a hit.

 

[Rozay]

Almost two pages and nobody has even questioned the ridiculousness of the source?!

 

[Van Piorsing]

Not easy but a lot better than giving him a new deal, and if selling him means we have to sign 1 more player than we intended to this summer so what

Yes absolutely, it's better to do that in one open heart surgery, but then you have to account risks for it, like lack of time and actual available options to complete the whole operation.

Definitely better than another year of same underperforming players. Erik is here two seasons already, so it's probably enough to make final assessment about majority of players.

 

[tomaldinho1]

2 CB's, 2 midfielders, including Bruno, 2 attackers including additional striker, plus possible replacement for Sancho & Antony.

Then you got news about search for a right/left back. Could be up to 7 players and majority of them must be a hit.

Oh ok, as in +1 player. I thought it was caf hyperbole about how we would need 7 players to make up for his loss

Easy to do, get Veiga from Saudi. Foolish move for him to go, clearly listened to his agent too much, but is class, would work alongside Mainoo well in my opinion and with all the news of unhappy players, we should snap him up. Send them Case and some dosh.

The incoming players are the easy part to be honest, the outgoing is where we've had issues historically.

 

[Cassidy]

Yes absolutely, it's better to do that in one open heart surgery, but then you have to account risks for it, like lack of time and actual available options to complete the whole operation.

Definitely better than another year of same underperforming players. Erik is here two seasons already, so it's probably enough to make final assessment about majority of players.

Do you realise that selling Fernandes means adding 1 additional player to the shipping list this summer, right? So we already have open heart surgery to do, which is probably made easier if someone can give us 100m for a player.

But no instead, we should cave to his wage demands and give him a new deal. Then when he inevitably declines in a couple of seasons we cannot sell him because his wages are too high and be stuck in the stupid cycle we are already stuck in

One would think you were talking about prime Ronaldo the way you are instistant of his importance.

 

[Van Piorsing]

You do realise that selling Fernandes means adding 1 additional player to the shipping list this summer right? So we already have open heart surgery to do which is probably made easier if someone can give us 100m for a player

The past say nobody ever wants to give us even 50m for a player, but I guess that's why mr. Berrada and gang are appointed.

I'm all for it, if we'll act quickly enough... and that Adarabioyo lad, perhaps it is a smartest thing we can do, at this present time, just between the change of key personnel.

 

[Cassidy]

The past say nobody ever wants to give us even 50m for a player, but I guess that's why mr. Berrada and gang are appointed.

I'm all for it, if we'll act quickly enough... and that Adarabioyo lad, perhaps it is a smartest thing we can do, at this present time, just between the change of key personnel.

Well we're not going to sell Fernandes for peanuts... one fo the reason we don't get good money for players is because we never sell them when they are in good shape, always when they have massively declined.
The one we did well on was Lukaku because we acted quickly while he still had good stock.

Who is going to give you 50m for your washed up deadwood that are on massive wages?

 

[Van Piorsing]

Well we're not going to sell Fernandes for peanuts...

Then there's slight possibility he might stay, which is not that that tragic, since I can't even tell if Mount will be fully ready for new season.

I guess he could be, at some point. Perhaps a lot depends if Mount is ready to finally step up, then it's all clarified that Bruno could be given green light to go.