Just doing a Wazza
Bruno Fernandes Out?
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Just doing a Wazza
If he left I wouldn't blame him.
Think he needs to go. He's become a symbol or token of our failed era. Victim of circumstances.
But surely he is one of the few proven quality players we have? We would be looking so thin if he goes.
Anything similar to the Varane/Casemiro fee Utd paid to Real Madrid would be fair in my opinion.
I like Bruno as a player but I'd be fine if he leaves. He always puts in a lot of work and his goals/assists record is fantastic but I feel like his style of play is too chaotic and means we lose the ball a lot.
This season his general level of play has been poor in a lot of games. For the team if we can replace him with someone who is better at retaining possession I think we will improve.
That being said Bruno isn't the major issue and we need to revamp our defence, midfield and attack so if Bruno fits in with the plans for the future be wouldn't be my first choice to get sold. There are tons of players we need to shift before him.
This season his general level of play has been poor in a lot of games. For the team if we can replace him with someone who is better at retaining possession I think we will improve.
That being said Bruno isn't the major issue and we need to revamp our defence, midfield and attack so if Bruno fits in with the plans for the future be wouldn't be my first choice to get sold. There are tons of players we need to shift before him.
If it means £100m to invest in CB and CM then I’d make that sacrifice.
Yet doesn’t encourage it for his national team.
Probably the most underrated player I can remember in all my time watching this club, and by some distance. Unbelievable looking at this thread how many can’t wait to see the back of our best player due to some nonsensical idea that he can’t play possession
Excellent post. It’s mind boggling to me how underrated he is. The minute he was sold, he’d go on and be the star man at another club and the Bruno out brigade would move onto a new scapegoat.
We want to pair a 19 y.o. Neves with a 19 y.o. Mainoo in midfield, and expect them to play 50 games a season, and dominate Premier League midfield battle.
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Bruno probably could play possession football but he doesn’t- even when we are trying to hold on to a lead. He can be very creative but he gives away a lot of balls with pass attempts that have a low chance of working.
Maybe in a better coached side he would look different- look how simple the Haaland goal was last night and commentators saying how many times they had seen the same move and pass from DeBruyne. It needed skill, was simple and effective and I could easily imagine Bruno doing the same thing if he had been at City.
But he’s not and his talent is wasted, worse it’s out of step with the team and is like having one rower in a team boat paddle faster than the others. The whole team would be better if he slowed to their pace but at his stage in his career and our stage in the rebuild this is pointless all round.
The right answer is to let him go to Germany, France or Italy etc. have a chance at winning something playing to his strengths and for us to get ourselves settled into a rebuild with money that won’t be available again.
I’m in the sell 10+ players, change the manager for anyone except Southgate and just start playing to a system that can work week in week out. I don’t expect much in the line of trophies next year.
Only caveat is I would love to have the new manager in asap and if they had a plan and style of play that would make Bruno or similar important then we should keep, but only if he fits the new managers long term game plan not the other way round. If the new manager is not here or Ten Hag still is then take the money but don’t let Ten Hag spend it.
Maybe in a better coached side he would look different- look how simple the Haaland goal was last night and commentators saying how many times they had seen the same move and pass from DeBruyne. It needed skill, was simple and effective and I could easily imagine Bruno doing the same thing if he had been at City.
But he’s not and his talent is wasted, worse it’s out of step with the team and is like having one rower in a team boat paddle faster than the others. The whole team would be better if he slowed to their pace but at his stage in his career and our stage in the rebuild this is pointless all round.
The right answer is to let him go to Germany, France or Italy etc. have a chance at winning something playing to his strengths and for us to get ourselves settled into a rebuild with money that won’t be available again.
I’m in the sell 10+ players, change the manager for anyone except Southgate and just start playing to a system that can work week in week out. I don’t expect much in the line of trophies next year.
Only caveat is I would love to have the new manager in asap and if they had a plan and style of play that would make Bruno or similar important then we should keep, but only if he fits the new managers long term game plan not the other way round. If the new manager is not here or Ten Hag still is then take the money but don’t let Ten Hag spend it.
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I can see Bayern wants Bruno to replace Muller. Bruno behind Kane with Musiala and Sane on the wing will be up there one of the best front four next season.
As someone who appreciate Bruno, he deserves to win major trophy.
If we end up selling Bruno, the aim is to use the money to rebuild the midfield and build it around Mainoo. Or sign Neves and build the midfield around Mainoo and Joao Neves.
Mainoo - DM - Neves. Then sign wingers who is creative, can create chances and make assists.
As someone who appreciate Bruno, he deserves to win major trophy.
If we end up selling Bruno, the aim is to use the money to rebuild the midfield and build it around Mainoo. Or sign Neves and build the midfield around Mainoo and Joao Neves.
Mainoo - DM - Neves. Then sign wingers who is creative, can create chances and make assists.
We’ll balance is key. Having Rashford and Garnacho deployed as shoot first create later is fine if your other winger is creative focused and your midfielders like to recycle possession. ATM we everyone but Bruno first thought isn’t to bring others in (Antony just doesn’t count).
However to be fair he is very adaptable and if we had a striker who can lead the line appropriately and bring players in, whilst having an Olise. The left side of the attack would flourish and Bruno would flourish with G/A.
I think his leaving will be heavily linked with the manager.
So when Rooney did this he got slaughtered by the fans. Times have changed.
As in if ten Hag's replacement wants to work with him?
Do you still think INEOS will part ways with him?
I never understand these stories. If Bruno/his agent go speak to Ineos they aren't exactly going to tell him they aren't ambitious.
For all we know, they plan to become a selling club who fight for top four - that's likely the best business model out there - but they won't be telling players that.
For all we know, they plan to become a selling club who fight for top four - that's likely the best business model out there - but they won't be telling players that.
Well, Rooney asked to leave and wanted to go to City (which he denied 10 years later and said he wanted Barca but that City link was heavily reported at the time and they were interested)... That's a bit different than asking the club if they have ambitions that mirror his.
In all honesty, can anybody blame him for asking that question? If he wanted out, I would completely understand actually.
We’re a lot worse now than we were then. Besides, I’ve never had a problem with a top player wanting to move on if the club isn’t meeting their ambitions. Why should he waste his career here, floundering in mid table and nowhere near challenging for titles? If we were this bad when Rooney was here he’d have left. I don’t understand why players are expected to be like fans and stick it out through thick and thin. Most footballers get 10-15 years to achieve things in their playing career, it goes by fast. As for Rooney, he’s still a United legend and is loved by the fans.
I don't think it depends on what the new manager wants I think it depends on what INEOS want and also what Fernandez wants if it was down to them I think he would stay regardless of who the manager is but I think Fernandez would likely leave if the current manager stays.
You're starting to doubt that ten Hag will be sacked?
Even though he has two years on his contract, I see this as a negotiating tactic for a new deal and I think people are missing that.
We already know the non CL clause means everyone gets a drop in wages and what better way to prevent that than signing a new deal. He knows his bargaining position will never be stronger and this is honestly the perfect age to sign one last fat Rooney/DDG type of contract.
If the Glazers were in control of this they’d bow down immediately but hopefully INEOS are smarter and cash in on him now while his value is probably as good as it will ever get.
We already know the non CL clause means everyone gets a drop in wages and what better way to prevent that than signing a new deal. He knows his bargaining position will never be stronger and this is honestly the perfect age to sign one last fat Rooney/DDG type of contract.
If the Glazers were in control of this they’d bow down immediately but hopefully INEOS are smarter and cash in on him now while his value is probably as good as it will ever get.
He turns 30 in September, so this will likely be the last big contract of his career for a European team.
United would be foolish to give him a 5 year deal. Probably a 1 year extension with a higher salary.
Of course they have. Then we could pretend that City wasn't looking like they were about to leave us in the dust.
Now they've done it, the regression is extensive, protracted, and clear for all to see. Everyone recognises that we're not a team that can currently offer titles to top players.
Rooney did it when we were winning regularly and Sir Alex was still the manager, just imagine him playing now.. He would have gone few seasons ago
I dont doubt it, but I would say there is a remote chance he stays, I was TOLD it was all agreed and they have decided to move him on, thing is, its such a small circle and my mate is a bit of a wind up.
So when hes telling me these things he does it in a jokey way but hes very firm with it.
On Sat it was the first time i outright just asked him and he said "its impossible to look at the current situation and think he can stay" I pushed a bit more and asked if hes sure and he said "Im about their team alot and you hear things" so I dont doubt its happening but you never really know do you.
You only have to look in the performances thread. People were arguing that we played better when he was out. Well he's missed like 2 games now and we look abysmal. He's a regular contributor to goals and assists in the toughest league, surrounding by players whose legs have gone, are mentally wibble, or are just starting out in their career. There's no other senior player in our squad that has EVER shown anywhere near what Bruno Fernandes does, with the possible - and intermittent - argument for Rashford (and in my controversial opinion, Maguire). We're relegation level without him.
He wouldn't be top of the list of my players to move towards the exit, but if a big money offer comes in then I think it needs to be considered as I don't think we have too many players who can command a fee that can help trigger a team/squad overhaul.
I love Bruno but it is pretty obvious that his body is giving out at a very rapid rate. Now is the best time to sell him.
Should have cashed in last year,too inconsistent.Clean sweep incoming hopefully.
Is it? I don't think there's any suggestion of that.
He's been injured recently for the first time in his club career. It's obvious his body is falling apart.
You are.
Straight to the glue factory for him, the only humane thing to do.
If we can get 80 million for him, that's a no brainer imo.
Who are you going to bring with 80 million to have a similar impact?
Two in their early 20’s. Bruno’s impact has dropped and will keep dropping, a bit like Casemeiro when we bought him. If we sell now we can rebuild, and even if he’s good, its not like Bruno has been raking in the trophies.
1. Can you really get 80m from Bruno sale?
2. Who are these 2 great young players? Musiala? Wirtz? Pedri? Xavi Simons?
3. How can you convince them that Utd is the best sporting project for their career?
I am curious.
Liverpool have scored plenty of goals without a #10, Newcastle don’t have a #10 and seem to score 5 goals a week, City have their entire team bar Ederson in their opponent’s half so what is maybe a double 8 is sort of a double 10 there I guess. Butit isn’t mandatory, and I’ve seen years of poor possession and end to end games from us. Not just against the good teams, but against everyone. And when I say everyone, not even just in the PL. Any football team at any level, whether Championship, League One or League Two in the cups too.
For me, we would do well to change our approach as a team. Play higher, play more compact, recycle the ball better and add about 10% possession to our average at least. Chances will inevitably come when you are passing and moving at speed with several players in the opponent’s half/final third. We need to construct a team that gets more creation from wide and from full-back. Olise, for example, is an extremely productive winger, both in terms of goals and creativity, and can offer that without having to form part of the middle three. We can leave the middle three to dominate the ball. The better we can keep it and move it, the more we can keep coming back again and again with attacks. Our output and creativity absolutely doesn’t have to suffer without Bruno. Having a poorly set up team and y a player in there with the job to ‘create the chances’ is a recipe to nowhere anyway, as that player will almost certainly NEVER be able to create enough to justify a team being set up to have one player create the chances and win silverware. Even if they were really creative. They won’t create the 100 goals a season a winning team needs.
Get Olise in on the right, push the team up, maybe get Frimpong behind him, and have less creativity coming from your most forward 8 but a lot more control to ensure that the traffic keeps going one way and the team will be better for it.
For me, we would do well to change our approach as a team. Play higher, play more compact, recycle the ball better and add about 10% possession to our average at least. Chances will inevitably come when you are passing and moving at speed with several players in the opponent’s half/final third. We need to construct a team that gets more creation from wide and from full-back. Olise, for example, is an extremely productive winger, both in terms of goals and creativity, and can offer that without having to form part of the middle three. We can leave the middle three to dominate the ball. The better we can keep it and move it, the more we can keep coming back again and again with attacks. Our output and creativity absolutely doesn’t have to suffer without Bruno. Having a poorly set up team and y a player in there with the job to ‘create the chances’ is a recipe to nowhere anyway, as that player will almost certainly NEVER be able to create enough to justify a team being set up to have one player create the chances and win silverware. Even if they were really creative. They won’t create the 100 goals a season a winning team needs.
Get Olise in on the right, push the team up, maybe get Frimpong behind him, and have less creativity coming from your most forward 8 but a lot more control to ensure that the traffic keeps going one way and the team will be better for it.