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Doesn't work hard though they tell me. Just throws his arms up.
Such a talented player on the ball but off the ball he's nowhere near good enough -- Stephen Warnock



Such a talented player on the ball but off the ball he's nowhere near good enough -- Stephen Warnock
Doesn't work hard though they tell me. Just throws his arms up.
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I'm genuinely not sure what you mean here. You agree that the pass to Hojlund was intentional but then say it's an unintentional assist. How does that work?You say you don’t want to be pedantic and then produce the most pedantic point I’ve seen on here. I agree it would be grammatically better to specify neither was great and one assist wasn’t intentional but then, there’s a large chunk of common sense missing if we can’t work out the meaning (which makes me think ironically you did mean to be pedantic) given there’s only one assist that could possibly have been unintentional. I think that fair to say? It’s a bit mad to not think the pass to Hojlund was not simply a pass to Hojlund?
Re the stats, that’s about as meaningless as you can get without context/comparison. I’m not even arguing for it, but Ugarte played well and in a completely different role - hence why it’s fine for someone to think he got motm.
He does it all,
Or Keane:
"It looks like he's working hard, but he's really just pretending to close people down"![]()
Bruno Fernandes is stood in the centre circle with his arms raised asking: ‘Why is it me not coming off?' -- Gary Neville
Please answer honestly, did you watch the game?I'm genuinely not sure what you mean here. You agree that the pass to Hojlund was intentional but then say it's an unintentional assist. How does that work?
Re the stats, how are they meaningless? I'm trying to figure out how anyone could possibly have ugarte as MoTM so stats like that are very relevant,surely, as they speak closely to the sort of game each had.
Speaking of that... I've noticed in recent weeks/months that Bruno catches the opponent on the half-turn more often. He even occasionally dribbles!
Dribbling is obviously still a weakness of his, but the mere fact that he has it in his toolbox makes him much harder to defend against.
Personally, in this system I prefer him in the CM role, he has shown he can adapt to it and still have the goal threat.
Yes, I did. Love the reverting to 'did you even watch the game?'. Classic fallback.Please answer honestly, did you watch the game?
2 assists.
1 clearly intentional.
1 literally debated in the post match.
How can you not separate them?
I agree. But it's very helpful that he can play both positions. It makes us more robust when it comes to injuries.
Bruno, Mazraoui, Amad and yes even Dalot are going to be very valuable in Amorim's system.
Good news…please allow me an opinion in other threads going forwards also.Let's not get personal, now...!
At this point I'm done arguing with you. You're making absolutely no sense - you produce team stats as a reason for why you feel two random defensively minded players deserved MoTM over Bruno. All this despite seeing that Bruno produced more defensive actions than Ugarte and neither Heaven nor Ugarte played more than 70 minutes. You then go on to say, about Bruno's contribution: 'Neither assist is even worth a mention...He also score third goal in last minute, game already won.' So in your bizarro world, Bruno's two assists and peach of a goal are meaningless because you say so. It's pointless arguing with you...you call everyone else cultists but you're the most biased, irrational poster in the thread.
You're unhinged. This is my only quote in the Heaven thread:youre a REALLY strange guy.
I mean you literally chased me out of Ayden Heaven thread because I said I felt he was best player on pitch. 18 year old playing his first full premier league game getting credit for performance…and you feel need to be upset that Bruno didn’t get everyone vote.
You then demand my opinion of Bruno in here….Played good. Capped with great goal. Not good enough for you. How dare I have said 18 year old debutant was my pick. How dare I think Ugarte was more important to giving us foothold.
You’ve now spent two days going on about my opinion, not just with me but with anyone else who sees the reasoning, and anyone else agreeing with you. Fanatical. You spent last week chasing me because I don’t think Bruno is better than the likes of Ince or Carrick who I don’t consider legends. Just my opinion.
As another poster said, we didn’t play that well. Nobody was great (barring Heaven) and as much as stats say Bruno had great game for goals and assists in context he had 2 assists from XA 0.18 over whole game. Neither assist is even worth a mention. Yet you want to argue them. Sums you up. He also score third goal in last minute, game already won.
Here’s stats that explain why I picked two defensive players as my MOTM
Possession
54% v 46%
XG
1.05 v 0.91
Big chances
3 v 0
Corners
6 v 4
Passes
520 v 461
Touches in penalty area
23 v 17
Accurate passes
434 v 359
Final third entries
49 v 33
Long balls
36 v 54
Hope this helps, if not take chill pill. Accept not everyone sees things in stats.
Looked really composed, great anticipation and good recovery speed. Not scared to put his body on the line either. Feel really bad for him as he was excellent. Hopefully it's not as bad as it looks and he's back sooner than feared.
I can’t wrap my head around this sentence on an internet forum.you literally chased me out of Ayden Heaven thread
Note to self: pass accuracy = controlUgarte also had 67% pass accuracy and went off at 68 minutes but apparently helped us control the game for 90.
As I said earlier, the poster is not able to have an objective discussion around Bruno.
Totally sensible - not agreeing to give MotM = pretty shitWell, if you ignore the 2 assists and a goal in a 3-0 win, he was pretty shit wasn't he![]()
Out of interest: in this instance, your "opinion" is based on pretty much every single metric, right? ^^Neither assist was intentional? That's just not true.
Also, yes, there's often some bias towards attacking players for MoTM awards but there's quite honestly no way of arguing ugarte had a better game than Bruno. It's just a nonsense stance as per pretty much every single metric.
Welcome to the thread.You say you don’t want to be pedantic and then produce the most pedantic point I’ve seen on here. I agree it would be grammatically better to specify neither was great and one assist wasn’t intentional but then, there’s a large chunk of common sense missing if we can’t work out the meaning (which makes me think ironically you did mean to be pedantic) given there’s only one assist that could possibly have been unintentional. I think that fair to say? It’s a bit mad to not think the pass to Hojlund was not simply a pass to Hojlund?
Re the stats, that’s about as meaningless as you can get without context/comparison. I’m not even arguing for it, but Ugarte played well and in a completely different role - hence why it’s fine for someone to think he got motm.
This thread is a true testament for the borderline criminal level of underappreciation. Honestly - maybe we should close this thread here and migrate to the Legend thread. Since thats probably the thread that will cause the fewest controversyVery underappreciated player. I wish we better capitalised on his prime, hopefully we can make good use of the rest of his prime and surround him with some quality midfielders and forwards, preferably ones who really knows what scoring goals is all about.
Please do make a stats-based argument that paints ugarte as MoTM ahead of Bruno then. I'm all ears.Note to self: pass accuracy = control
Totally sensible - not agreeing to give MotM = pretty shit
Out of interest: in this instance, your "opinion" is based on pretty much every single metric, right? ^^
Welcome to the thread.
This thread is a true testament for the borderline criminal level of underappreciation. Honestly - maybe we should close this thread here and migrate to the Legend thread. Since thats probably the thread that will cause the fewest controversy
No because it’s the only thing that makes sense. If you watched the game, or even the highlights, you would know there is only one assist that is contentious?Yes, I did. Love the reverting to 'did you even watch the game?'. Classic fallback.
Please answer honestly: can we agree that Bruno intended to poke the second assist to the player closest to him (garna)?
No because it’s the only thing that makes sense. If you watched the game, or even the highlights, you would know there is only one assist that is contentious?
No I think he’s just challenging for the ball, as evident by the fact he’s literally stretching for a 50/50 that’s rebounded. Again though, you wouldn’t need me to explain this is the debatable assist surely? The other one is just a pass?
Please just read the whole thread, it's tiresome when people jump in with this kind of rubbish which isn't what the posts are about. Takes about 2 mins to read back through for a semblance of context.So sometimes when there is pinball in the penalty area and the attacking team player pokes the ball into the net, does the score have an aesterix?
*1-0 but the player toe poked it so it should not count as a goal.
He is clearly trying to direct the ball towards Garnacho. The other one is just a pass, yeah that is what an assist is, a pass for another player to score.
You are aware of the fact that not everybody is aligned with how you vote MotM, right? It is a subjective thing to do - the guy got a crazy amount of votes, nobody in here said that it was obviously undeserved and yet here we are with you telling other people why your opinion seems to be the only right one. I am sure, there are no ill intentions but it comes across as if you have issues with other people having different opinions than you. Even though the majority in here shares your viewpoint.Please do make a stats-based argument that paints ugarte as MoTM ahead of Bruno then. I'm all ears.
I looked at the bulk of available metrics on that site but feel free to correct me if you see anything awry.
Please just read the whole thread, it's tiresome when people jump in with this kind of rubbish which isn't what the posts are about. Takes about 2 mins to read back through for a semblance of context.
as much as it’s factual that neither assist was that great or even intentional
I really do worry about some of you. You clearly have not, the answer to this question is in the posts. I have no idea what you are talking about re the Hojlund pass, that assist is not up for debate.I have actually and this is how you started it... how can you tell me that its a fact that neither assist was intentional? A fact would be if you knew who touched the ball first.. meaning having access to the ball technology to see this? Or that Bruno didn't try to pass to Hojlund? When the ball travels towards Hojlund... how can that not be intentional?
It's been said already...it's clear as day that he's trying to direct it to garnacho. Quite apart from his intention (which, again, is obviously to direct it to garna otherwise what IS he trying to do?) his intention is irrelevant. It's an assist regardless.No because it’s the only thing that makes sense. If you watched the game, or even the highlights, you would know there is only one assist that is contentious?
No I think he’s just challenging for the ball, as evident by the fact he’s literally stretching for a 50/50 that’s rebounded. Again though, you wouldn’t need me to explain this is the debatable assist surely? The other one is just a pass?
I don't have issues with people having other opinions that differ, but when it's so clearly nonsensical I'll argue it, yes. That poster can argue that Bruno is a space alien bent on destroying the world and I won't be able to convince them otherwise but it doesn't mean that I won't disagree with that opinion.You are aware of the fact that not everybody is aligned with how you vote MotM, right? It is a subjective thing to do - the guy got a crazy amount of votes, nobody in here said that it was obviously undeserved and yet here we are with you telling other people why your opinion seems to be the only right one. I am sure, there are no ill intentions but it comes across as if you have issues with other people having different opinions than you. Even though the majority in here shares your viewpoint.
I wouldn't give MotM to Ugarte either. I've given it to De Ligt because I thought his defensive contribution was very important to us. Thats not saying that Bruno didn't play well and obviously a goal and two assists will secure his spot for most people and thats fine but ffs, give it a rest, not everybody has to agree with you.
So we both show problematic behaviour in here? Its one thing to argue with that way with people we already know are hellbent on their position, you are doing it right now with somebody who isn't even a Bruno critic. Thing started with him not agreeing to you that Bruno has to be MotM. I am sure you don't like being called a cultist but it is not far fetched to look at it that way.I don't have issues with people having other opinions that differ, but when it's so clearly nonsensical I'll argue it, yes. That poster can argue that Bruno is a space alien bent on destroying the world and I won't be able to convince them otherwise but it doesn't mean that I won't disagree with that opinion.
You should also take your own advice, in bold. The fact you say that shows a staggering lack of self-awareness.
I really do worry about some of you. You clearly have not, the answer to this question is in the posts. I have no idea what you are talking about re the Hojlund pass, that assist is not up for debate.
As with every dialogue we begin, this is going nowhere productive. I'm out.So we both show problematic behaviour in here? Its one thing to argue with that way with people we already know are hellbent on their position, you are doing it right now with somebody who isn't even a Bruno critic. Thing started with him not agreeing to you that Bruno has to be MotM. I am sure you don't like being called a cultist but it is not far fetched to look at it that way.
Genuinely please read the thread. I know you have not because this exact point was discussed with another poster and answered....I get you jumped on something without context, but it's fine to just admit that and not go down guns blazing.You can worry about us but sometimes you have to look at yourself in the mirror too...
You told me to go read the thread and I quoted what you said... that neither was intentional.
Not my words, I was paraphrasing the poster who claimed Ugarte as better than Bruno because he helped United gain a foothold in the game over the 90 minutes, despite him only being on 68 mins, having very low pass accuracy, far fewer touches/passes and even less defensive actions than Bruno. It is clear he is blinkered by his dislike of Bruno.Note to self: pass accuracy = control
The issue I believe is that near enough every publication, website, TV coverage, media outlet that I have seen gave Bruno MoTM, commended him on a captain's performance,You are aware of the fact that not everybody is aligned with how you vote MotM, right? It is a subjective thing to do - the guy got a crazy amount of votes, nobody in here said that it was obviously undeserved and yet here we are with you telling other people why your opinion seems to be the only right one. I am sure, there are no ill intentions but it comes across as if you have issues with other people having different opinions than you. Even though the majority in here shares your viewpoint.
I wouldn't give MotM to Ugarte either. I've given it to De Ligt because I thought his defensive contribution was very important to us. Thats not saying that Bruno didn't play well and obviously a goal and two assists will secure his spot for most people and thats fine but ffs, give it a rest, not everybody has to agree with you.