[Champ]

I disagree, I thought Ugarte as example was better over 90 mins. Heaven I thought was so good in time on pitch that, while I’d agree that is unusual to get MOTM for 60 mins, I’d would absolutely break protocol for performance there.

In your head it was clear choice, goes without saying.

Context though, he played well…great goal but third goal in 3-0 last minute. Messed up two counters for third before that.

Two assists? Only in paper. First was speculative pass that should be dealt with…ended with Hojlund, facing a defender running 30 yards, pushed wide scoring with great finish. This is only assist on paper as nobody else touched ball since Bruno. Did anyone think there was a good chance we would score from that pass, expect a goal? Second assist is even worse. Not even sure he touched it after playing the wrong pass initially and it coming back to him. If he did it was toe poke that ended up near Garnacho.

Possibly one of the worst posts on this thread, and there's been some shockers!

Quite easily a MoTM performance from Bruno last night, was a complete performance.
He didn't need to make the run he did for his goal, he could have just held his position and been lazy, but no, he wanted to score, to get the win and put the result beyond doubt.

 

[Smores]

Possibly one of the worst posts on this thread, and there's been some shockers!

Quite easily a MoTM performance from Bruno last night, was a complete performance.
He didn't need to make the run he did for his goal, he could have just held his position and been lazy, but no, he wanted to score, to get the win and put the result beyond doubt.

It's not even his worse post in this thread, in fact he set the bar from his very first post in the thread

How we doing with him? Guy has been consistent garbage three years straight. He has four or five Stan’s here for sure but majority see through him.

 

[romufc]

I disagree, I thought Ugarte as example was better over 90 mins. Heaven I thought was so good in time on pitch that, while I’d agree that is unusual to get MOTM for 60 mins, I’d would absolutely break protocol for performance there.

In your head it was clear choice, goes without saying.

Context though, he played well…great goal but third goal in 3-0 last minute. Messed up two counters for third before that.

Two assists? Only in paper. First was speculative pass that should be dealt with…ended with Hojlund, facing a defender running 30 yards, pushed wide scoring with great finish. This is only assist on paper as nobody else touched ball since Bruno. Did anyone think there was a good chance we would score from that pass, expect a goal? Second assist is even worse. Not even sure he touched it after playing the wrong pass initially and it coming back to him. If he did it was toe poke that ended up near Garnacho.

Tell me you dont like Bruno without telling me....

Still fans think as a creative midfielder, he should get every pass 100%. He messed up 2 counters so he cannot be MOTM.

Whilst you can diminish what he does and things like.. speculative pass.. when it actually wasn't. If you watch how the ball is played, the run, Bruno meant to pass the ball towards Hojlund. It wasn't a speculative clearance and Hojlund happened to be there....

 

[Scandi Red]

It's not even his worse post in this thread, in fact he set the bar from his very first post in the thread

For a while I thought that he (?) was zaafi (rip) or Jeppers (rip). But not even they were that extreme. In any case, those 3 are definitely members of the Anti-Bruno Mount Rushmore. I guess NZT is the 4th? Not as extreme as the others, but he makes up for it with his impressive output.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

If you win 3-0 and a player makes the first two and scores a brilliant goal himself then he's always going to be MOTM.

Anyone not giving it Bruno yesterday has an agenda against him.

 

[Pickle85]

I disagree, I thought Ugarte as example was better over 90 mins. Heaven I thought was so good in time on pitch that, while I’d agree that is unusual to get MOTM for 60 mins, I’d would absolutely break protocol for performance there.

In your head it was clear choice, goes without saying.

Context though, he played well…great goal but third goal in 3-0 last minute. Messed up two counters for third before that.

Two assists? Only in paper. First was speculative pass that should be dealt with…ended with Hojlund, facing a defender running 30 yards, pushed wide scoring with great finish. This is only assist on paper as nobody else touched ball since Bruno. Did anyone think there was a good chance we would score from that pass, expect a goal? Second assist is even worse. Not even sure he touched it after playing the wrong pass initially and it coming back to him. If he did it was toe poke that ended up near Garnacho.

For what reasons do you think ugarte was better last night?

 

[Isotope]

Exactly. It’s setting Bruno up for failure to elevate him to such a comparison. Needlessly, too.

I think there's a case that even van Nistelrooy would hard to get into that 99' team starting XI.
Cole and York chemistry was just out of this world as partners.

 

[Greyfog]

In the conversation for Ballon d'or?

 

[Scandi Red]

The whole "would Player X with get into Team Z" discussion is kind of pointless. The second best player in history would technically not get into a team with the best player in history if they play the same position (yeah yeah, the manager would "make it work", I get it...)

It's more useful to discuss whether or not they would look out of place or whether or not they would have the needed quality to succeed. And in in the case of Bruno specifically the answer is obviously yes. He's better than a whole bunch of United players with 100-150 apps. Hell he's even better than some undisputed legends like G.Neville and Solskjær.

 

[El Jefe]

He is better than Yorke imo, though they're pretty different sorts of players.

I don’t think he’s close at all. The poster he quoted said he’d get in the 99 team. Yorke was a top 3 player in our 99 team so he obviously wouldn’t.

What everyone gets excited about Bruno doing while we are in the bottom half is what Yorke was doing in our treble winning side.

I believe he was 1st in goals and 2nd in assists. Think he got 29 and 22 G+A that season. He was world class and a big game player.

Maybe overall as a player he was better than Yorke (personally don’t agree) but the level Yorke hit in 99 would have any version of Bruno on the bench pretty easily.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I don’t think he’s close at all. The poster he quoted said he’d get in the 99 team. Yorke was a top 3 player in our 99 team so he obviously wouldn’t.

What everyone gets excited about Bruno doing while we are in the bottom half is what Yorke was doing in our treble winning side.

I believe he was 1st in goals and 2nd in assists. Think he got 29 and 22 G+A that season. He was world class and a big game player.

Maybe overall as a player he was better than Yorke (personally don’t agree) but the level Yorke hit in 99 would have any version of Bruno on the bench pretty easily.

I loved Dwight Yorke - and he was brilliant in that season. But that was an outlier in his career, he never came close to those heights before or after.

Comparing a striker with an attacking midfielder, which is now often asked to play at the beast of the midfield is not a good comparison.

 

[Kweku Amonoo]

This has always been my issue with Bruno Fernandes, especially in the United teams that he’s been a key player in over the last 4-5 years. He’s a moments player. Even in games where he’s scored and assisted, there are several times when he’s giving the ball away needlessly and contributing to our inability to control the game. It’s okay for forwards to play like that, not midfielders. If we classify him as a forward, then it’s all good. I’ve always felt midfield should be more about control. Perhaps if he was surrounded by players who could offer that control, then we could afford for him to go and do whatever he wants like he does now. But we haven’t been built like that.

Given how he sees and plays the game, his numbers will almost always look good, but I think overall the team will become a more cohesive unit once he isn’t a key player in it.

 

[Pickle85]

I don’t think he’s close at all. The poster he quoted said he’d get in the 99 team. Yorke was a top 3 player in our 99 team so he obviously wouldn’t.

What everyone gets excited about Bruno doing while we are in the bottom half is what Yorke was doing in our treble winning side.

I believe he was 1st in goals and 2nd in assists. Think he got 29 and 22 G+A that season. He was world class and a big game player.

Maybe overall as a player he was better than Yorke (personally don’t agree) but the level Yorke hit in 99 would have any version of Bruno on the bench pretty easily.

It's a flawed comparison for several reasons, chief among which are that they play different positions and also that Yorke was playing in a brilliantly coached, highly functional unit packed with top players. The part in bold is so strange to me...like Yorke's achievements were meant to be more impressive because he was surrounded by better players? Surely it's more difficult to put those numbers up in a dysfunctional team. Also, Yorke was nothing like as consistent as Bruno.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

I don’t think he’s close at all. The poster he quoted said he’d get in the 99 team. Yorke was a top 3 player in our 99 team so he obviously wouldn’t.

What everyone gets excited about Bruno doing while we are in the bottom half is what Yorke was doing in our treble winning side.

I believe he was 1st in goals and 2nd in assists. Think he got 29 and 22 G+A that season. He was world class and a big game player.

Maybe overall as a player he was better than Yorke (personally don’t agree) but the level Yorke hit in 99 would have any version of Bruno on the bench pretty easily.

Didn't Dwight Yorke ask Fergie for a year off after winning the treble? That pales in comparison to Bruno's relentless winning mentality to want to play/win every game.

 

[Satissh12]

Not sure if this was posted here

 

[LeonDion]

I agree with this. That being said, his finish for the goal was great and he still offered a very good performance in total. Whether thats MotM or not is personal decision at the end of the day and I wouldn't go into battle against somebody who thinks he was. I'll use the chance to state that I agree, he definitely takes a bit more care of the ball and doesn't seem too rushed in the last few games which is a good thing. Lets see if he can maintain that though, when the going gets a little tougher.

Yep…I think he played well, great goal. Thought Ugarte was better….heaven was exceptional

 

[LeonDion]

For what reasons do you think ugarte was better last night?

His performance from minute 1. Was at heart of breaking things up, keeping us in midfield battle that Eriksen seemed to keep wanting us to lose, tracking runners, big intervention, making runs himself to get forward, tidy on ball also. He and Heaven for me had biggest impact on us keeping foothold.

Bruno played well, scored great goal. I don’t have to agree that he was MOTM…this thread is like cult of Bruno.

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

His performance from minute 1. Was at heart of breaking things up, keeping us in midfield battle that Eriksen seemed to keep wanting us to lose, tracking runners, big intervention, making runs himself to get forward, tidy on ball also. He and Heaven for me had biggest impact on us keeping foothold.

Bruno played well, scored great goal. I don’t have to agree that he was MOTM…this thread is like cult of Bruno.

But he scored a goal and assisted, he would get man of the match as he was the difference. That’s not knocking Ugarte or Heaven’s performance. Heaven would have been close had he not been taken off injured.

 

[LeonDion]

It's not even his worse post in this thread, in fact he set the bar from his very first post in the thread

Reply to this…

“You can debate how well or how badly he played until you're blue in the face but we would be fecked without him.”

Feel free to actual debate points though. You think he performed well and the team has been good last three season?

I think he has spells of good form, not season. He is in good form now. What form was he in when that post?

I wouldn’t throw every other player under bus for Bruno. He is equally to blame as others.

Mazrouio, Deligt, Yorro, Heaven, Mainoo, Martinez, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Garnacho and probably others are all good enough to play in teams around top 5 in league. Yet we sit 14 all season and thank god for Bruno? I disagree. If he play like he play now all season maybe….but he has not. Six weeks of good form and he better than Beckham and Yorke who were…not just part of…but fundamental to us winning treble. Along with Keane they were the three top player of treble winners.

Thread is ridiculous. Cultist.

 

[Pickle85]

His performance from minute 1. Was at heart of breaking things up, keeping us in midfield battle that Eriksen seemed to keep wanting us to lose, tracking runners, big intervention, making runs himself to get forward, tidy on ball also. He and Heaven for me had biggest impact on us keeping foothold.

Bruno played well, scored great goal. I don’t have to agree that he was MOTM…this thread is like cult of Bruno.

Ugarte was the seventh highest performer according to the match day thread. Having him ahead of Bruno is borderline delusional. Heaven is a little more understandable (though still mad as he didn't play more than 1/3 of the game).

You're right you don't have to agree with anything, but when you chime in with mad opinions you can't be too surprised when people call them out as mad.

 

[Olecurls99]

I actually think this is the best version of Bruno that we have seen, in terms of being a well rounded footballer that is effective.

He makes better decisions on when to try percentage passes and when to keep the ball, he’s better under pressure and can find a way out of tricky situations, he’s started to even go past players, his defensive work is incredible…

I think Amorim has got a grip of him finally and shown him how to help the team become a more controlled and dominant team, which has took him up a level.

The reasons why some fans wanted to see the back of him are no longer there anymore. In fact they’re strengths to his game now in my opinion.

Agreed

 

[Eplel]

His performance from minute 1. Was at heart of breaking things up, keeping us in midfield battle that Eriksen seemed to keep wanting us to lose, tracking runners, big intervention, making runs himself to get forward, tidy on ball also. He and Heaven for me had biggest impact on us keeping foothold.

Bruno played well, scored great goal. I don’t have to agree that he was MOTM…this thread is like cult of Bruno.

And there you thought that Bruno's pass to Hojlund was speculative, but this post the the most speculative answer you could have given to someone who asked you to provide some details about why you think Ugarte played better.

 

[NZT-One]

You are so salty people are seeing him positively, it's quite comical.

Honestly, not salty. Actually, I sometimes even feel bad because it must look as if I always criticize the player. But I feel all I do is pointing out bad arguments. I am sure I cross the line here and there maybe too often but I think I am not the only one in here.

Tell me you dont like Bruno without telling me....

Still fans think as a creative midfielder, he should get every pass 100%. He messed up 2 counters so he cannot be MOTM.

Whilst you can diminish what he does and things like.. speculative pass.. when it actually wasn't. If you watch how the ball is played, the run, Bruno meant to pass the ball towards Hojlund. It wasn't a speculative clearance and Hojlund happened to be there....

Did he say the pass was speculative? I wouldn't agree that it was speculative - my wording would be low probability. I am sure Bruno intended to do what he did. And gladly it worked out. But the way I remember the goal, it looked like the defender could have taken that ball since he was placed decently enough.

That being said - it was an assist, no doubt. Because assists are counted that way. I would criticize that way of counting it, rather than Bruno adding two to his account in the last game.

For a while I thought that he (?) was zaafi (rip) or Jeppers (rip). But not even they were that extreme. In any case, those 3 are definitely members of the Anti-Bruno Mount Rushmore. I guess NZT is the 4th? Not as extreme as the others, but he makes up for it with his impressive output.

how do you know about my output? Am I off the ignore list for some reason?

The whole "would Player X with get into Team Z" discussion is kind of pointless.

I agree wholeheartedly, so lets not restart it after either the next good game of him nor the next bad game

 

[Posh Red]

I actually think this is the best version of Bruno that we have seen, in terms of being a well rounded footballer that is effective.

He makes better decisions on when to try percentage passes and when to keep the ball, he’s better under pressure and can find a way out of tricky situations, he’s started to even go past players, his defensive work is incredible…

I think Amorim has got a grip of him finally and shown him how to help the team become a more controlled and dominant team, which has took him up a level.

The reasons why some fans wanted to see the back of him are no longer there anymore. In fact they’re strengths to his game now in my opinion.

Said the same the other day. This is the most balanced version of Bruno.

 

[youngrell]

Ugarte was the seventh highest performer according to the match day thread. Having him ahead of Bruno is borderline delusional. Heaven is a little more understandable (though still mad as he didn't play more than 1/3 of the game).

You're right you don't have to agree with anything, but when you chime in with mad opinions you can't be too surprised when people call them out as mad.

Ugarte also had 67% pass accuracy and went off at 68 minutes but apparently helped us control the game for 90.

As I said earlier, the poster is not able to have an objective discussion around Bruno.

 

[rotherham_red]

I disagree, I thought Ugarte as example was better over 90 mins. Heaven I thought was so good in time on pitch that, while I’d agree that is unusual to get MOTM for 60 mins, I’d would absolutely break protocol for performance there.

In your head it was clear choice, goes without saying.

Context though, he played well…great goal but third goal in 3-0 last minute. Messed up two counters for third before that.

Two assists? Only in paper. First was speculative pass that should be dealt with…ended with Hojlund, facing a defender running 30 yards, pushed wide scoring with great finish. This is only assist on paper as nobody else touched ball since Bruno. Did anyone think there was a good chance we would score from that pass, expect a goal? Second assist is even worse. Not even sure he touched it after playing the wrong pass initially and it coming back to him. If he did it was toe poke that ended up near Garnacho.

Well, if you ignore the 2 assists and a goal in a 3-0 win, he was pretty shit wasn't he

 

[Pickle85]

Ugarte also had 67% pass accuracy and went off at 68 minutes but apparently helped us control the game for 90.

As I said earlier, the poster is not able to have an objective discussion around Bruno.

Yep, think I need to stop looking for objectivity amidst the hatred!

 

[caid]

If you win 3-0 and a player makes the first two and scores a brilliant goal himself then he's always going to be MOTM.

Anyone not giving it Bruno yesterday has an agenda against him.

I gave it to De Ligt. I thought we were better defensively than going forward.
To be honest i dont think anyone played that well. It was a good team performance but individually a lot of players weren't at their best. Hojlund and Garnacho played pretty well but i still think they're both capable of and have shown more previously. Thought Eriksen was kind of poor overall. Bruno and Dalot looked a bit leggy and not at their usual energy levels. Ugarte was fine, Mazraoui too. Lindelof was Lindelof and no one has time for that anymore. Would have probably given it to Heaven if he played the 90 mins.
Just thought we looked well organised and basically comfortable for 90 mins and our defence deserved credit considering the enforced changes and Lindelof creating panic.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Ugarte was the seventh highest performer according to the match day thread. Having him ahead of Bruno is borderline delusional. Heaven is a little more understandable (though still mad as he didn't play more than 1/3 of the game).

You're right you don't have to agree with anything, but when you chime in with mad opinions you can't be too surprised when people call them out as mad.

To be fair to that poster, if your proof is the matchday thread it’s a bit scant. I get the overall point but this is like the ballon dor, there’s probably many defenders and more defensively minded players who had better periods but these types of awards or motm go to the attacking players who make/finish the moments we remember.

It’s a nice problem to have, arguing over many players who had good games but Bruno was always going to pick up the motm, as much as it’s factual that neither assist was that great or even intentional, it’s still 2 assists and then a great goal.

 

[Waynne]

If you win 3-0 and a player makes the first two and scores a brilliant goal himself then he's always going to be MOTM.

Anyone not giving it Bruno yesterday has an agenda against him.

I would also add clinically blind. I'm sure there are also other stats that are in favour of Bruno appart from the assist and goal.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I would also add clinically blind. I'm sure there are also other stats that are in favour of Bruno appart from the assist and goal.

I agree!

 

[Pickle85]

To be fair to that poster, if your proof is the matchday thread it’s a bit scant. I get the overall point but this is like the ballon dor, there’s probably many defenders and more defensively minded players who had better periods but these types of awards or motm go to the attacking players who make/finish the moments we remember.

It’s a nice problem to have, arguing over many players who had good games but Bruno was always going to pick up the motm, as much as it’s factual that neither assist was that great or even intentional, it’s still 2 assists and then a great goal.

Neither assist was intentional? That's just not true.

Also, yes, there's often some bias towards attacking players for MoTM awards but there's quite honestly no way of arguing ugarte had a better game than Bruno. It's just a nonsense stance as per pretty much every single metric.

 

[Xeque_279]

It's not even his worse post in this thread, in fact he set the bar from his very first post in the thread

Hahahahaha. Agenda clear as day from that one post.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Neither assist was intentional? That's just not true.

Also, yes, there's often some bias towards attacking players for MoTM awards but there's quite honestly no way of arguing ugarte had a better game than Bruno. It's just a nonsense stance as per pretty much every single metric.

Well that’s not what I wrote? Neither was that great or intentional - that doesn’t take away the fact they are his assists (I think he gets the 2nd not vardy).

Not that I think this, but you’d have to assess Ugarte differently but it’s not ‘nonsense’. Plenty of players played well. A good example of this is the Sociedad game, you could argue Maz actually had the best game overall (I actually can’t remember him doing a single thing wrong) but obviously it’s rare for a defender to get Motm when a team wins and scores a lot of goals. It’s just opinions and Ugarte did play well.

 

[Pickle85]

Well that’s not what I wrote? Neither was that great or intentional - that doesn’t take away the fact they are his assists (I think he gets the 2nd not vardy).

Not that I think this, but you’d have to assess Ugarte differently but it’s not ‘nonsense’. Plenty of players played well. A good example of this is the Sociedad game, you could argue Maz actually had the best game overall (I actually can’t remember him doing a single thing wrong) but obviously it’s rare for a defender to get Motm when a team wins and scores a lot of goals. It’s just opinions and Ugarte did play well.

I don't want to be pedantic but you said 'neither assist was that great or intentional', meaning either that neither assist was that great or was intentional, or neither assist was that great or that intentional. If the latter, I'm not sure I understand. Either something is intentional or it's not, it's not a question of degree. Intentional actions can have unintentional consequences but I fail to see how either was remotely unintentional. The first was a clear ball through and the second was a poke to the nearest player.

As for the second point, yes we can argue 'it's just opinions' until we're blue in the face but I honestly can't conceive of an objective metric by which ugarte could be considered to have had a better game.

Bruno:

Scored more goals
Made more assists
Completed more passes
Had a higher pass completion rate across short medium and long passes
Had more touches in every 1/3 of the pitch
More take ons
More carries
More shots
More shots on target
Made more tackles
Made more blocks
Covered more ground

Ugarte won more aerial duels and that's about all I can find.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/7bab156e/Leicester-City-Manchester-United-March-16-2025-Premier-League

So I do think it's fair to say anyone that says ugarte had a better game is talking nonsense.

 

[LeonDion]

I don't want to be pedantic but you said 'neither assist was that great or intentional', meaning either that neither assist was that great or was intentional, or neither assist was that great or that intentional. If the latter, I'm not sure I understand. Either something is intentional or it's not, it's not a question of degree. Intentional actions can have unintentional consequences but I fail to see how either was remotely unintentional. The first was a clear ball through and the second was a poke to the nearest player.

As for the second point, yes we can argue 'it's just opinions' until we're blue in the face but I honestly can't conceive of an objective metric by which ugarte could be considered to have had a better game.

Bruno:

Scored more goals
Made more assists
Completed more passes
Had a higher pass completion rate across short medium and long passes
Had more touches in every 1/3 of the pitch
More take ons
More carries
More shots
More shots on target
Made more tackles
Made more blocks
Covered more ground

Ugarte won more aerial duels and that's about all I can find.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/7bab156e/Leicester-City-Manchester-United-March-16-2025-Premier-League

So I do think it's fair to say anyone that says ugarte had a better game is talking nonsense.

youre a REALLY strange guy.

I mean you literally chased me out of Ayden Heaven thread because I said I felt he was best player on pitch. 18 year old playing his first full premier league game getting credit for performance…and you feel need to be upset that Bruno didn’t get everyone vote.

You then demand my opinion of Bruno in here….Played good. Capped with great goal. Not good enough for you. How dare I have said 18 year old debutant was my pick. How dare I think Ugarte was more important to giving us foothold.

You’ve now spent two days going on about my opinion, not just with me but with anyone else who sees the reasoning, and anyone else agreeing with you. Fanatical. You spent last week chasing me because I don’t think Bruno is better than the likes of Ince or Carrick who I don’t consider legends. Just my opinion.

As another poster said, we didn’t play that well. Nobody was great (barring Heaven) and as much as stats say Bruno had great game for goals and assists in context he had 2 assists from XA 0.18 over whole game. Neither assist is even worth a mention. Yet you want to argue them. Sums you up. He also score third goal in last minute, game already won.

Here’s stats that explain why I picked two defensive players as my MOTM

Possession

54% v 46%

XG

1.05 v 0.91

Big chances

3 v 0

Corners

6 v 4

Passes

520 v 461

Touches in penalty area

23 v 17

Accurate passes

434 v 359

Final third entries

49 v 33

Long balls

36 v 54

Hope this helps, if not take chill pill. Accept not everyone sees things in stats.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Is there any outfield player as consistently available as Bruno Fernandes? I remember Frank Lampard being similar during his career and now Salah, but I can't recall any of our players who were seemingly never injured and almost never substituted like Bruno.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I don't want to be pedantic but you said 'neither assist was that great or intentional', meaning either that neither assist was that great or was intentional, or neither assist was that great or that intentional. If the latter, I'm not sure I understand. Either something is intentional or it's not, it's not a question of degree. Intentional actions can have unintentional consequences but I fail to see how either was remotely unintentional. The first was a clear ball through and the second was a poke to the nearest player.

As for the second point, yes we can argue 'it's just opinions' until we're blue in the face but I honestly can't conceive of an objective metric by which ugarte could be considered to have had a better game.

Bruno:

Scored more goals
Made more assists
Completed more passes
Had a higher pass completion rate across short medium and long passes
Had more touches in every 1/3 of the pitch
More take ons
More carries
More shots
More shots on target
Made more tackles
Made more blocks
Covered more ground

Ugarte won more aerial duels and that's about all I can find.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/7bab156e/Leicester-City-Manchester-United-March-16-2025-Premier-League

So I do think it's fair to say anyone that says ugarte had a better game is talking nonsense.

You say you don’t want to be pedantic and then produce the most pedantic point I’ve seen on here. I agree it would be grammatically better to specify neither was great and one assist wasn’t intentional but then, there’s a large chunk of common sense missing if we can’t work out the meaning (which makes me think ironically you did mean to be pedantic) given there’s only one assist that could possibly have been unintentional. I think that fair to say? It’s a bit mad to not think the pass to Hojlund was not simply a pass to Hojlund?

Re the stats, that’s about as meaningless as you can get without context/comparison. I’m not even arguing for it, but Ugarte played well and in a completely different role - hence why it’s fine for someone to think he got motm.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[Pickle85]

youre a REALLY strange guy.

I mean you literally chased me out of Ayden Heaven thread because I said I felt he was best player on pitch. 18 year old playing his first full premier league game getting credit for performance…and you feel need to be upset that Bruno didn’t get everyone vote.

You then demand my opinion of Bruno in here….Played good. Capped with great goal. Not good enough for you. How dare I have said 18 year old debutant was my pick. How dare I think Ugarte was more important to giving us foothold.

You’ve now spent two days going on about my opinion, not just with me but with anyone else who sees the reasoning, and anyone else agreeing with you. Fanatical. You spent last week chasing me because I don’t think Bruno is better than the likes of Ince or Carrick who I don’t consider legends. Just my opinion.

As another poster said, we didn’t play that well. Nobody was great (barring Heaven) and as much as stats say Bruno had great game for goals and assists in context he had 2 assists from XA 0.18 over whole game. Neither assist is even worth a mention. Yet you want to argue them. Sums you up. He also score third goal in last minute, game already won.

Here’s stats that explain why I picked two defensive players as my MOTM

Possession

54% v 46%

XG

1.05 v 0.91

Big chances

3 v 0

Corners

6 v 4

Passes

520 v 461

Touches in penalty area

23 v 17

Accurate passes

434 v 359

Final third entries

49 v 33

Long balls

36 v 54

Hope this helps, if not take chill pill. Accept not everyone sees things in stats.

Let's not get personal, now...!

At this point I'm done arguing with you. You're making absolutely no sense - you produce team stats as a reason for why you feel two random defensively minded players deserved MoTM over Bruno. All this despite seeing that Bruno produced more defensive actions than Ugarte and neither Heaven nor Ugarte played more than 70 minutes. You then go on to say, about Bruno's contribution: 'Neither assist is even worth a mention...He also score third goal in last minute, game already won.' So in your bizarro world, Bruno's two assists and peach of a goal are meaningless because you say so. It's pointless arguing with you...you call everyone else cultists but you're the most biased, irrational poster in the thread.