[JakeC]

Bruno frustrates the feck out of me.

So did Ronaldo (Bruno isn't that level) and so did Nani (Bruno is twice the player) he's the only one who plays centrally who creates, whilst also having the fitness levels to do it every fecking game.

He's playing with a worse team than under Plex and it's clear to see. Maybe the system doesn't work for him, so a compromise has to be made. He's that important to us.

 

[JakeC]

Bruno frustrates the feck out of me.

So did Ronaldo (Bruno isn't that level) and so did Nani (Bruno is twice the player) he's the only one who plays centrally who creates, whilst also having the fitness levels to do it every fecking game.

He's playing with a worse team than under Plex and it's clear to see. Maybe the system doesn't work for him, so a compromise has to be made. He's that important to us.

Under ole*

 

[Musclehead]

13 seconds, that is how far in the game for Bruno's first touch and first give away. The guy is absolutely brutal. If he stays through another transfer window, reality is, Ratcliffe has no idea what he is doing. Ed Woodward II!

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

In a few years we will realise how good he really was. He's getting dragged into the mire with all the crap players but even then he creates 2 clear chances.
We don't deserve him, been lucky to have a player like him at the club.

 

[JakeC]

In a few years we will realise how good he really was. He's getting dragged into the mire with all the crap players but even then he creates 2 clear chances.
We don't deserve him, been lucky to have a player like him at the club.

Agreed

 

[Musclehead]

Bruno frustrates the feck out of me.

So did Ronaldo (Bruno isn't that level) and so did Nani (Bruno is twice the player) he's the only one who plays centrally who creates, whilst also having the fitness levels to do it every fecking game.

He's playing with a worse team than under Plex and it's clear to see. Maybe the system doesn't work for him, so a compromise has to be made. He's that important to us.

You have to be joking, Fernandes is done at this level. Fernandes exemplifies this team, too slow, too old and too sloppy. This guy would have never made starting 11 under SAF. Until Ineos realize he is part of the problem and not the solution, things will not change.

 

[JakeC]

The guy is absolutely brutal. If he stays through another transfer window..

Ridiculous.

 

[JakeC]

You have to be joking, Fernandes is done at this level. Fernandes exemplifies this team, too slow, too old and too sloppy. This guy would have never made starting 11 under SAF. Until Ineos realize he is part of the problem and not the solution, things will not change.

He just turned 30 the feck.

 

[Red in STL]

He just turned 30 the feck.

Wasting your time, every post is a dump on Bruno

 

[JakeC]

Wasting your time, every post is a dump on Bruno

Always try and help engage with newbies. He seems a lost cause.

Again Bruno pissed me off today, but if people can't see he's our best player then they need to have a serious word with themselves

 

[Scandi Red]

Wasting your time, every post is a dump on Bruno

Almost literally! He has 79 posts in this thread alone. That's nearly half his total posts. He's probably active in some other Bruno threads too

 

[Eagle_eye]

Not sure where he fits in this system, too sloppy with passes, not disciplined enough and physically not strong enough for the midfield 2 (we need an Ederson there) .. And not skillful, intrequent or accurate enough to play as one of the 10s (someone like Cunha needed there).

 

[UnitedRepublic]

Bruno frustrates the feck out of me.

So did Ronaldo (Bruno isn't that level) and so did Nani (Bruno is twice the player) he's the only one who plays centrally who creates, whilst also having the fitness levels to do it every fecking game.

He's playing with a worse team than under Plex and it's clear to see. Maybe the system doesn't work for him, so a compromise has to be made. He's that important to us.

Bruno twice the player Nani was ? Stats has gotten to your mind Nani never had the freedom Bruno has been afforded. Bruno can’t carry ball to save his life. He just prays and sprays. There is a reason why we are where we are today and Bruno plays a part in it.

 

[NZT-One]

Always try and help engage with newbies. He seems a lost cause.

Again Bruno pissed me off today, but if people can't see he's our best player then they need to have a serious word with themselves

Maybe you should have a word with yourself as well if you really think being our best players means something these days.

 

[NZT-One]

Muck.

Chelsea, Milan, PSG, Villa, Napoli, Marseille, Juventus, Benfica, Seville, Forrest, Inter. Have all took players from us who were cast offs.

Bruno starts for any club really

I like how you placed Villa, Marseille, Sevilla and Forest in there. But I am sure you really think that those are the clubs the other poster was talking about.

 

[Reiver]

I want to be positive about all our players, if I can. But he was awful today, just about as bad as I've seen him. Did him no favors being paired with Old Father Time though.

 

[Red in STL]

I want to be positive about all our players, if I can. But he was awful today, just about as bad as I've seen him. Did him no favors being paired with Old Father Time though.

He wasn't great today, but Gary Neville on his podcast had some things to say about him today, when I think back on the game some o/f what he said was valid

 

[bosnian_red]

No good club would buy him.

He'd without a doubt go to a title challenging club in a major league.

 

[Reiver]

He wasn't great today, but Gary Neville on his podcast had some things to say about him today, when I think back on the game some o/f what he said was valid

I'll have a listen, thanks

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

My only issue with Bruno is he lacks the discipline to stay within a system, especially when he's playing in midfield.

The guy just tries to do too much because he's surrounded by a bunch of bang average players.

Take Bruno out of this squad and we would be even worse !

 

[romufc]

My only issue with Bruno is he lacks the discipline to stay within a system, especially when he's playing in midfield.

The guy just tries to do too much because he's surrounded by a bunch of bang average players.

Take Bruno out of this squad and we would be even worse !

Its also not his fault... his strengths are his weakness. His availability and workrate causes issues.

We played yesterday with 5 - 2 - 3 formation.

However... Bruno was CM and RW at the same time... how is the manager asking him to cover both?

 

[Craig Ward]

In a few years we will realise how good he really was. He's getting dragged into the mire with all the crap players but even then he creates 2 clear chances.
We don't deserve him, been lucky to have a player like him at the club.

I couldn't disagree with this more.

His first season his quality shone through - great stuff to watch. He elevated us.

He's been in serious decline for a good while now and his current level is painful to watch. His good moments used to mask the sloppy passes, now he's a bit of a liability.

His passing, decision making and all round play are sub standard. He cannot play central midfield - he's just lost there.

He won't be remembered as a great united player, he'll be remembered as the worst captain in the worst era of our history

 

[Craig Ward]

Its also not his fault... his strengths are his weakness. His availability and workrate causes issues.

We played yesterday with 5 - 2 - 3 formation.

However... Bruno was CM and RW at the same time... how is the manager asking him to cover both?

I highly doubt Amorin asked him to cover 2 positions.

Bruno just runs around doing whatever he feels like

 

[Craig Ward]

He'd without a doubt go to a title challenging club in a major league.

Laughable comment

 

[romufc]

I highly doubt Amorin asked him to cover 2 positions.

Bruno just runs around doing whatever he feels like

Oh right... Bruno just saw Maddison, Spence in space and thought let me go help the team and track those runners right?

Nothing to do with what the manager said to him? Zirkzee and Hojlund and no RM?

 

[kouroux]

He'd without a doubt go to a title challenging club in a major league.

Which team for instance ?

 

[Adisa]

His captaincy should not survive this season.

 

[Adisa]

Off the top of my head, I remember about three occasions he was mugged off the ball when we were in advanced positions with not many players behind him. He's a liability.

 

[Craig Ward]

Oh right... Bruno just saw Maddison, Spence in space and thought let me go help the team and track those runners right?

Nothing to do with what the manager said to him? Zirkzee and Hojlund and no RM?

Dalot was playing right wing back.............apparently.

My point is Bruno is not great at playing within a system. He just sorta runs around doing his own thing. Sometimes it's needed from a CM, sure. Sometimes he's in no mans land like a lost soul.

He was awful yesterday. All over the place.

Amorin didnt set the team up and say "Bruno - your playing CM and RW today, your that good you can play two positions" That would be absurd. Bruno just wanders - awful player

 

[romufc]

Dalot was playing right wing back.............apparently.

My point is Bruno is not great at playing within a system. He just sorta runs around doing his own thing. Sometimes it's needed from a CM, sure. Sometimes he's in no mans land like a lost soul.

He was awful yesterday. All over the place.

Amorin didnt set the team up and say "Bruno - your playing CM and RW today, your that good you can play two positions" That would be absurd. Bruno just wanders - awful player

I dont think you are getting it.

Dorgu played LWB and Garnacho was helping the him for the overlaps..

Could you tell me who our RAM was?

 

[Craig Ward]

Off the top of my head, I remember about three occasions he was mugged off the ball when we were in advanced positions with not many players behind him. He's a liability.

3 is generous i feel. Awful player

 

[Craig Ward]

I dont think you are getting it.

Dorgu played LWB and Garnacho was helping the him for the overlaps..

Could you tell me who our RAM was?

Feels like a pointless thing to do replying here.

But Zirkzee obviously, which you already know.

Bruno was CM - alongside Casemiro.

Spence should have been looked after by Dalot. Bruno should not have been covering the right wing position at all. But he does - cos he wanders around. Cos he's incapable of playing central midfield

 

[romufc]

Feels like a pointless thing to do replying here.

But Zirkzee obviously, which you already know.

Bruno was CM - alongside Casemiro.

Spence should have been looked after by Dalot. Bruno should not have been covering the right wing position at all. But he does - cos he wanders around. Cos he's incapable of playing central midfield

So you are saying you didn't watch the game. Thank you.

It clearly was not Zirkzee and you know this as he was almost playing behind Rasmus.

I dont get it... the LAM and RAM generally track the full backs.. Garnacho was doing it.

 

[arthurka]

If there is a good offer we should let him go.

 

[NZT-One]

I dont think you are getting it.

Dorgu played LWB and Garnacho was helping the him for the overlaps..

Could you tell me who our RAM was?

While I agree that this issue isn't just on Bruno, he also shouldn't be the one deciding how to deal with it. And that is what it looked like. If he is leaving central areas he is the one leaving Casemiro (of all people) isolated. What is worse - leaving space in the center or giving Tottenham more space out wide. You are right, Spurs found an issue in our setup and we didn't adapt but some issues just cant be decided on a player level - Amorim would have been the one to find a solution to the issue. It is a weird thing to beat Bruno with, but it is also a weird thing to excuse his performance, that had many problematic aspects apart from this one, by acting as if he was given an impossible task from the get go.

 

[romufc]

While I agree that this issue isn't just on Bruno, he also shouldn't be the one deciding how to deal with it. And that is what it looked like. If he is leaving central areas he is the one leaving Casemiro (of all people) isolated. What is worse - leaving space in the center or giving Tottenham more space out wide. You are right, Spurs found an issue in our setup and we didn't adapt but some issues just cant be decided on a player level - Amorim would have been the one to find a solution to the issue. It is a weird thing to beat Bruno with, but it is also a weird thing to excuse his performance, that had many problematic aspects apart from this one, by acting as if he was given an impossible task from the get go.

I get that, so you want a midfielder to see danger and not do anything about it... just let your team mate be 3 v 1 Maddison, Son, Spence v Dalot? Just because you dont want to look like you are leaving your position?

When will other players start taking responsibility.. if Zirkzee was RAM and Bruno consistently went out there... he should drop into Brunos position and cover him/

Its like saying... if you are playing as CB and the RB isn't there... the CB shouldn't cover because its the manager who played him in CB?

 

[Craig Ward]

I get that, so you want a midfielder to see danger and not do anything about it... just let your team mate be 3 v 1 Maddison, Son, Spence v Dalot? Just because you dont want to look like you are leaving your position?

When will other players start taking responsibility.. if Zirkzee was RAM and Bruno consistently went out there... he should drop into Brunos position and cover him/

Its like saying... if you are playing as CB and the RB isn't there... the CB shouldn't cover because its the manager who played him in CB?

3v1 is a bit dramatic isn't it.

Maddison is a central player - we had two central midfielders.

Spence is an attacking full back - we also had one to match him up.

Son is a left forward who cuts in - we have three defenders, so the RCB can deal with this.

People should take responsibility - but that comes with being able to read the game and actually do what the manager and coaching team want you to do. I can assure you, Bruno's pre game talk wouldn't have read "Just run about, go wherever you feel like, roam around, don't worry about staying in your actual position in the team - your fine to wander into whatever area of the pitch you deem fit at any given moment"

Bruno's performance was not one you can defend. He was awful

As were a lot of others - but we need to stop pretending that Bruno is beyond criticism and the sooner we realise he isn't a very good central midfielder the better

 

[Craig Ward]

So you are saying you didn't watch the game. Thank you.

It clearly was not Zirkzee and you know this as he was almost playing behind Rasmus.

I dont get it... the LAM and RAM generally track the full backs.. Garnacho was doing it.

Garnacho was also playing behind Rasmus - as per the formation.

So you want 2 of our number 10's to defend wide? What about the three central defenders and the wing backs? Is 5 defenders and two deep midfielders not enough for you? Should Rasmus drop in as a 4th CB just to completely ensure we have no attackers whatsoever?

 

[youngrell]

3v1 is a bit dramatic isn't it.

Maddison is a central player - we had two central midfielders.

Spence is an attacking full back - we also had one to match him up.

Son is a left forward who cuts in - we have three defenders, so the RCB can deal with this.

People should take responsibility - but that comes with being able to read the game and actually do what the manager and coaching team want you to do. I can assure you, Bruno's pre game talk wouldn't have read "Just run about, go wherever you feel like, roam around, don't worry about staying in your actual position in the team - your fine to wander into whatever area of the pitch you deem fit at any given moment"

Bruno's performance was not one you can defend. He was awful

As were a lot of others - but we need to stop pretending that Bruno is beyond criticism and the sooner we realise he isn't a very good central midfielder the better

It was pretty clear to see, particularly in the first half, that Bruno was asked to cover the right channel. Our shape was more like a 5-1-3-1 yesterday, and it was not because of a lack of discipline from Bruno, it was clearly tactical to allow Zirzkee to stay more central.

Bruno looked completely out of sorts in the first half, looked tired, but having seen the change in the second he was probably playing within himself a bit because he had this tactical setup to manage.

 

[romufc]

Garnacho was also playing behind Rasmus - as per the formation.

So you want 2 of our number 10's to defend wide? What about the three central defenders and the wing backs? Is 5 defenders and two deep midfielders not enough for you? Should Rasmus drop in as a 4th CB just to completely ensure we have no attackers whatsoever?

This is the thing... this is what most teams do when they defend... drop into shape, making it hard for teams to break them down...

You want 3 upfront to mark the CB's and 8 defending.

90% of successful teams defend with 10/11 men.. not just 8