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Not sure where I’d start him considering we have no ideal partner for Ugarte and we’re completely toothless up top without him further forward

Ugarte himself is a weird specialist player like Fred. Who's the ideal partner for him? In a 4-3-3 I could see a Bruno - Ugarte - DM type midfield working fine. But in this 5 ATB system that's just too many defensive players (imagine 3 CBs + two defensive minded players in Ugarte and a DM).

Bruno can't be everywhere so one of the players at #10 (Zirkzee, Mainoo, Garnacho) need to take on the responsibility to make something happen.
 
Here is the thing, if he was good and high quality ala Scholes, Rooney heck even Carrick who I wasn't sold on, but he was decent, I would be praising him.
Look, you listed some of the best players to wear the United shirt. You don't have to be that good to be considered a good footballer. I agree with you to a degree, I think, he gets praised a little too much. But you sound as if 100% of the praise is undeserved and that just feels odd. You can't deny that he is has a very good workrate and that he has great vision and can execute great passes in no time. It is hit and miss, not everything comes off but there is no point acting as if he has no qualities.
But he isn't, he really isn't that good, at least not at this point. He should be no where near wearing the armband.
See above and I don't know how those things are connected. I agree to the extent, that I don't think, he looks suited to the captain role. But there are reports from within the team, that he does a good job so it certainly isn't a surething. Also there are no real alternatives in our team.
However, this is not a championship team, so a slightly above avg player gets unlimited praise. Wrong approach. I will always be the voice of reason, you hit the game bud, he was invisible, again. 2-1 against Leicester, embarrassing. Where was the Captain to pull this one out, instead it was Maguire?
This is odd. Bruno wasn't visible in first half because Leicester made sure, that he was disconnected and couldn't receive passes. And it is especially odd, that you bring up Maguire in this context who also didn't have a great game but rather a decent-to-good performance that looks brighter due to the late goal, a moment in a game. The exact thing that you complained about when it was about Bruno (to a degree, rightfully so).

Don't get me wrong, post whatever you want, thats fine, I just want you to know that there isn't anybody in this thread who'd consider you a "voice of reason" based on your posts. Mate, I am a longtime Bruno critic, started before it was edgy to be - and even I think you are overdoing it. What you are doing is creating a new "bad reference" and now all his critics will be lumped together with things you say.
Maybe not so bad when he wore the armband? It drives me nuts when people misalign things. The fact is a good player on an horrible team is an avg player on a good team. Right now, as much as it hurts, we are a horrible team, bottom half, which makes Bruno an avg player in the grand scheme.
So the Galacticos were good but not galactic because they didn't have the biggest success in CL? Because this is your logic applied to the past. Again, I can see your point, when you listen to some fans talk about our players, you'd think, what a great team we must be, with this and that world class player, and this and that excellent young talent. Some of the praise is hollow, no doubt. But it is a team sport, no player will shine when the rest of the team is struggling. And we do struggle right now, which makes every player look even worse than they actually are. A voice of reason would say that Bruno can be a great player in the right team but that at United, he isn't in a great team, which on the one side has helped him to show his strength by having the freedom to collect his stats but on the other also shows a lot of his weaknesses when the team isn't able to balance out his reckless tendencies.

He's the next weakest link (in the bigger picture) now Marcus has gone.
I don't think, thats correct at all. That would only be the case when everything that is an issue right now, is connected to him. And thats not the case. We have big issues with the wingbacks, not Brunos fault. We have issues with mostly all attackers who simply don't score, also not just Brunos faults.

Such statements will only set you up for disappointment. We are a lot of years behind in terms of how to play a modern way of football, getting rid of Bruno won't rectify that in an instant. We have to plan the team of the future and he shouldn't be any kind of hindrance block in terms of what roles or profiles we look for but one player leaving isn't automatically making everybody else step up. Especially when the talent around him is at least as questionable than Brunos talent itself.
 
Great player. Some excellent passes yesterday once we had our mojo back in the 60th minute. Instrumental in diving is forward.
 
He should be taken off corners full stop. If he doesn’t hit the first defender he’s helping the other team start an attack

the more serious problem is that our supposedly "professional" coaching team can't even see what we casual john doe fans see.
 
the more serious problem is that our supposedly "professional" coaching team can't even see what we casual john doe fans see.
In your opinion based on who was on the field last night, who should be taking the left sided corners for an in-swinging delivery?

I’m sure the coaches see the problems, but Bruno is the best option for who we have. Strange that casual John Doe “fans” can’t see that.
 
Ugarte himself is a weird specialist player like Fred. Who's the ideal partner for him? In a 4-3-3 I could see a Bruno - Ugarte - DM type midfield working fine. But in this 5 ATB system that's just too many defensive players (imagine 3 CBs + two defensive minded players in Ugarte and a DM).

Bruno can't be everywhere so one of the players at #10 (Zirkzee, Mainoo, Garnacho) need to take on the responsibility to make something happen.
Amorim wants to build a 3D puzzle but ignores the fact he only has the pieces for a 2D puzzle.
 
Bruno id a "10" not an "8", Time to stop the experiment. Collyear or Moorhouse should be there alongside Ugarte
 
9G+12A this season so far, leads the team in both metrics.

In terms of goal contributions per 90, he is on par with Amad (both at 145min per G/A) and just ahead of Garnacho (150min per G/A)
 
Our biggest problem with Bruno is there’s not two of him. He was pretty rubbish last night but we need him (or someone who is able) getting the ball forward from CM and we also need him (or another) who is willing to find the space and ask for the ball at AM.

A player in either of those positions willing to match what he does would make a world of difference to our attacking capabilities.

Everyone looked like they were running through treacle last night, though. Is it pressure or lack of sharpness? Either way we looked so off the pace.
 
In your opinion based on who was on the field last night, who should be taking the left sided corners for an in-swinging delivery?

I’m sure the coaches see the problems, but Bruno is the best option for who we have. Strange that casual John Doe “fans” can’t see that.

bruno definitely take the left sided corners for the purpose of in-swinging delivery, since he takes lots of right sided corners as well!

yes, a terrible corner taker being our best corner taker, that's why we are 13th
 
I think he’s been brilliant recently, but Leicester knew that and doubled him out the game for the first 60 minutes. He couldn’t get on the ball (which is very rare) and when he can’t get it, it means we have zero creativity. Once we started to push up and pin them back he was excellent again. Some great passes and his game intelligence to just keep finding Garnacho (who was the real game changer). He’s one of the few bright sparks of the Amorim era for me. Top player.
 
Bruno’s corners were bad last night? Which game were we watching? His floated a quality ball in for it to be attacked in the danger area.

His free kick also showed his quality.
 
bruno definitely take the left sided corners for the purpose of in-swinging delivery, since he takes lots of right sided corners as well!

yes, a terrible corner taker being our best corner taker, that's why we are 13th
TBF, Eriksen usually takes them when he’s on the field, so it’s not like Bruno isn’t stepping aside when there’s a better option. Also Amad has taken over on the right.

Everyone was complaining he couldn’t beat the first defender all season, and recently he has been putting it high and on the keeper and we’re still not happy.
 
Bruno has started really frustrating me now. Just by his general attitude. Watching a game he went to take a corner, changed his mind, shout Amad and just pointed to the corner whilst not looking at him and walked away nonchalantly.

Yesterday he made some bad passes and decisions which ik happens but then went in a trade at players.

But the most annoying thing is his indiscipline. We play out from the back and he has a position. Positions which should be a triangle so yoro gets ball off Onana, gets pressed, passes out to Dalot, who gets pressed and when Kobbie is in MF plays it in to Kobbie. Ball then gets recycles either forward or back again.

With Bruno it's Onana to Yoro to Dalot but no ball on on the inside because feck knows where Bruno will be. Usually then meaning a ball back or just booted forward.

That's not to say he is a bad player. He is good on he ball. Can make some wonderful passes, never injured, runs all day etc. But leaves big gaps which we suffer from
 
Just gonna get a few things out on Bruno...

1. Anyone noticed how whenever our players have the ball he is constantly pointing at where they should pass the ball. Instead of running into open positions to receive passes from our cb or goalkeeper (which is what a cm should be doing), he just stands in one spot and points. Its honestly one of the most aggravating things I have ever seen. Does he think his teammates are idiots who constantly need his on field coaching? He should maybe try concentrate on what he should be doing on the pitch rather than constantly trying to coach other players

2. Its genuinely embarassing how easy he is to run pass by the opposition. For one, he lacks athleticim to have any meaningful ball retention as a cm, and in addition to this he is actually a lazy player when it comes to doing the dirty work the cm role comes with. While he does love to press the oppositions cb with his hero runs, he is actually lazy when it comes to tracking runners or running back to stop counters. His laziness and lack of athleticism leads to Ugarte basically running a one man midfield.

In the past, people have hated on previous United managers for playing two defensive midfielders, most notable the Fred Mctominay pairing. But I genuinely think OGS was on to something with this. It is imo not possible for a midfield to function with bruno unless it has two very defensive minded midfielders to cover for his lack of athleticism and defensive coverage. What makes this an issue is that he is no lionel messi or anywhere near that level of good to have a teams entire tactics catered to him.
 
Look, you listed some of the best players to wear the United shirt. You don't have to be that good to be considered a good footballer. I agree with you to a degree, I think, he gets praised a little too much. But you sound as if 100% of the praise is undeserved and that just feels odd. You can't deny that he is has a very good workrate and that he has great vision and can execute great passes in no time. It is hit and miss, not everything comes off but there is no point acting as if he has no qualities.

See above and I don't know how those things are connected. I agree to the extent, that I don't think, he looks suited to the captain role. But there are reports from within the team, that he does a good job so it certainly isn't a surething. Also there are no real alternatives in our team.

This is odd. Bruno wasn't visible in first half because Leicester made sure, that he was disconnected and couldn't receive passes. And it is especially odd, that you bring up Maguire in this context who also didn't have a great game but rather a decent-to-good performance that looks brighter due to the late goal, a moment in a game. The exact thing that you complained about when it was about Bruno (to a degree, rightfully so).

Don't get me wrong, post whatever you want, thats fine, I just want you to know that there isn't anybody in this thread who'd consider you a "voice of reason" based on your posts. Mate, I am a longtime Bruno critic, started before it was edgy to be - and even I think you are overdoing it. What you are doing is creating a new "bad reference" and now all his critics will be lumped together with things you say.

So the Galacticos were good but not galactic because they didn't have the biggest success in CL? Because this is your logic applied to the past. Again, I can see your point, when you listen to some fans talk about our players, you'd think, what a great team we must be, with this and that world class player, and this and that excellent young talent. Some of the praise is hollow, no doubt. But it is a team sport, no player will shine when the rest of the team is struggling. And we do struggle right now, which makes every player look even worse than they actually are. A voice of reason would say that Bruno can be a great player in the right team but that at United, he isn't in a great team, which on the one side has helped him to show his strength by having the freedom to collect his stats but on the other also shows a lot of his weaknesses when the team isn't able to balance out his reckless tendencies.


I don't think, thats correct at all. That would only be the case when everything that is an issue right now, is connected to him. And thats not the case. We have big issues with the wingbacks, not Brunos fault. We have issues with mostly all attackers who simply don't score, also not just Brunos faults.

Such statements will only set you up for disappointment. We are a lot of years behind in terms of how to play a modern way of football, getting rid of Bruno won't rectify that in an instant. We have to plan the team of the future and he shouldn't be any kind of hindrance block in terms of what roles or profiles we look for but one player leaving isn't automatically making everybody else step up. Especially when the talent around him is at least as questionable than Brunos talent itself.
Hold on a second, work rate, what does that even mean? Running around a lot without impact? Not sure I really buy that, people talk about it all the time with Bruno, however not really sure they have any idea on how to measure work rate. Doesn't have the highest IQ either, vision perhaps, but his passes are brutal, 90% are 50/50 passes and a good % are basically to no one. Just to add, when was the last time Bruno beat someone 1v1? He tends to panic when he is pressured.

Second, reports within the team? If you have ever played sports to a decent level, you never diss a teammate in public. The manager or coach can, but you keep your feelings to yourself.

As to Bruno being on a poor team, therefore being a poor player because of the team? Seen a lot good players on poor teams be good players. More to the point, he was avg with his national team the last 2 tourneys. Sorry bud, doesn't hold water. A good player is a good player, Bruno was decent when he first arrived, but his play has been like a decline bench over last few yrs. Bruno peaked 2-3 yrs ago, he will never play at that level again. He lacks speed, avg passing, not physical at all, (please do not count the selfish red cards) the guy just ain't that good.

He would have had trouble making the starting 11 with SAF teams. More to the point, not really sure SAF would have brought him in. In fact I would cite Anderson as being a better player and he was a bit player for the most part back in the day.
 
We have been atrocious in midfield for nearly 5 years. One common denominator. Bruno. Need him out and then build a style of play that’s tactically disciplined. Nothing against him he’s talented, works hard gave us some wonderful moments but we must sell him in the summer.
 
Hold on a second, work rate, what does that even mean? Running around a lot without impact? Not sure I really buy that, people talk about it all the time with Bruno, however not really sure they have any idea on how to measure work rate. Doesn't have the highest IQ either, vision perhaps, but his passes are brutal, 90% are 50/50 passes and a good % are basically to no one. Just to add, when was the last time Bruno beat someone 1v1? He tends to panic when he is pressured.

Second, reports within the team? If you have ever played sports to a decent level, you never diss a teammate in public. The manager or coach can, but you keep your feelings to yourself.

As to Bruno being on a poor team, therefore being a poor player because of the team? Seen a lot good players on poor teams be good players. More to the point, he was avg with his national team the last 2 tourneys. Sorry bud, doesn't hold water. A good player is a good player, Bruno was decent when he first arrived, but his play has been like a decline bench over last few yrs. Bruno peaked 2-3 yrs ago, he will never play at that level again. He lacks speed, avg passing, not physical at all, (please do not count the selfish red cards) the guy just ain't that good.

He would have had trouble making the starting 11 with SAF teams. More to the point, not really sure SAF would have brought him in. In fact I would cite Anderson as being a better player and he was a bit player for the most part back in the day.
Someone forgot to tell Roy Keane that
 
Hold on a second, work rate, what does that even mean? Running around a lot without impact? Not sure I really buy that, people talk about it all the time with Bruno, however not really sure they have any idea on how to measure work rate. Doesn't have the highest IQ either, vision perhaps, but his passes are brutal, 90% are 50/50 passes and a good % are basically to no one.
He has influence, even Amorim came out talking about him and how he is always available for his team mates. Again, I have already stated, that his defensive contribution is overstated but not because he doesn't try. And his contribution is way higher than players with comparable roles in other teams - otherwise he wouldn't be up there in the percentiles. Also you don't necessarily have to have an incredible football IQ - when your instincts are good and you have football intelligence. More than enough examples out there of players who seem dumb as rocks when they open their mouth but appear very capable operating on a pitch. His pass completion is 75% so lets not act as if every completed pass is somewhat of a suprise. And while he tends to rush vertical passes, he also is the only one courageous enough to try to find runners.

I surely isn't that phenom some of his fans depict him (or how it feels how they depict him) but you are just as much in the hyperbole spectrum as the fans who claim a legend status for him. Just on the other side of the spectrum.
Just to add, when was the last time Bruno beat someone 1v1? He tends to panic when he is pressured.
When was the last time Hojlund popped up with a crucial tackle on the edge of the penalty box? When was the last time Onana came up with an assist. Players have different qualities and not every player is great in take ons. Bruno has shown that he doesn't have to be to influence games. For a midfield role, it would be good to have those qualities, no question about that but it isn't a stick to beat him with.

Second, reports within the team? If you have ever played sports to a decent level, you never diss a teammate in public. The manager or coach can, but you keep your feelings to yourself.
Team mates took the time to single him and his contributions to the team atmosphere out. You are right, you shouldn't diss a team mate in public but also you aren't going to be forced to praise a team mate. As I said in the previous post, the player has multiple facets, some are good and some aren't.

As to Bruno being on a poor team, therefore being a poor player because of the team? Seen a lot good players on poor teams be good players. More to the point, he was avg with his national team the last 2 tourneys. Sorry bud, doesn't hold water. A good player is a good player, Bruno was decent when he first arrived, but his play has been like a decline bench over last few yrs. Bruno peaked 2-3 yrs ago, he will never play at that level again. He lacks speed, avg passing, not physical at all, (please do not count the selfish red cards) the guy just ain't that good.
Ok. It has been noted.

He would have had trouble making the starting 11 with SAF teams. More to the point, not really sure SAF would have brought him in. In fact I would cite Anderson as being a better player and he was a bit player for the most part back in the day.
You can, of course. I am sure it will work wonders for your voice of reason claim.
 
He wasn't done, he still had some go in him. Actually was still a better player than Bruno is today even with his injuries. You knew that right, ha!
He was done as top level player, he retired 6 months after leaving United for Celtic, don't let your dislike of Bruno get in the way of reality, Keane was a great player and a great captain, and he guess what, he did diss on his team mates in public, that's one of the main reasons he left when he did
 
Roy Keane got 13 red cards in the 90's and early 2000's. With his style and temper can you imagine how many it would have been in the modern game if he didn't make huge adjustments? :lol:

Nothing but love for the man, but United fans need to learn that there are different ways to lead. Keane is not the one and only blueprint.

Bruno is by all accounts an excellent leader off the pitch and this is honestly 90% of the gig. I also think that he is a good leader on the pitch mind you, although I would like to see less diving. But that is because I just don't like diving in general. It has unfortunately become common, long before Bruno started playing professionally. I don't think the diving makes him a bad leader. And his complaining? Keane did much of the same and he's a legend so..
 
For context;

Roy keane left 2005, this was the same year:

As a captain I think was the best I've seen for Utd.

Absolutely brilliant captain and a legend but he left at the right time. He was on the way down and like others have said he retired not long afterwards.
 
He was done as top level player, he retired 6 months after leaving United for Celtic, don't let your dislike of Bruno get in the way of reality, Keane was a great player and a great captain, and he guess what, he did diss on his team mates in public, that's one of the main reasons he left when he did
I think that was my first comment. Thanks for the cyclical post.
 
Roy Keane got 13 red cards in the 90's and early 2000's. With his style and temper can you imagine how many it would have been in the modern game if he didn't make huge adjustments? :lol:

Nothing but love for the man, but United fans need to learn that there are different ways to lead. Keane is not the one and only blueprint.

Bruno is by all accounts an excellent leader off the pitch and this is honestly 90% of the gig. I also think that he is a good leader on the pitch mind you, although I would like to see less diving. But that is because I just don't like diving in general. It has unfortunately become common, long before Bruno started playing professionally. I don't think the diving makes him a bad leader. And his complaining? Keane did much of the same and he's a legend so..
Roy Keane won double in 94/96. Treble in 99…3 league titles in a row and was our best player in a squad of great players.

As Manchester United captains is up there with best ever…Robson, Cantona, Charlton.

Bruno could argue any place bottom 3. I’d have Valencia, Maguire, Rooney, Carrick as disappointing captains in comparison to above but pick all of them over Bruno every day of the weeks.

Not shock you think he is good leader on pitch and that his ‘only downfall’ is everyone else fault.