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Oh that's right, they left because they were absolute rubbish.
"Should have listened to the scouts"
Hilariously bad take number 708 in this thread
"Should have listened to the scouts"
Hilariously bad take number 708 in this thread
We will have to agree to (strongly) disagree on that.
I'd like you to tell me any aspect of the games of Antony or Sancho, that is better than Willian's. The only 'thing' they have in their favour is age.
No convenient niggle to get out of NT games? Take a rest Bruno. You need it.
And avoid playing the "pass the ball to Cristiano" philosophy. He will need to be detoxed after he comes back.
And avoid playing the "pass the ball to Cristiano" philosophy. He will need to be detoxed after he comes back.
Most likely not, although his body may feel fine and like he can keep up with this crazy pace I don't think his mind is able to keep up with it, mental fatigue has been very evident recently, would be great news if he gets the 2 weeks rest.
To be fair at the time they had amazing streak of successes in possesion-perfect players like AWB, Maguire and Fred.
Oh that's right, they left because they were absolute rubbish.
"Should have listened to the scouts"
Hilariously bad take number 708 in this thread
Aaaaaaaand number 709 immediately below this post.
So because they've been wrong before does it mean they can never be right? We're having that discussion here. Right now. Bruno being careless with the ball isn't something people have dreamt up. It's a fact.
The only point of contention is can we get to a higher level with him and/or if whatever else people think he offers is worth it/can't be offered by a player that is more press resistant and more cultured on the ball.
Jesus H Christ
That's exactly what he does. Some of the passes he attempts can only be described as "Inshallah".
I mean, these are quotes from the guy:
"I will lose a lot of balls, I will miss a lot of passes but I know when I find my strikers and wingers, they will score."
"Sometimes I know the pass is difficult or the chance to get in is not quite there, but I want to respect the movement of my strikers"
as I said - spray and pray
You can talk about his whinging and negative body language but his performance level and his contribution in almost every game is nothing less than outstanding.
Many years ago Lawler was a decent enough head scout. However he and the guy who came with van Gaal has been responsible for some terrible transfers. The fact Bruno has been our best outfield player post Fergie and they recommended against is all you need to know tbh.
The idea that we could reach a higher level with someone else would depend on who that player was. I'd suggest that the few players who you could say without a doubt are better than Bruno, are 100% unattainable. Basically De Bruyne.
I'd also suggest that adding a proper striker, the sort that I don't think we have had during Bruno's time, would his game to another level. As an example (not a preference), let's say we buy Kane in the summer and play him as an out and out striker. I'm pretty sure we'd see Bruno's game reach a new level.
There's also the matter of his supporting cast. As I say in an earlier post, for most of his time here he's had a pair of clowns alongside him in midfield. Whether that was Pogba, McTominay or Fred. The likes of De Bruyne and even Odegaard looking at this season, haven't had this issue. Finally this season Bruno's had at least some games with capable, quality alongside him. With that he's basically shown himself to be the 2nd best of his type in the league, behind the guy who has that Norwegian fella to aim for.
Which brings me back to the "imagine he had a proper striker" point.
Football's a subjective game and you're entitled to your opinion although a consequence of expressing it is that, sometimes, people may assume you're a bit odd.
This is the worst take I have ever heard.
Lets compare a CB v CAM passing success
No worse than comparing McTominay and Bruno considering their wildly different roles.
Martinez makes more forward passes in a game than McTominay in a season.
Really, hasn't Bruno played a deeper role last few games?
Do you expect a CAM to have 90% pass accuracy then?
When they realise Kev de ball to Haaland has a lower pass completion rate than pass and spray Fernandes.
I dont have a problem with Bruno spraying half his passes out to row z when he does it in the opponents third. Same as I dont mind wingers getting tackled trying to carry the ball and take players on.
The problem is when we play good teams, we defend as a unit, Bruno often ends up on the edge of our box and he is a disaster there with the ball under pressure.
Yes, I agree with that. Bruno under pressure in our own defending third is a problem. I 100% agree with you on that.
I have had a quick look on our passing % this season, no United player has over 87% which is Licha.
I compared to Arsenal and City where the CB's are both 90% pass accuracy. Partey is 87% compared to 77% Casemiro. Fred is 80% Eriksen is 82% whereas Xhaka is 86%
This is not just a Bruno problem, its a teamwide problem. Our wingers, full backs, GK, ST are all 4/5% short of what they need to be when it comes to passing stats.
That's all good and all, but my reply to you was more about addressing the shameless attempt at dismissing the salient points the scouts raised - points that are leading the discussion in this thread right now - because they had been wrong previously. Again, people aren't just sitting at home dreaming up these scenarios of Bruno Fernandes giving the ball away cheaply or having questionable decision-making.
I know where I stand on the can we become a better team/reach a higher level with a player that's more press resistant and not as reckless on the ball conversation. In regards to best outfield player - I find Martinez and Casemiro to be our most transformative outfield players post Ferguson, although I'll concede they've not been here nowhere near as long.
Hopefully, he can become better on the aspects of his game that contribute to United being under pressure in games, albeit I'm not sure how likely that is since he'll be 29 at the start of the next season. Some players are late bloomers/get better with time though.
True, but can't be that odd since it's a view shared by many - this thread is evidence - and apparently by Bruno Fernandes himself:
"I will lose a lot of balls, I will miss a lot of passes but I know when I find my strikers and wingers, they will score."
"Sometimes I know the pass is difficult or the chance to get in is not quite there, but I want to respect the movement of my strikers"
Yes because they are totally different players. Someone like James Maddison is more like for like. And he’s not as good as Bruno but would be a very good rotation option.
I think you’d be surprised.
I think roaming 10s are possession negative. So id rather a 3 man midfield which is why I said Bellingham.
We don’t need another 10. There dying currently anyway.
I get that some people don't like the role he plays and he gets a lot of criticism but he's right up there with Rashford, Casemiro, Martinez and Varane as one of our best performers this season for me. 10 goals, 10 assists, some insane performances in terms of workrate (Liverpool at home for instance). He's having a very good season.
What you are describing is high risk/high reward not spray and pray as you put it. Like I say, these are subjective opinions. There's probably a large number of people who think that the opinions expressed in this thread are ridiculous. I am one of them.
Bruno's numbers with Haaland in the team would destroy KDB's. Not because Bruno is a better player but he just goes for it more than KDB for better or worse
What Ten Hag said after the game about Bruno is going to boil some blood in these parts...
Can you think of any example of us conceding a goal due to a misplaced pass from Bruno this season? Even just one?
I think you’re making this out to be a much bigger issue than it really is. Certainly not as much of an issue as our specialist defensive midfielder having an only very marginally better pass completion rate.
That’s without even considering the obvious upside of having a specialist attacking midfielder with such unusually good defensive stats. It’s far from normal for players as creative as Bruno to put in the same defensive shift that he does.
I'd disagree with this. If ETH tell him to stop the risky passes and play safer he gotta do that. The guy said himself you do what ETH wants or you're out. Imo it's a bit naive to think Bruno is bigger than ETH or he doesn't listen to what ETH says. It's the total opposite I reckon.
Atm imo because both Eriksen and Casemiro are out we basically have no source of creativity bar Bruno. That's why ETH allows him to play more risky passes. Back when Eriksen was available Bruno was a lot less erratic than now.
I thought that too but then Ten Hag never dropped him, it's not possible that he played exactly how he wanted him for 40 or whatever games in a row, because Ten Hag never dropped him even for at least one game(which he could say it was just to rest him if he wanted excuse).
Imo that simply means he's been doing exactly or at least pretty much what ETH has been asking him to. Else he'd be dropped already. It's ETH we're talking about here not Ole.
Aye. Willian has performed in huge games and won loads.
Willian has been better this year than those two, too.
They both have more talent, but Willian is miles clear as of right now.
100%. KdB is the better passer. But until Pep allows him to risk losing the ball and have a 30% pass completion rate for final third balls, Bruno-Haaland at United would see better outcomes.
Having said that… Pep is a genius. KdB does what he asks, and City are incrementally transitioning to a team that risks more.
I’d have that team play low percentage completion rate passes and trust Haaland to make something of them. I would not win anything and be out of a job after 12 games in a row that saw us score 40 and concede 30. Keggy Mk 2.
City will piss the league next year with a record goals total I reckon. Probably losing 6 games and conceding loads.
He’s been brilliant. Him, and the 4 players you mentioned, would walk into City’s team.
He’s also been fit for almost every match.
Most folks have accepted that Ole had limitations. That Bruno carried a whole team in that spell… isn’t his fault. He scored loads and looked incredible because his position was essential to how Ole played.
That he’s adapted to the new managers style, playing in several different positions, is very impressive.
Monumental dickhead and not the guy you want to lead when the going gets tough. But so what? He’s one of the best players in the world in his position and our fans would do well to recognise that.
No, what I'm describing is spray and pray. Guy literally said he attempts passes even when he knows the chance's not there, but eventually he'll find the strikers at some point and they will score. Bruno's playstyle comes down to "feck it, one of these will land on someone eventually". It's OK to be happy with it and/or like it - I mean, it has been effective to some degree, we are third after all and still in all cup competitions with him regularly having goal contributions - I just don't.
Well, that's good for you. I'm not repeatedly quoting members of said number of people to tell them I find their opinions ridiculous, despite me finding them so - either way, I was responding to "odd" - which evidently can't be that odd seeing as it's the current discussion in the thread/share opinion by many. Be at peace
Only Manchester United fans can hate Bruno more than rival fans...sighh.
And how do you expect those stats to look for other players exactly? Here's a per90 from league for this season.
I get it even less now.
He's not the only attacking midfielder we have. There's a reason why he's been covering for every position in front five at some point of this season, while Ten Hag has been more okay with putting other players at the attacking midfielderish positions.
Even if it would be a matter of "we just lack bodies there", then surely an example to easily plug that hole would be someone much more attainable than 150+ million player that is among the generational talents.
So, stopping those routs is the point, but actually checking exactly how those routs happened in the first place obviously isn't?
The "I'm sure I could provide proof, but I don't want to" is not really helping either. In some places it would generally be considered quite a dishonest dodge.
You sure imply a lot of things, while the only "proof" you provide is abstraction and hyperbole.
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But it's literally just an opinion of an anonymous scout without any provided justification that was not even based on his United career. If you ignore the fact that it was said by an authority it would be completely irrelevant and when authority is a key aspect of this, of course people willl mention their abysmal track record.
So these number 10s? Are you talking about Sancho and Weghorst?
I got the same impression that the poster was a City fan. The way he salivates over City players, his constant criticism of Bruno (who's known to be the most hated player by our rival fans), and his admission that he'd much rather City win the league than Arsenal.
Right now, yes. Plus Eriksen before the injury. Although the distinction between number 10, most advanced central midfield, second striker or advanced midfielder is mostly meaningless in this context.
Eitherway there isn’t anyone in the team that can do what Bruno does. Wout just doesn’t count and Sancho isn’t a 10 by nature. If anything with Sabitzer here he can play that role and if Bruno was to take a knock I’d play him there.
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