[Scandi Red]

Bruno is 2nd in the league on the list behind de bruyne on the official Premier league site.

The first thing I'd do as a manager would be to find someone who can run a lot. They don't even need to be footballers, they just need stamina. Then I'd put them in attacking midfield and give them full creative freedom. Any idiot can score, assist and create chances as long as they just are allowed to try. The only reason this doesn't happen more is because other managers don't want to sacrifice possession. But if they were willing to do so, then we'd see another 19 Brunos in the Premier League alone.

Or something.

 

[Borys]

We really need another CAM to rotate with him.

Do we? We could just play 3 man in midfield. I don't think Fred and Sabitzer would do worse than Sabitzer with Bruno for the first 60'. ETH is another manager who doesn't believe in 3 man midfield, what I find bizarre, but he's getting the results with Bruno in the team so I can't really complain.

 

[roonster09]

Do we? We could just play 3 man in midfield. I don't think Fred and Sabitzer would do worse than Sabitzer with Bruno for the first 60'. ETH is another manager who doesn't believe in 3 man midfield, what I find bizarre, but he's getting the results with Bruno in the team so I can't really complain.

Which teams play with 3 pure CMs now a days?

I think it's all about playing as a unit, whether it's 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Bayern, City, Arsenal all play with 2 or 1 CM.

 

[Borys]

Which teams play with 3 pure CMs now a days?

I think it's all about playing as a unit, whether it's 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Bayern, City, Arsenal all play with 2 or 1 CM.

Pretty sure some of them play 3CMs sometimes, for example when the only CDM is missing and CAM is gassed. It doesn't need to be a primary setup, I think if we get another midfielder this summer we can easily play this 4231 system. I certainly don't think Bruno backup is high on priority list.

 

[zaafi]

Hey, you know, if you chuck any player in that position with a freedom in his play he'd have the same numbers...

The fact that you say this sarcastically and not realise there's some truth in it just shows you're biased. Look up the last seasons what players have more or around the same chances as Bruno. The likes of James Maddison, Emiliano Buendia, Mason Mount and Ryan Fraser will be there. How do you feel about these players?

 

[Licha-Vidic]

2nd in chance creation

2nd in key passes

Top 5 in assists

Top 10 in tackles



Even when not playing at his best, will often make one of, if not the most important contribution. Stands up against all his contemporaries.



Can't really take constant barrage of hate towards him seriously to be honest. He literally does what he was bought for and what we pay him for. That said, it's hard to take a fair chunk of our fanbase seriously at all with regard to their opinion on a whole host of players.



What's worse is that often, these players are the ones consistently making the difference, winning the points.

Already Trossard had same assist in Arsenal jersey as Bruno has the whole season. He arrived in Arsenal in January this year.

Trossard doesn't lose so much possession to have 6 assists as Bruno.

Trossard even is not half a player Odergaard is.

I don't understand how our fans salivate on stats when general football play is soo poor.

This Fulham side was made like a league 2 side by Arsenal, yes they didn't have their main man, but it's the same Fulham which had DDG in super human mode. We needed a penalty and 2 red cards to take control of the game. Not even winning it.







Bruno is the Maguire of our midfield. Serious postmortem has to be done about him in the team or else


Yesterday at halftime

He lost possession 18 times.

He had 16 completed passes.



Meaning he lost the ball more times than he completed passes.

Ignore the caption just look at the stats.




We need a more assured midfielder for us to go to the next level. We still a counter attack team or Over the top ball to Rashford. Very predictable.

That's why after all the struggle, Newcastle are just 3 points behind and Arsenal 19 points ahead, this is mainly but us not controlling football matches.

After all is said and done, midfield and striking is the main priority in the summer.

 

[Pat Cat]

Great content well done

Cheers boss, hopefully you can get to my level one day if you work hard

 

[roonster09]

Pretty sure some of them play 3CMs sometimes, for example when the only CDM is missing and CAM is gassed. It doesn't need to be a primary setup, I think if we get another midfielder this summer we can easily play this 4231 system. I certainly don't think Bruno backup is high on priority list.

Do they even have 4-5 CMs to play 3 CM system?

City have Rodri, Gundogan and ever injured Philips, not sure if they have any other CM.

We should sign CM to replace Eriksen, someone who is ball magnet and progress the ball. Eriksen and Bruno can play as 10, or bit beeper depending on how the game is progressing.

To play 3 CMs you need either a CM who is very productive like Lampard, Gerrard or attacking 3 should be goal scoring machines like it was at Barca or Liverpool.

 

[roonster09]

Already Trossard had same assist in Arsenal jersey as Bruno has the whole season. He arrived in Arsenal in January this year.

Trossard doesn't lose so much possession to have 6 assists as Bruno.

Trossard even is not half a player Odergaard is.

I don't understand how our fans salivate on stats when general football play is soo poor.

This Fulham side was made like a league 2 side by Arsenal, yes they didn't have their main man, but it's the same Fulham which had DDG in super human mode. We needed a penalty and 2 red cards to take control of the game. Not even winning it.







Bruno is the Maguire of our midfield. Serious postmortem has to be done about him in the team or else


Yesterday at halftime

He lost possession 18 times.

He had 16 completed passes.



Meaning he lost the ball more times than he completed passes.

Ignore the caption just look at the stats.




We need a more assured midfielder for us to go to the next level. We still a counter attack team or Over the top ball to Rashford. Very predictable.

That's why after all the struggle, Newcastle are just 3 points behind and Arsenal 19 points ahead, this is mainly but us not controlling football matches.

After all is said and done, midfield and striking is the main priority in the summer.

Whoever is the twat running that Twitter should delete it immediately. Looks like his IQ is a threat to the Twitter platform and that takes some effort considering how many mugs use it everyday.

 

[LInkash]

If we had an actual striker maybe Bruno would have more assists.

 

[MadDogg]

Bar one or two passes that actually got us into dangerous areas, he was atrocious while playing #10. Him constantly just giving the ball straight back to the opposition was a big part of how difficult we were finding it to get into the game. He improved a fair bit once dropping a bit deeper but half of that time was against 9 men.

He'll always be fairly loose with possession, but he really does need to get the balance better. There are times where it's absolutely ;right to go for the difficult ball, but not every single time. Although that's not quite right either, as when he's playing poorly he constantly gives away even simple balls.

 

[JagUTD]

Already Trossard had same assist in Arsenal jersey as Bruno has the whole season. He arrived in Arsenal in January this year.

Trossard doesn't lose so much possession to have 6 assists as Bruno.

Trossard even is not half a player Odergaard is.

I don't understand how our fans salivate on stats when general football play is soo poor.

This Fulham side was made like a league 2 side by Arsenal, yes they didn't have their main man, but it's the same Fulham which had DDG in super human mode. We needed a penalty and 2 red cards to take control of the game. Not even winning it.







Bruno is the Maguire of our midfield. Serious postmortem has to be done about him in the team or else


Yesterday at halftime

He lost possession 18 times.

He had 16 completed passes.



Meaning he lost the ball more times than he completed passes.

Ignore the caption just look at the stats.




We need a more assured midfielder for us to go to the next level. We still a counter attack team or Over the top ball to Rashford. Very predictable.

That's why after all the struggle, Newcastle are just 3 points behind and Arsenal 19 points ahead, this is mainly but us not controlling football matches.

After all is said and done, midfield and striking is the main priority in the summer.

The dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, and the bar is so low there's a hole in the barrel...

Some of our fans are nothing short of an embarrassment andI for one am fed up of them.

Just to be clear, I am referring to the tweet.

 

[zaafi]

We should be looking at Florian Wirtz to replace him. Not this summer, but hopefully next.

 

[JagUTD]

We should be looking at Florian Wirtz to replace him. Not this summer, but hopefully next.

You'll be able to vote for him when the all new fan vote system kicks in

 

[zaafi]

You'll be able to vote for him when the all new fan vote system kicks in

So do you disagree? You only want Bruno until he retires for us?

 

[Hammondo]

Which teams play with 3 pure CMs now a days?

I think it's all about playing as a unit, whether it's 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Bayern, City, Arsenal all play with 2 or 1 CM.

I also do not know which teams have AM's that spend so little time in midfield, hes more a second striker than an AM.

 

[elmo]

The first thing I'd do as a manager would be to find someone who can run a lot. They don't even need to be footballers, they just need stamina. Then I'd put them in attacking midfield and give them full creative freedom. Any idiot can score, assist and create chances as long as they just are allowed to try. The only reason this doesn't happen more is because other managers don't want to sacrifice possession. But if they were willing to do so, then we'd see another 19 Brunos in the Premier League alone.

Or something.

You basically describe Mctominay in midfield. Shit isn’t as simple as you’re describing.

 

[Real Name]

The fact that you say this sarcastically and not realise there's some truth in it just shows you're biased. Look up the last seasons what players have more or around the same chances as Bruno. The likes of James Maddison, Emiliano Buendia, Mason Mount and Ryan Fraser will be there. How do you feel about these players?

Pot. Kettle.
Strange you didnt mention De Bruyne or some other of your favorite City players in the post.

 

[Borys]

Do they even have 4-5 CMs to play 3 CM system?

City have Rodri, Gundogan and ever injured Philips, not sure if they have any other CM.

We should sign CM to replace Eriksen, someone who is ball magnet and progress the ball. Eriksen and Bruno can play as 10, or bit beeper depending on how the game is progressing.

To play 3 CMs you need either a CM who is very productive like Lampard, Gerrard or attacking 3 should be goal scoring machines like it was at Barca or Liverpool.

City often play with Rodri, Gundogan and Silva (I am not sure how he's classified but everytime I see him he plays quite deep and doing all the playmaking). Arsenal play with Xhaka, Partey and Odegaard (again, same story). Newcastle play with Longstaff, Willock and Guimarães. Madrid - Camavinga (was Casemiro), Kroos, Modric. Barca - De Jong, Pedri/Gavi, Busquets.

Out of those clubs, which one plays ultra-attacking minded player like Bruno in "midfield 3"?

I also do not know which teams have AM's that spend so little time in midfield, hes more a second striker than an AM.

This.

 

[Jeffthered]

I am increasingly astonished, literally, at some of the comments I see on RedCafe from Man Utd fans, but maybe it highlights how 'fans' now see the game, which is one of ongoing expectation and critique. Bruno Fernandes is and has been a fantastic player for this club, and guess what? He may be absolutely shattered! He looks it, like many players and I personally see him as one of the players of the season, with his work rate and ability to just keep on going, game in, game out, with (much it seems on here...) criticism, and with praise.

I do hope this international break gives some fans the opportunity to take stock and reflect on where we have come from and the role played by Bruno.

The guy is fantastic and how good will he be when we actually have three (let alone four) v good attacking players? Or two more v good midfielders so he may be able to have a rest.

Unreal what I read here sometimes. Unreal.

 

[Real Name]

Already Trossard had same assist in Arsenal jersey as Bruno has the whole season. He arrived in Arsenal in January this year.

Trossard doesn't lose so much possession to have 6 assists as Bruno.

Trossard even is not half a player Odergaard is.

I don't understand how our fans salivate on stats when general football play is soo poor.

This Fulham side was made like a league 2 side by Arsenal, yes they didn't have their main man, but it's the same Fulham which had DDG in super human mode. We needed a penalty and 2 red cards to take control of the game. Not even winning it.







Bruno is the Maguire of our midfield. Serious postmortem has to be done about him in the team or else


Yesterday at halftime

He lost possession 18 times.

He had 16 completed passes.



Meaning he lost the ball more times than he completed passes.

Ignore the caption just look at the stats.




We need a more assured midfielder for us to go to the next level. We still a counter attack team or Over the top ball to Rashford. Very predictable.

That's why after all the struggle, Newcastle are just 3 points behind and Arsenal 19 points ahead, this is mainly but us not controlling football matches.

After all is said and done, midfield and striking is the main priority in the summer.

Haha tweet says worst purchase in club's history.
If its a wum its a great wum, if its not though.
Well it goes hand in hand with some opinions here. Together with 'he's the Maguire of our midfield'.

 

[hobbers]

Which conceded goals in those games were exactly because Bruno didn't get away with it?

I'm sure I could find quite a few goals in all the recent routs that were directly following Bruno giving it away cheaply but that obviously isn't the point.

If we want to stop getting regularly humiliated by City and Pool, and Brighton and others, part of the problem is our woeful ball retention and press resistance, and we know who the worst offender there is. The other part of the problem is the mental frailty of certain players who, when their team are suffering, would rather spend 45 minutes feigning injury and complaining to the ref than actually defending and keeping the scoreline respectable.

 

[Real Name]

Total dogshit

Your post.

 

[Real Name]

I'm sure I could find quite a few goals in all the recent routs that were directly following Bruno giving it away cheaply but that obviously isn't the point.

Well it is a point, you made a claim but dont what to back it up.

 

[zaafi]

Pot. Kettle.
Strange you didnt mention De Bruyne or some other of your favorite City players in the post.

You're not even replying to the post. I'm biased because I acknowledge De Bruyne as a much better player than Bruno? What is it up with fans who can't enjoy other players without being a fan of the team? I love watching De Jong, Gavi, Pedri but I despise Barcelona as a team. I also love watching Vinicius, Modric, Benzema but I don't like Real Madrid. You're impossible to have a debate with on this subject because you will never criticise Bruno regardless of how he plays.

 

[hobbers]

Well it is a point, you made a claim but dont what to back it up.

Nope.

 

[romufc]

I love the people who criticise Bruno for running and that not being enough, passing forward and creating chances is not good.

I remember the time we had Andreas and even to some extent the McTominay criticism that he only passes sideways and backwards. So players get criticised for passing it sideways and Bruno gets criticised for passing forward.

Some people you can never win with.

 

[Offside]

I’m pretty sure when we were in for him in 2019 there was a lot of chat in the media that City and Barca weren’t as keen because of how wasteful he is. We were just so desperate in 2020 so we took a punt - Anybody would have been an upgrade on Pereria/Lingard and he was a massive one.

However, in the long term where our aspirations should be winning the league, he isn’t good enough in my opinion. We need someone technically good enough to retain possession in tight areas.

The reason Arsenal have been able to emerge as title contenders so quickly is because the likes of Odegaard and Saka are much better in this department than the likes of Rashford and Bruno even if they don’t necessarily score or assist more.

Ole’s United used to be criticised as “moments FC” and our attacking system is very much still that today.

 

[Real Name]

Nope.

I'm sure I could find quite a few goals in all the recent routs that were directly following Bruno giving it away cheaply but that obviously isn't the point.

 

[zaafi]

I’m pretty sure when we were in for him in 2019 there was a lot of chat in the media that City and Barca weren’t as keen because of how wasteful he is. We were just so desperate in 2020 so we took a punt - Anybody would have been an upgrade on Pereria/Lingard and he was a massive one.

However, in the long term where our aspirations should be winning the league, he isn’t good enough in my opinion. We need someone technically good enough to retain possession in tight areas.

The reason Arsenal have been able to emerge as title contenders so quickly is because the likes of Odegaard and Saka are much better in this department than the likes of Rashford and Bruno even if they don’t necessarily score or assist more.

Ole’s United used to be criticised as “moments FC” and our attacking system is very much still that today.

Exactly! People's standards has dropped so significantly because of the players we had. Bruno is a great player in some aspects of the game, but ultimately he's someone that needs upgrading if we want to compete with the greatest teams.

 

[Real Name]

You're not even replying to the post. I'm biased because I acknowledge De Bruyne as a much better player than Bruno? What is it up with fans who can't enjoy other players without being a fan of the team? I love watching De Jong, Gavi, Pedri but I despise Barcelona as a team. I also love watching Vinicius, Modric, Benzema but I don't like Real Madrid. You're impossible to have a debate with on this subject because you will never criticise Bruno regardless of how he plays.

Of course I'll criticise Bruno but on the other hand you take criticism of him to the extreme to the point of when someone finds stats which nullify some of your arguments you try to someone changed the subject and wiggle yourself out of the mess you created.
It is a bit ironic you said I'm impossible to have a debate with.

 

[zaafi]

Of course I'll criticise Bruno but on the other hand you take criticism of him to the extreme to the point of when someone finds stats which nullify some of your arguments you try to someone changed the subject and wiggle yourself out of the mess you created.
It is a bit ironic you said I'm impossible to have a debate with.

Hmm, genuinely curious as I don't remember, but what stats have I been countered with that nullify my arguments? Do you mean De Bruyne's similar passing accuracy to Bruno's or how Bruno is third in chance creation in the league?

 

[hobbers]

.

Why are you quoting things out of sequence? My original post didnt claim any link between Bruno being shit in possession with the number of goals we concede. I just said he doesn't get away with his typical shit possession game against good teams.

 

[Real Name]

Why are you quoting things out of sequence? My original post didnt claim any link between Bruno being shit in possession with the number of goals we concede. I just said he doesn't get away with his typical shit possession game against good teams.

Why did you say that you're sure you could find it.

 

[Scottynaldinho]

To sum up, the problem with Bruno is that he creates the most chances in Europe but gives the ball away more than others. I understand both sides of the argument but it's a trade-off I'd happily take.

 

[RuudTom83]

I love Bruno, hope he can pick up 3 trophies this year…he deserves it for basically carrying the burden of creating 90% of United chances for the last 3 seasons.

 

[Real Name]

Hmm, genuinely curious as I don't remember, but what stats have I been countered with that nullify my arguments? Do you mean De Bruyne's similar passing accuracy to Bruno's or how Bruno is third in chance creation in the league?

It was something about De Bruyne, than David Silva, whatever the stats you'll happily skew them to suit your very obvious agenda.

 

[hobbers]

Why did you say that you're sure you could find it.

Because I have a good enough memory to be sure that at least a few of the many goals we conceded vs Liverpool, City, Tottenham, Brighton, Watford etc came after he gave the ball away.

Just as I'm sure many of them came after Maguire howlers. Or after McFred fecked up.

Bruno unfortunately belongs in the same category as Maguire, McTominay and Fred, in the sense that he is another weak link when the ball is at his feet in our own half. It doesn't matter that he loses it a lot in the opponents third, the problems come when he does it in our third.

 

[Member 125398]

The Xbs in this thread is off the charts.

 

[hobbers]

I love the people who criticise Bruno for running and that not being enough, passing forward and creating chances is not good.

I remember the time we had Andreas and even to some extent the McTominay criticism that he only passes sideways and backwards. So players get criticised for passing it sideways and Bruno gets criticised for passing forward.

Some people you can never win with.

Rather than trying to compare two poor possession players with each other, why not compare them with Martinez or Eriksen? Neither of whom get criticised for their passing at all. Because they dont give it away cheaply but also hit a lot of forward passes.