[Fluctuation0161]

As usual? He has 9 goals in 47 games for United Great game today, but it really is expected against Real Betis.

Was it expected when he scored against City and Spurs too? Or his assist against Arsenal? Was it also expected that he would have to play out wide to cover gaps in the squad...

Your post is a joke.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Watch how there will be no mention of ‘fatigue’.

Our main starting 11 are definitely fatigued. I think Eth will need to rotate more heavily next game.

 

[Borys]

Great game but I don't think that deeper position is the way to go. Real Betis was shite off the ball, so Bruno had a lot of time and space but this won't always be the case.

Anyway, he was super efficient today.

 

[Real Name]

As usual? He has 9 goals in 47 games for United Great game today, but it really is expected against Real Betis.

What about assists. Did you look that up or it doesnt suit your agenda.

 

[#07]

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Great game but I don't think that deeper position is the way to go. Real Betis was shite off the ball, so Bruno had a lot of time and space but this won't always be the case.

Anyway, he was super efficient today.

Agreed. But there was also a savinness in his game yesterday. He used the space and the time on the ball he was afforded to make us control the proceedings. He read the game well, he identified that our right side (with AWB on) was winning most of its battles and, on another day, his overall influence (not just assists) could have led to a hat trick from Antony. He also did Fred's job in the midfield because the latter wasn't having the best of games on the ball. It's not about playing deeper, he did things that are actually essential for the #10 role, too. From 45-75, he looked like he couldn't make a wrong decision on the pitch.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Feel like he really misses Eriksen's presence in the team.

 

[romufc]

Great game but I don't think that deeper position is the way to go. Real Betis was shite off the ball, so Bruno had a lot of time and space but this won't always be the case.

Anyway, he was super efficient today.

Its clear to see what EtH wants, he wants a midfielder who can pass to collect the ball from the back. Eriksen normally does this for us, since then with Fred we have struggled and I think Ten Hag wanted that back so he played Bruno there and we saw more control.

He looked really good today, the best I have seen him play in a while, shows character to do that after the week he has had.

 

[Nep77]

Fred plays ahead to press and manmark their most creative CM/DM and has a lot of energy. Bruno needs to be in certain areas, in no 19 or 6 position, whenever he could find a space. It is not set that he plays better deeper.

I am not saying he plays better on deeper role. From team perspective, playing with two 8 and 6 is more balanced for controlling the game than playing with Bruno on no 10 role or roaming everywhere on the field. He was much more disciplined yesterday which is very rare to see in his time here.

 

[André Dominguez]

Sack ETH! Sell Bruno!

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Weirdly he was quite good playing from deep, alongside Cas, he helped move the ball and also managed to create chances

 

[Olecurls99]

Weirdly he was quite good playing from deep, alongside Cas, he helped move the ball and also managed to create chances

I think good players bring out the best bits of other players. McTominay to Casemiro will always improve Bruno even in his dreaded deeper areas.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

He's such a brilliant player, United fans adore a maverick. The claptrap we've heard here and on social media this week is the downside of the Internet giving voice to every idiot with a thumb.

 

[Roux]

Just world class - simple as that.

 

[Rossa]

He's brilliant. He has been brilliant for a long time, but some reason our own fans seem to dislike him. He's a player that gives everything to the club, runs his socks off, never complains, but he has a little more feelings and shows them than your average northern European male, so obviously let's criticise him for that.

That being said, and I think he was great yesterday, there were times when I thought this is the first team I think his feet look heavy. He didn't have the light feet he normally has. He moved around well enough, but it looked like it took more effort.

 

[VivaObertan]

He's brilliant. He has been brilliant for a long time, but some reason our own fans seem to dislike him. He's a player that gives everything to the club, runs his socks off, never complains, but he has a little more feelings and shows them than your average northern European male, so obviously let's criticise him for that.

That being said, and I think he was great yesterday, there were times when I thought this is the first team I think his feet look heavy. He didn't have the light feet he normally has. He moved around well enough, but it looked like it took more effort.

The heavy feet I think applied to Casemiro yesterday too, they're feeling the fixture congestion for sure.

And the match going fans love him, it's just the Internet/media where he gets pelters, undeservedly.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I think good players bring out the best bits of other players. McTominay to Casemiro will always improve Bruno even in his dreaded deeper areas.

Agreed, it felt the ball moved very quickly with them.

 

[B4Keane - Robson]

Very good game last night. Looked a lot more controlled both on the ball and mentally. Felt like he'd been warned to calm it down emotionally which in turn helped him put in a more measured performance.

 

[zaafi]

Was it expected when he scored against City and Spurs too? Or his assist against Arsenal? Was it also expected that he would have to play out wide to cover gaps in the squad...

Your post is a joke.

Spurs? Are you having a laugh mate? His goal against City shouldn't even have stood. It is possible to not be completely biased. Anyway, your point doesn't make sense. If he's as good as you think, of course it is to be expected that he performs in big matches. Your point is literally saying he shouldn't be expected to perform in big matches, and my post is a joke?

 

[zaafi]

What about assists. Did you look that up or it doesnt suit your agenda.

I don't have an agenda. I praise him when he performs good, and criticise him when he doesn't. Overall, I think he's had a good mix of both over the season, but we've been so bad for too many years, people talk about him as if he's David Silva when he scores or assists. It's quite frankly laughable.

And assists? He has 6 assists in 24 full Premier League matches. De Bruyne has twice as many in less minutes. Eriksen has more than Bruno playing from deep, though some are from set-pieces. Andreas Pereira and Alex Iwobi has equally as many. We should expect more from him, and I think most think so as well. His work rate, however, is tremendous and should be applauded (except against Liverpool).

 

[VivaObertan]

I don't have an agenda. I praise him when he performs good, and criticise him when he doesn't. Overall, I think he's had a good mix of both over the season, but we've been so bad for too many years, people talk about him as if he's David Silva when he scores or assists. It's quite frankly laughable.

And assists? He has 6 assists in 24 full Premier League matches. De Bruyne has twice as many in less minutes. Eriksen has more than Bruno playing from deep, though some are from set-pieces. Andreas Pereira and Alex Iwobi has equally as many. We should expect more from him, and I think most think so as well. His work rate, however, is tremendous and should be applauded (except against Liverpool).

Do you think the main reason he gets less assists than De Bruyne is because he's not doing enough individually? Or would it be fair to say that all but one of our front players are shit at finishing and we don't have a striker?

Actually, I don't expect a single thing more from Bruno. From Ole, through to Ralf, and now ETH, he's one of the guys you absolutely cannot accuse of downing tools for the manager or team. Applies himself incredibly well.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Spurs? Are you having a laugh mate? His goal against City shouldn't even have stood. It is possible to not be completely biased. Anyway, your point doesn't make sense. If he's as good as you think, of course it is to be expected that he performs in big matches. Your point is literally saying he shouldn't be expected to perform in big matches, and my post is a joke?

Ha! What rubbish. Smells like a bitter Bertie post.

Also totally ignoring my comment about Bruno being played out of position to cover gaps in the squad.

No amount of smileys will cover up your idiotic posting mate.

 

[zaafi]

Do you think the main reason he gets less assists than De Bruyne is because he's not doing enough individually? Or would it be fair to say that all but one of our front players are shit at finishing and we don't have a striker?

Actually, I don't expect a single thing more from Bruno. From Ole, through to Ralf, and now ETH, he's one of the guys you absolutely cannot accuse of downing tools for the manager or team. Applies himself incredibly well.

I'd say it's a combination of both. He is excellent when teams are actually trying to push us back playing a high defensive line which allows him to put players through on the keeper when we counter, but there are plenty of games where he's not creative enough against defensive teams that are happy with a draw. He's not a good dribbler, although he has his moments where he somehow gets out of pressure, and his technique is not good enough to play like Ødegaard and David Silva, which is why he thrives in the chaotic style rather than the composed and controlled technical aspect of the attacking game. Unlike these players, he needs way more space to actually create chances, but when he gets it, you can bet your house he'll make something out of it.

 

[Rossa]

The heavy feet I think applied to Casemiro yesterday too, they're feeling the fixture congestion for sure.

And the match going fans love him, it's just the Internet/media where he gets pelters, undeservedly.

True about Casemiro - he looks a little heavy legged for sure. Thing is, we don't really have a replacement for him. That should be a priority this summer - get a young DM that can relieve Casemiro in certain matches and can learn from the very best going forwards.

Good to hear about match going fans. I think Bruno is brilliant, but there is a narrative written about him for sure in the media.

 

[Rossa]

Spurs? Are you having a laugh mate? His goal against City shouldn't even have stood. It is possible to not be completely biased. Anyway, your point doesn't make sense. If he's as good as you think, of course it is to be expected that he performs in big matches. Your point is literally saying he shouldn't be expected to perform in big matches, and my post is a joke?

When you argue about goals that shouldn't have counted, or the lack of assists, do you then also take into consideration who is on the end of the assists? There's a bit of a difference between assisting Wout Weghorst and Erling Braut Haaland. I also cannot think of anyone after a season has ended talked about "Rashford may have scored 37 goals, but only 32 should have counted, and out of those, 6 were clearly goalie mistakes, so all in all not that impressive." If that was the case, you would have to remove 3/4 of Lampard's goals.

Bruno still creates more chances than pretty much anyone, doesn't he? I agree that I would like to see better numbers for him, but that will come. The criticism he gets from our own fans is borderline disgusting.

 

[zaafi]

Ha! What rubbish.

Also totally ignoring my comment about Bruno being played out of position to cover gaps in the squad.

No amount of smileys will cover up your idiotic posting mate.

Idiotic posting? Sorry, but you're acting like a teenager in this thread. I don't think he's good enough, but you do. That's fine, but you really should calm down a bit. You seem way too worked up about this. You replied with "What rubbish" but you don't even argue why it is. Similarly to your point about me ignoring your comment, you did exactly the same thing. Likewise with the smileys.

He is played out of position on paper. If you even bothered to watch the game, he occupies the same space and he has equally as much freedom. He doesn't bring the ball by the sideline and tries to create something from there. He is played there because the manager wants him to play, but that way of setting up is more efficient than Weghorst playing there.

 

[VivaObertan]

I'd say it's a combination of both. He is excellent when teams are actually trying to push us back playing a high defensive line which allows him to put players through on the keeper when we counter, but there are plenty of games where he's not creative enough against defensive teams that are happy with a draw. He's not a good dribbler, although he has his moments where he somehow gets out of pressure, and his technique is not good enough to play like Ødegaard and David Silva, which is why he thrives in the chaotic style rather than the composed and controlled technical aspect of the attacking game. Unlike these players, he needs way more space to actually create chances, but when he gets it, you can bet your house he'll make something out of it.

I believe that Bruno is talented enough to thrive in both setups and there's a false narrative that a team needs to pander to a single style, supporting Bruno, to be effective. He's trusted n a variety of positions and systems for both United and Portugal and has thrived in all of them. Last night he ran the game as a CM against one of the top teams in Spain, as an example, following a month of playing right wing, left wing and behind the striker.

His vision and pass execution are truly world class, as seen against Newcastle, Barcelona, West Ham, Leicester in the past couple of weeks. If Haaland (or another top #9) played for United, we would likely see astronomical output from Bruno in the #10 position.

 

[Real Name]

I don't have an agenda. I praise him when he performs good, and criticise him when he doesn't. Overall, I think he's had a good mix of both over the season, but we've been so bad for too many years, people talk about him as if he's David Silva when he scores or assists. It's quite frankly laughable.

And assists? He has 6 assists in 24 full Premier League matches. De Bruyne has twice as many in less minutes. Eriksen has more than Bruno playing from deep, though some are from set-pieces. Andreas Pereira and Alex Iwobi has equally as many. We should expect more from him, and I think most think so as well. His work rate, however, is tremendous and should be applauded (except against Liverpool).

So for goals you counted 47 games but for assists 26.
Strange.
Every guy who say I dont have an agenda has one.

 

[zaafi]

I believe that Bruno is talented enough to thrive in both setups and there's a false narrative that a team needs to pander to a single style, supporting Bruno, to be effective. He's trusted n a variety of positions and systems for both United and Portugal and has thrived in all of them. Last night he ran the game as a CM against one of the top teams in Spain, as an example, following a month of playing right wing, left wing and behind the striker.

His vision and pass execution are truly world class, as seen against Newcastle, Barcelona, West Ham, Leicester in the past couple of weeks. If Haaland (or another top #9) played for United, we would likely see astronomical output from Bruno in the #10 position.

He hasn't thrived in any position except the number 10, so not sure what you're on about. He is terrible as a CM, so how you've come to the conclusion he ran the game against Real Betis as a CM, I have no idea. He didn't even play as a CM. Real Betis aren't a top team in Spain. They're in 5th playing in a league that is absolutely obliterated. Valencia are in relegation zone (19th), and Sevilla are 17th. Make no mistake, Real Betis drew to Real Madrid not long ago, but they are not a good team, and people who genuinely thought they're in any position to win against United would be scared shitless of any Spanish team due to our previous meetings with these teams.

His vision is world class, his pass execution is absolutely not. Kevin De Bruyne's pass execution is world class, and the two can't be compared. Do you honestly believe he'd have more assists than De Bruyne, who is one of the best creative midfielders the Premier League has ever seen, because we'd have Haaland or Osimhen in the team? I mean, Haaland literally plays in Man City with De Bruyne and he's twice the player.

 

[zaafi]

So for goals you counted 47 games but for assists 26.
Strange.
Every guy who say I dont have an agenda has one.

Okay then, 10 assists in 47 games. Is that supposed to be really impressive or something? That's even statistically worse than how I put it originally.

Edit: It's actually 9, I counted one for Portugal.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I don't have an agenda. I praise him when he performs good, and criticise him when he doesn't. Overall, I think he's had a good mix of both over the season, but we've been so bad for too many years, people talk about him as if he's David Silva when he scores or assists. It's quite frankly laughable.

And assists? He has 6 assists in 24 full Premier League matches. De Bruyne has twice as many in less minutes. Eriksen has more than Bruno playing from deep, though some are from set-pieces. Andreas Pereira and Alex Iwobi has equally as many. We should expect more from him, and I think most think so as well. His work rate, however, is tremendous and should be applauded (except against Liverpool).

Is this the same David Silva who averaged just over 6 goals and 9 assists per season in the PL, playing for the best team in the country?

It's laughable to compare him with Bruno's 10 goals and 8 assists per season, playing for a team that was struggling to make the top 4?

Now how about we compare defensive stats...

 

[Real Name]

Okay then, 10 assists in 47 games. Is that supposed to be really impressive or something? That's even statistically worse than how I put it originally.

Edit: It's actually 9, I counted one for Portugal.

Hes been involved in ton of goals since he came to the club and is instrumental in how we play. Also nobody is saying he'd have more assists then KDB but he'd have more if our goalscoring would have been better. Its how assists work you know, if you assist Haaland there's more chance he'll score (which would then make an assist) than for instance Weghorst.
Also have you mentioned KDB, I didnt see it?

 

[zaafi]

Is this the same David Silva who averaged just over 6 goals and 9 assists per season in the PL, playing for the best team in the country?

It's laughable to compare him with Bruno's 10 goals and 8 assists per season, playing for a team that was struggling to make the top 4?

Now how about we compare defensive stats...

You did not just say Bruno Fernandes is better than David Silva.

 

[VivaObertan]

He hasn't thrived in any position except the number 10, so not sure what you're on about. He is terrible as a CM, so how you've come to the conclusion he ran the game against Real Betis as a CM, I have no idea. He didn't even play as a CM. Real Betis aren't a top team in Spain. They're in 5th playing in a league that is absolutely obliterated. Valencia are in relegation zone (19th), and Sevilla are 17th. Make no mistake, Real Betis drew to Real Madrid not long ago, but they are not a good team, and people who genuinely thought they're in any position to win against United would be scared shitless of any Spanish team due to our previous meetings with these teams.

His vision is world class, his pass execution is absolutely not. Kevin De Bruyne's pass execution is world class, and the two can't be compared. Do you honestly believe he'd have more assists than De Bruyne, who is one of the best creative midfielders the Premier League has ever seen, because we'd have Haaland or Osimhen in the team? I mean, Haaland literally plays in Man City with De Bruyne and he's twice the player.

Eek. Feels like there are a lot of mental gymnastics going on here. Bad everywhere except 10 (top performances from the right wing and last night, rotating into the pivot with Fred - their heatmaps are almost identical), Betis aren't a top team (5th,), can't pass (some of his assists and almost-assists this calendar year alone have been outrageous).

Do I think he'd have more assists than KDB this season if we swapped Weghorst and Haaland? Probably. Do I think he's a better player than KDB? Probably not, but KDB is arguably the best CM of the past decade in the EPL so it's not a disservice to not be at that level.

And going back to your previous post, Bruno has more goals AND assists than Odegaard this season, ignoring that we don't finish our chances and that Bruno is miles better off the ball.

 

[Abraxas]

Strange how I think pretty much every opposition manager would rate him as the man they have to stop in terms of a threat to their chances, whether it be a goal, assist, finding pockets to hurt them. Who do we think a seasoned manager like Pellegrini was worried about last night? Bruno and Rashford... absolutely guaranteed.

Yet our fans yo yo about constantly game to game, talk about never winning a title with him in the team, talk about stripping him of captaincy. Can't see the woods for the trees and all the time the discussion around him seems divided and it's absolutely baffling to me that a guy certainly within our top 2 or 3 best players constantly gets grief that aren't just about critique of a performance, it goes much deeper.

He's absolutely key for us and key for ten Hag.

 

[Real Name]

Bert alert.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You did not just say Bruno Fernandes is better than David Silva.

You really need to read what people say. I was responding to you saying it's "laughable" to compare the two. Which seems even more silly coming from someone who seems intent on judging Bruno by his assists alone. That whole one assist more per season makes the comparison laughable? Really?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Idiotic posting? Sorry, but you're acting like a teenager in this thread. I don't think he's good enough, but you do. That's fine, but you really should calm down a bit. You seem way too worked up about this. You replied with "What rubbish" but you don't even argue why it is. Similarly to your point about me ignoring your comment, you did exactly the same thing. Likewise with the smileys.

He is played out of position on paper. If you even bothered to watch the game, he occupies the same space and he has equally as much freedom. He doesn't bring the ball by the sideline and tries to create something from there. He is played there because the manager wants him to play, but that way of setting up is more efficient than Weghorst playing there.

Pot. Kettle. Mate.

Maybe you should simply read my previous 2 posts which clearly "argue" my point.

Or read this article where the manager clearly states he played him on the right wing against City, as he has done many times since also. Incidentally the same game you said Brunos goal "shouldnt have been allowed", yet he was man of match.

You may think we disagree, I just think you are blinkered with bitter bias.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/bruno-fernandes-man-united-news-25996185

 

[Ludens the Red]

Excellent performance that. He looked really focused. I don’t remember him being a tart even once in the game. It’s an unnecessary distraction and I really hope this is the end of it moving forward.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Bert alert.

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