He even started the 2nd leg league cup game against Forest after we had already comfortably won the 1st leg. ETH hasn’t rested him at all. All other players have been afforded some rest at least.
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Actually, the problem is that ETH is "shoe horning Weghorst". Wout is not good enough as a striker, so where else can he play? Obviously, not on the flangs. The only position he can contribute something (maybe) is in the middle. So, ETH is "shoe horning Weghorst" in the middle, and then everything else follows. Where can he place Bruno? It would be silly to play Bruno as a striker with Wout as AM, so he has been trying Bruno on the right and on the left. And Rashford is the only guy we have who can play as a striker.
This is a mistake by ETH. It may have worked a couple of times, but it is not optimal to play Rashford as a striker and Bruno on the left (or on the right). Both Bruno and Rashford are good players and can contribute in any position, but it is not optimal. It is better if Rashford is on the left and Bruno in the middle. In retrospect, at Anfield, he should have played 4-3-3 with Rashford-Bruno-Antony on the top, and Fred-Casemiro-Sabitzer in the middle.
Why would I need you to do anything for me? I watch a lot more of United than you, I go to Old Trafford, I think it's fair to say I know about United and what is good for United than you do.
This.. in bold.
Why people can't wrap their heads around this is still a mystery.. and in this I will support Ten Hag 100% as through naked eye Bruno has been the weak-link in that midfield.
Also this.
1. I have not questioned Ten Hag anywhere at all. Never will I, because through his eyes I can see he see's what I see in Bruno. A player who can't play in Midfield where you have to controll games + dominate teams.
2. All City, Pool, Arsenal games we beaten them with counter attacking football. Zero control of the game. 30% possession in City/Pool 39% in Arsenal. Only Barca we have over 40%. We know Barca intensity is not EPL levels.
True to it, after going to Etihad, Anfield, Emirates we were blown away in those games. People forget but in Emirates Arsenal were camping in our box for 25 minutes, they had the most touches in box against any team ever.
This is because of having 2 midfielders.
3. If we have no other player better than him for his number as you say it , why is Ten Hag playing Wout there? Why is Ten Hag unsure of Bruno best position? Why?
I will believe Ten Hag more than you, sadly. He see's something that many people don't see it. That's why I'm trying to say in many words.
Again, I will say it, Bruno is the Maguire of our midfield.
We tried even back 3 with Maguire, ( tried wingbacks, having 2 defensive pivots ) as we are trying Bruno is right wing, left wing, next will be false 9 eventually it will come to pass he is a very big passenger in the modern game. He can't play in City/Arsenal/Liverpool team for sure
4. It's not city alone which plays with 3 flat midfielders.
Even the mighty Real where Casemiro won everything he had other 2 guys, look how Arsenal changed after implementing Odergaard, Xaka, Partey midfield.
All conquering City/Liverpool midfield were 3 flat midfielders.
Going forward I believe Ten Hag will deal with Bruno has he dealt with Maguire. A midfield signing during summer then phasing him out next season.
If Wout can take his position why not a 25 year old 'Odergaard' from some club.
Till then we shall have games like the last 2 weeks.
Barca - winning through sheer will.
Westham - on the ropes, then 2 goals after 90 minutes
Newcastle - winning through resolute defending + 39% possession.
Liverpool - on the ropes the thrashing.
I'm 100% convinced Ten Hag will deal with the Bruno conundrum by the summer, and I'm sure he will solve that problem for the betterment of Manchester United.
They’re cooking him:
When you look at that….Wow, I defy any United supporter to defend that @Pogue Mahone @Nou_Camp99 @Ali Dia @romufc
That Performance was by far the most shameful, shameless and selfish performance I’ve witnessed since Neil Webb. Maybe too far to say he should never play for us again but when your captain behaves like that in a huge game it’s absolutely no wonder that we got battered by our biggest rivals @£&#!
You don't support Manchester United. You support Paul Pogba.
Address the Bruno allegations, none of this ad-hominem stuff.
There's a video up there.
Address what? He had a terrible game. As did everyone. It's already been covered.
We've also got a 68% win ratio with him as captain which is fantastic.
Said it before and I'll say it again.. Imagine re-posting Liverpool/rival club twitter accounts posting absolute drivel about our players on here. Serious masochist vibes
I hope ETH shows all these podcasts/articles etc to the team.
As usual the reactions have been extreme.
Time for a reaction.
The stuff that the media and pundits have tried to stick on Bruno since Sunday is bizarre.
The level of coverage is like Bruno was biting and racially abusing people. All perspective has been lost.
I wonder if the people saying and writing this stuff realise how weird they look: Assassinating a guy's character because he played badly in a football game.
The level of coverage is like Bruno was biting and racially abusing people. All perspective has been lost.
I wonder if the people saying and writing this stuff realise how weird they look: Assassinating a guy's character because he played badly in a football game.
Allegations? He had a bad game and attitude against Liverpool in a match where the entire team fecked up. Stop making it sound like he is a fecking criminal.
It's amazing how many people turned out to be body language experts after all.
his performance and leadership was at an unacceptable level on Sunday but
why the feck is this posted here?
why the feck is this posted here?
Arrest him now!!
ETH has shifted Bruno on the wings sometimes because Antony and Sancho especially have been mediocre and Garnacho is too young to play too much.
Also, using Weghorst as a defensive 10, which I really don't agree with because he's such a terrible player, was only to accommodate Rashford as a ST as Wout would press more instead of Rashford.
Are we even allowed to discuss those disgusting allegations before police investigation is over? What is the forum policy?
Being crucified and I’m not convinced its justified.
He is not even my favourite player (I think he shouldn’t be in the starting 11 next season). However the reaction towards him since Liverpool seems unjustified.
He is not even my favourite player (I think he shouldn’t be in the starting 11 next season). However the reaction towards him since Liverpool seems unjustified.
I like Ian Wright. He’s a nice guy and much more intelligent than he’s given credit for. But he’s doing himself no favours there. So the player who was playing on the left side of our attack should be sprinting back to help defend the right flank? Good one.
And we have fans of Manchester United (who surely to feck must know how we set up for that game) feverishly agreeing with him, on the basis they hate one of our own players more than anyone on the opposition team. Pathetic.
Michael Owen though. He’s just a thick cnut.
What do you make of the captain of Manchester United sulking on Liverpool’s half while they attack, watching Trent run off him twice and not bothering to go with him...then running 40 yards to the ref a couple of seconds later. Giving up again when he got skinned by another player and leaving his teammates to deal with it.
Apparently this is all fine but posting videos of him doing this isn’t ?
Literally no other player bar maybe Cantona would’ve been accepted to have acted in this way.
It is perfectly normal to analyse performances. All players (and manager) deserve criticsm/praise after every game. Rating performance in one game and rating a player in general are two different things.
But this, what we do here on Caf, is just insane. Absolutely insane. After one loss/debacle all our players (and manager) are all of sudden shit in general and not good enough.
Bruno who creates, scores, assists, has amazing work rate and is a natural leader is not good enough for "title winning team". De Gea is not modern gk so needs to be replaced, Dalot is shit in defence, Martinez is not elite, Varane and Casemiro will be too old in 5 years, Eriksen is only good for backup, Sancho is flop and needs to be loaned, Fred is dross, Shaw lets crosses too often, all bench options are for championship (well in truth McT is
)....so we need to replace whole squad basically.
And yeah, manager fecked up yesterday so he is also questionable.
But this, what we do here on Caf, is just insane. Absolutely insane. After one loss/debacle all our players (and manager) are all of sudden shit in general and not good enough.
Bruno who creates, scores, assists, has amazing work rate and is a natural leader is not good enough for "title winning team". De Gea is not modern gk so needs to be replaced, Dalot is shit in defence, Martinez is not elite, Varane and Casemiro will be too old in 5 years, Eriksen is only good for backup, Sancho is flop and needs to be loaned, Fred is dross, Shaw lets crosses too often, all bench options are for championship (well in truth McT is
)....so we need to replace whole squad basically.And yeah, manager fecked up yesterday so he is also questionable.
I think once again collectively I read we were out ran again by about 6k against pool. Guessing we couldn’t make them run that the next day as they are all knackered from fixture pile up these days. But it’s pretty clear we lose pretty bad when we do this. Bruno played and acted poorly for me but no worse than anyone else. We need some better players, we need better options on the bench, we don’t need to sell Bruno. If the media coverage pricks him into focussing on what he’s good at ok but it’s been a massive over reaction started by a massive lie.
When it comes down to it, I just think there are better options out there that play number 10 without giving the ball away 9 times out of 10 and give better production than Bruno gives us.
His attitude has always been questionable and the way he goes down like he's been shot is embarrassing. Give the captains armband to Varane and see if it makes a difference.
He's done well for us albeit his goal tally is inflated by penalties but the reality is he's not top level and while it's not our number one priority, if the money is there in the summer we should offload and replace him.
His attitude has always been questionable and the way he goes down like he's been shot is embarrassing. Give the captains armband to Varane and see if it makes a difference.
He's done well for us albeit his goal tally is inflated by penalties but the reality is he's not top level and while it's not our number one priority, if the money is there in the summer we should offload and replace him.
United fans should be defending him from this media onslaught. Not a single player played well for us yesterday. Bruno probably wasn't even our worst player.
The team are shattered after getting good results in a massively congested fixture list, and so called United fans are lining up to share oppo fans bull shite.
Before yesterday didn't we have the best win record in Europe since the WC? And have played the most games ?
The team are shattered after getting good results in a massively congested fixture list, and so called United fans are lining up to share oppo fans bull shite.
Before yesterday didn't we have the best win record in Europe since the WC? And have played the most games ?
Wright rightly obliterates him there.
He was an abject embarrassment in that half. Leaves his team mates in the lurch half a dozen times, but is happy to sprint when the ball is out of play so long as he can whinge at the ref or at the bench or at Rashford.
He was an abject embarrassment in that half. Leaves his team mates in the lurch half a dozen times, but is happy to sprint when the ball is out of play so long as he can whinge at the ref or at the bench or at Rashford.
Wow people are really laying into him here. It's one game, let's move on.
He's available 100% of the time and puts in a shift that you'd expect less flashier players like Park / Fred to put in. He's also one of the best players in the world in transitional / counter attacking moments. I think a majority of the threat we create in counter attacks is because of that Bruno -> Rashford pass. This was true under Ole and it's still true now.
He deserves criticism for the Pool game but let's not go overboard here.
He's available 100% of the time and puts in a shift that you'd expect less flashier players like Park / Fred to put in. He's also one of the best players in the world in transitional / counter attacking moments. I think a majority of the threat we create in counter attacks is because of that Bruno -> Rashford pass. This was true under Ole and it's still true now.
He deserves criticism for the Pool game but let's not go overboard here.
Who ?
This is the kind of post that screams agenda. That kind of hyperbolic nonsense completely takes away from what's a valid discussion.
Even accepting that you exaggerated and we agree he gives the ball away, other than Messi I don't see anyone who has exceptional pass completion/ ball retention and insane production. That's just not possible is it?
The bigger question is if we are better off with a better controlling type of a no. 10?
All the social media garbage about Bruno will be in the bin on Thursday when Old Trafford is chanting his name. However, if I was Bruno I would be tempted to never speak to the English media again.
Good it has been called out all over the media. Frankly, I detest his whining and feigning injury. Shouting at his teammates and telling them where to go as though they are fecking toddlers with no brain!
The opposition players see him throwing a hissy fit and become emboldened to whind him up some more.
Needs to funnel his anger and frustration into giving everything to win the ball back with aggression and determination. Will be far more effective for the team environment and morale.
The opposition players see him throwing a hissy fit and become emboldened to whind him up some more.
Needs to funnel his anger and frustration into giving everything to win the ball back with aggression and determination. Will be far more effective for the team environment and morale.
terrible game for bruno and everyone else. Now get a clip of the other games where he is working his arse off!
We lost the game, got hammered. The media and some fans decided to single out bruno. Again, terrible match, but who in a united shirt played well?
Agreed - this is agenda driven by the media and unfortunately some our supporters are falling for it.
why would I do that when I'm discussing Bruno Fernades' performance in the Liverpool game, in the Bruno Fernandes' performances thread?
why would I do that when I'm discussing Bruno Fernades' performance in the Liverpool game, in the Bruno Fernandes' performances thread?
Because that would make Bruno’s performance much worse. Seeing as you’re obviously keen to criticise him why not use all the available evidence? Unless, of course, that evidence is lacking.
The available evidence about his performance in the Liverpool match, which is what I discussed? I have done that
I don't have to go gather clips of his performances throughout the season to speak on how much of a bum he was against Liverpool.Now you have to gather clips of performances where a player is working their ass off throughout the season to speak about a specific game? odd
by the way this reminded me, I didn't rate his performance til now, wonder if I still can, might be the first 0 I dish out this season IIRC
The available evidence about his performance in the Liverpool match, which is what I discussed? I have done that
Now you have to gather clips of performances where a player is working their ass off throughout the season to speak about a specific game? odd
by the way this reminded me, I didn't rate his performance til now, wonder if I still can, might be the first 0 I dish out this season IIRC
No. The bit in his post you’re choosing to ignore is the chance to name a United player who performed well in comparison to Bruno. Should be easy, right? I mean, if he’s a 0 out of 10 you should be able to name a few players you’re giving much better grades to for their performance in that match?
Do we not have the capacity or reserve the right to speak about specific things, at specific times? Again, I'm in the Bruno Fernandes thread speaking about Bruno Fernandes' performance in the Liverpool game. I don't need so assess other players here to say he was poor.
There are plenty posts in this thread that show this isn't his first poor performance either, if that's the myth that's trying to be pushed here, but again, I don't have to do that when speaking about his Liverpool performance.
Bruno was shameful. It's OK guys, we don't have to wrestle against it. Maybe he'll bounce back and have a better performance next game, hopefully.
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