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Yea I mentioned it in another thread, but a lot of yesterday is on EtH.Agreed. Which means we could have moved Rashford left. I am sure Ten Hag will study this game to be honest.
Which is why I said I am not angry at him for his performance yesterday. Its simply who he is and especially when we didnt really have any midfielder with even a bit of composure its going to be like this. My issue is with his behaviour and attitude. That simply isnt okay for a United captain.
The commentators (plus assorted retards on Twitter) got that incident completely wrong. It wasn't a hand to his chest. There was clearly contact to his face. He just did the standard thing a lot of footballers do in making a massive fecking song and dance about any sort of contact of hand/arm to face, to try and win a foul and/or get someone sent off.
The commentators (plus assorted retards on Twitter) got that incident completely wrong. It wasn't a hand to his chest. There was clearly contact to his face. He just did the standard thing a lot of footballers do in making a massive fecking song and dance about any sort of contact of hand/arm to face.
You must be Bruno’s number one Stan.
Salah didn't make a massive song and dance when Martinez elbowed him in his face. So not a "standard" thing I guess.The commentators (plus assorted retards on Twitter) got that incident completely wrong. It wasn't a hand to his chest. There was clearly contact to his face. He just did the standard thing a lot of footballers do in making a massive fecking song and dance about any sort of contact of hand/arm to face, to try and win a foul and/or get someone sent off. Sometimes that sort of contact does do do some actual damage, despite looking completely innocuous. Usually not though.
With Casemiro it's actually 3 for 3 - his passing accuracy is just as low. We have too many midfielders who play high risk passes and not a single soul who knows how to keep the ball!Agree - with Fred and Bruno especially that's 2/3rds or our midfield that are really all over the place with their passing and general possession. It's why I think playing a flatter middle 3 of Case, Fred and Sabitzer would be better with Bruno either coming off the bench or as a false 9 for yesterday's game.
Salah didn't make a massive song and dance when Martinez elbowed him in his face. So not a "standard" thing I guess.
I don't think every single player needs to be a possession type. The problem is when you only have three or four who are. Or conversely you have four or five who are erratic and at times sloppy. Which has been our problem for a long time.
If you dropped Bruno into a team who really looked after the ball there wouldn't be a problem. In fact he'd probably be just what that team needs, a bit of cutting edge.
The problem is having Bruno alongside Fred, Casemiro, Rashford, Dalot and Antony. Guys who can all be really loose with the ball.
The mix isn't right basically. Especially with no Eriksen.
They are not playing high risk passes. They are just playing low risk passes but they fail.With Casemiro it's actually 3 for 3 - his passing accuracy is just as low. We have too many midfielders who play high risk passes and not a single soul who knows how to keep the ball!
Are you kidding? He did - he grabbed his face, fell down then got up and threw his arms out at the ref and had a moan about it (not as dramatic as Bruno though).Salah didn't make a massive song and dance when Martinez elbowed him in his face. So not a "standard" thing I guess.
That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
This post is spot on, and I think what most of us who are 'critical' of Fernandes believe. Fundamentally he is just an inherently flawed player who cannot compute with the style of football necessary to take us up an additional level. EDIT: before his supporters say it - he is far from the only one in this squad who is like this - but he is the only undisputed starter who is also de facto captain with no sort of competition whatsoever.That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
This post is spot on, and I think what most of us who are 'critical' of Fernandes believe. Fundamentally he is just an inherently flawed player who cannot compute with the style of football necessary to take us up an additional level. EDIT: before his detractors say it - he is far from the only one in this squad who is like this - but he is the only undisputed starter who is also de facto captain with no sort of competition whatsoever.
Anyone having a go at Bruno for touching the linesman needs to listen to this.
Can’t agree more.That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
That doesn't exist. It's a team game. No team has its future decided by one player.
I'm not talking about just Pep's team either. You could take Brighton under Potter. They looked after the ball but struggled at that last bit around the pen area. Stick Bruno in that and he's just what they need.
But no team wanting to win titles can have five players giving the ball away on a regular basis.
That's our problem. We won't "live or die" purely because of Bruno.
The commentators (plus assorted retards on Twitter) got that incident completely wrong. It wasn't a hand to his chest. There was clearly contact to his face. He just did the standard thing a lot of footballers do in making a massive fecking song and dance about any sort of contact of hand/arm to face, to try and win a foul and/or get someone sent off. Sometimes that sort of contact does do do some actual damage, despite looking completely innocuous. Usually not though.
Bruno was a disgrace yesterday regardless but this is a spot on. He’s clearly been caught in the mouth/chin here, which I’m sure would actually hurt a bit.
He just doesn’t help himself because he went down like he had been shot, and obviously has a reputation for being a flapper.
Very well put. Good post!That's where you are wrong. That's also the point the other thread has been trying to make. He simply needs to play in this chaotic way to get his high stats.
It doesn't mean that he's not intelligent or that he's just a street footballer. He wants to be the main provider and he can produce good numbers. But his game lacks a lot of things: Technique, ball retention and ball carrying skills and the ability to receive the ball on the half-turn. So, he often shifts out of position and roams into the spaces where he believes he can have the space and the time on the ball to pick out a pass while facing the goal. The likes of KdB or Odegaard may have similar passing completion stats, but they don't lack all of these things. This makes them capable to operate within the frame of a structured system. And a well structured system leads to well-drilled moves (and their variants) on the pitch. Which is the basis around which most good football sides have been built in the last 15 years or so.
I believe you can understand the paradox when you're arguing that the man who wants to be at the heart of our midfield needs better possession players around him. Possession football is all about controlling the chaotic nature of football. It's about taming the chaos, not embracing it. I am also not sure but, judging by experience, whenever people say that possession teams lack a cutting edge, they mean Pep's sides who like to pass the ball into oblivion. Well, in the previous 6 years they've been averaging 95 PL goals p/s, mostly by playing without a main striker, too. Structure and purposeful movement on the ball can provide you with a cutting edge. And, as opposed to relying on individualism, it's more dependable and lasting. It's also harder to achieve. In the end, the question isn't really about Bruno's numbers or his commitment to the cause. It's about whether we are going to continue being a side that lives and dies by how he chooses to play the game.
