I just don’t see how you could get the best of Grealish and Bruno if they are on the pitch at the same time.
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Yeah frequently. But the Pogba can do no wrong brigade just do my head in. I believe I am very fair on my evaluation of him. Always said he has tremendous natural ability. He still does. However he's a very mediocre player because 75% of the time he doesn't use his ability.
He's been a really poor signing for what we paid. Inconsistent performances and a circus off the pitch with his agent and brother.
I think some of our fans want him to do well so badly they pretend he actually has.
Massively overplayed. He needs a rest badly
Grealish left, Bruno centre, I s’pose. They are pretty different in style, I don’t see why they couldn’t compliment each other.
The lack of a Grealish or a Sancho is why Bruno hasn’t had a rest in 18 months. If you have that kind of depth, you rotate a lot, keep them all fresh and then possibly you are only starting Grealish and Bruno together about half the time because you are often resting one of them.
I am absolutely no expert in Grealish but from what I’ve seen it looks as he needs to run the show, just like Bruno. That’s why I think they would be good together. But that’s me guessing, I guess
I know what you mean, they both like to get on the ball a lot. But City have several players like that and, purely as an example, Barca had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.I am absolutely no expert in Grealish but from what I’ve seen it looks as he needs to run the show, just like Bruno. That’s why I think they would be good together. But that’s me guessing, I guess
And yet, you may very well be right. The shame is, we’ll only find out in our dreams.
If he is our best player, he's the best player of a 74 point team that loses Europa league finals to the Villareal's of this world so that's not saying much.
I just believe it will be very difficult to build a truly great side with a player like him being the key player.
Yes that’s what I mean. Xavi and Iniesta are different on that way that they have a very patient game style compared to Bruno as example. So far in the Euros both Grealish and Bruno have suffered from not being the centre of the universe. However too little game time to evaluate.
He's not world class.
Giving everything on the pitch is the bare minimum for a footballer at this level.
Could care less about his life off the pitch.
He's not playing for free.
Good final point.
Grealish and Iniesta are similar but Bruno is a strange one, very direct, regardless of game situation, can’t think of anyone else like him just now.
If we did buy Grealish it would be interesting to see if Bruno’s numbers dropped off. If it’s a straight choice between those two guys, Grealish is more my sort of player.
So it's better to sell him than surround him with good players?
About the rest, someone needs to be the best even in a lousy team as United, at least you put it that way.
The fact is that creativity was a big problem until we got our first working CAM in ages.
Our game changed because of him and what he gives in a position we had been missing for a long time.
Our game changed because of him and what he gives in a position we had been missing for a long time.
The IQ of the members of the CAF goes down with every passing day, seriously what the feck has happened to this forum in recent years? When's it gonna end Wobbie?
He does need a rest because what makes him scary and dangerous is when he gets on a role - that constant scoring, those consistent assists, the constant penalties every time he doesn’t score from open play.
We saw it in Portugal and we saw it in England for the first 60% of his time here. It has started getting a bit toned down, hopefully it’s a rest that he needs. United players like him and Rashford look completely out of it with players like Maguire,VDB, Greenwood out injured.
We saw it in Portugal and we saw it in England for the first 60% of his time here. It has started getting a bit toned down, hopefully it’s a rest that he needs. United players like him and Rashford look completely out of it with players like Maguire,VDB, Greenwood out injured.
I think this must be true.
His form has been a bit up and down but it’s no surprise considering the amount of football he’s played.
I can’t agree with the notion being put forward by some posters that he actually isn’t much good and only seems good because he scores and assists so many goals. It’s like saying somebody isn’t rich, they just seem rich because they have so much money.
They are totally different players. Grealish plays on the left, comes deep to get the ball and runs at defenders. Bruno plays as an extremely advanced 10, making runs behind the defence. They could play together just fine. It would be Rashford who gets benched, not Bruno.
Yes he performed into his peak and his body will have to adjust. For Chelsea kante was an example in recent times of over using. Players often develop muscle injuries if not rested properly.
Tuchel twice handled kante by giving him occasional rest in his short period of time managing chelsea. Especially in run in last five games he forced to rest kante twice because of his work load.
But both still need the game to go through them, to be in the centre of everything, to bring value. Could work, but just a bit worried that it won’t work out.
He is world class. Record breaking consecutive PL player of the month is the proof.
Giving everything on the pitch is given for every player then every player would be hugely popular in all clubs. Bruno goes beyond call of duty to cover entire pitch to track back (just one example). Not all players do that. In fact except Bruno and Rashford I have not seen others consistently stretch their own stamina to maximum all over the pitch.
Off the field manners and lifestyle is absolutely important for club's brand, staying fit for match day and playing 90 minutes with intensity week in week out.
Nobody works for free. So? Shouldn't appreciate if someone good at their job! HR across the world disagree.
See De Bryune, Gundogan, Mahrez, Sterling, Foden.
I agree with most you wrote, but the above, about giving everything; I think most players give everything and the ones who don’t are the exceptions. I see many who complain about forwards not tracking back, but many of them need to stay fresh for their fifth, sixth or tenth max sprint. Not tracking back beyond their duty and instead rely on the other team members is a smart thing.
Sorry, I don’t follow. What do you mean?
I meant that both Grealish and Bruno need the game to go through them.
I just think they are both good enough to play together and they would be in two different positions. I really don’t see it as much of a problem myself.
Ok understand. Tbh I doubt he’ll play for us next season but you never know. And then we’ll see if it works out.
Granted there is a huge difference between effective tracking and closing down and running round like a headless chicken wasting energy. But not tracking back and expecting others to that job for you is never really a smart thing, even if you think it's beyond your duty.
Yestrday with Portugal, we a saw Semedo was all over the shop, but Gosens was left free to run the entire left wing all game, the right winger obviously thought it was beyond his duty to track him.
We're in negative digits now.
Creativity is still a big problem unless i missed something. We only scored 73 goals this past season. Nowhere near good enough.
So yeah 2nd most goals in the league if you would like to put it that way.
One could also write it like 1,92 goals a game but it doesn't sound as depressing.
Let's get back on track to your agenda: Bruno's not World Class. About the Same output as Salah and a better one than KdB, but definitely not World Class
Yeah it's a problem because we play with midfield that can't pass the ball, the player who created most chances is top 5 leagues isn't the people for lack of creativity.
We really do have some absolute lunatics on here, funny read
Issue with Fernandes isn't he attempts to find killer pass frequently and loses possession in the process but he messes up simple passes more often than not which causes problems due to high turnovers ,he just needs to simplify his basic game more while retaining his killer instinct in the final third and he will better off with it individually and we would have better control and balance as a team .
But having said that it's all contingent on how we upgrade our options in the midfield as well otherwise it's all moot.
But having said that it's all contingent on how we upgrade our options in the midfield as well otherwise it's all moot.
Nope. Since Bruno arrived, with him and Pogba around, creativity is no longer an issue for united. The reason we did not score enough is that we do not have all cylinders firing strikers. That is the big gap all pundits and Ole have identified. Reason we desparately want Cavani to stay as an interim solution.
In PL for 20/21 season, Bruno is #1 in total chances created among all PL players, #1 in key passes outside the box, #1 in key passes from anywhere. He is #2 in total assists, Bruno is ranked #2 valuable AM in the world behind KDB. In addition, he is the 10th most valuable player in the world. No united player is ahead of him as of now.
all that and yet he's trash that needs to be sold
Start with the manager first. Then we can go from there.
Correct. Players don't "have to" do that. And then you have a player in Bruno who sprint 60 yards to track back and then sprint back again 60 yards to counter, and then again, and again, without compromising his job of creating chances, playing 90 mins week in week out. You got to admit the man must be appreciated. No?
When has this schedule ever happened? When have players ever played this much? And when since this began have any of them had any rest?
The biggest tactical difference I observered in Portual vs united is Bruno's position. United's game is centered around Bruno. Everything goes through him. He has a free roaming role. He always makes himself available for a pass, be it in the center of field of final third. You have the ball, Bruno is there to give you an option. Moreover united teammates look for him and pass the ball to him. He dicates the flow, he dictates the direction.
For Portual, I see Bruno most of the times is deployed in final third like false 9. When he drops deep, Jota and Silva simply ignore him. FFS you have the most valuable portuguese player playing next to you, #2 most formidable AM in the world, then you bloody pass the ball to him and not try to do things on your own. It would be really interesting to find number of times ball recevied by Bruno in the Euro.
BTW, I don't see Bruno is tired.
For Portual, I see Bruno most of the times is deployed in final third like false 9. When he drops deep, Jota and Silva simply ignore him. FFS you have the most valuable portuguese player playing next to you, #2 most formidable AM in the world, then you bloody pass the ball to him and not try to do things on your own. It would be really interesting to find number of times ball recevied by Bruno in the Euro.
BTW, I don't see Bruno is tired.
I don't get this arguement, why does he need to be the key player? If the team gets better and those around him get better and we play better without him then he will be on the bench.
On the other hand we might see the best of Bruno in a better team. Hes certainly the type to do whatever it takes to improve so that can be part of the team. Seems like no one is harder on him than himself.
It's not like he's on stupid wages or even cost a stupid amount, at the same time I don't think we'd easily recoup that money. That is the sort of player we should have in our squad, whether they start or not.
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