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Yes and not only me my 2 teenage children, my husband and a majority of our friends and colleagues would as well.

I think it is something that you have to research outside the mainstream papers. There is so much on both sides that is biased.

So your research was so compelling that your whole family would now switch to vote leave, but you can't explain what any of it was. Brilliant.
 
Yes and not only me my 2 teenage children, my husband and a majority of our friends and colleagues would as well.

I think it is something that you have to research outside the mainstream papers. There is so much on both sides that is biased.

Mate, you can't just keep telling people to do "research" in vague terms as if that explains your position on anything.

What are we researching and where are we supposed to be getting this research from?

Sounds very much like you're blowing hot air and actually can't explain anything you're on about. This research was so amazing it changed your mind, your family's minds, and the minds of all of your colleagues, but you're unable to explain what any of it is?

Sure, Jan.
 
You know before the EU ruling many organisations in the UK were already compaigning for it to come to fuition so it would of eventually come in anyway.

Then there is the fact the prison population is soo tiny that it has 0 influence on actual voting numbers. It's more a way for them to integrate them into society better.

Was that really the only reason to vote to destroy the economy?

In your opinion but at the time no political party had a manifesto proposing it certainly non that would win a majority. At no point did opinion polls show much public support for it and it had been for parliamentary vote and was defeated.

What I find interesting is people who happen to agree with that EU decision seem not to mind about parliamentary authority. In this thread as well.

Anyway I was answering the "there is no reason statement" if you want to broaden that to a "there are no reasons I find important enough" type statement then have at it.
 
Mate, you can't just keep telling people to do "research" in vague terms as if that explains your position on anything.

What are we researching and where are we supposed to be getting this research from?

Sounds very much like you're blowing hot air and actually can't explain anything you're on about. This research was so amazing it changed your mind, your family's minds, and the minds of all of your colleagues, but you're unable to explain what any of it is?

Sure, Jan.
I think they mean "research outside the mainstream papers" in the same way that anti-vaxxers do it. Which translates to "I googled searched favoured terms for five minutes and found some random person's blog who agrees with my assumptions."
 
Yes and not only me my 2 teenage children, my husband and a majority of our friends and colleagues would as well.

I think it is something that you have to research outside the mainstream papers. There is so much on both sides that is biased.

So you based your entire line of argument on the pretense that you would vote remain but see merits to the leave side of the argument. Now you say you would vote leave. So essentially you are a leave voter, who when asked to present a case for doing so took refuge in the argument that those reasons are very complex and absent from mainstream media altogether.

You, sir, are a train-wreck of a poster.

Edit: You, madam, are a train-wreck of a pester. Apologies.
 
Yes and not only me my 2 teenage children, my husband and a majority of our friends and colleagues would as well.

I think it is something that you have to research outside the mainstream papers. There is so much on both sides that is biased.

So you, your two teenage children, your husband and the majority of your friends and colleagues have all conducted this extensive research. Discovered some compelling reasons for leaving the EU and would now vote leave but you can't explain any of them.

Interesting.
 
I did and was expressing my view on European security. If I was taking things out of context, my apology.

None of what she said is actually relevant because the EU has never prevented anyone from having it's own defense arrangement and no one has ever been forced to do anything.
 
It feels a very Boris Johnson way to defend Brexit.

"There are great reasons to leave the EU, but those reasons are hard to explain so I won't tell you. But the reasons are real and I promise you I'm not just making them up. I promise."

Do research outside the mainstream papers for feck sake. What does that even mean?
 
I think they mean "research outside the mainstream papers" in the same way that anti-vaxxers do it. Which translates to "I googled searched favoured terms for five minutes and found some random person's blog who agrees with my assumptions."

It's absolutely what they mean, which is why I've asked for the source of this research.

It sounds very much like this research, if it even exists, won't stand up to any sort of remote scrutiny. Much like a blog an anti-vaxxer stumbled upon that agreed with their uninformed opinion wouldn't.
 
It feels a very Boris Johnson way to defend Brexit.

"There are great reasons to leave the EU, but those reasons are hard to explain so I won't tell you. But the reasons are real and I promise you I'm not just making them up. I promise."

Do research outside the mainstream papers for feck sake. What does that even mean?

Who is the British equivalent of Ben Shapiro? That's where.
 
It feels a very Boris Johnson way to defend Brexit.

"There are great reasons to leave the EU, but those reasons are hard to explain so I won't tell you. But the reasons are real and I promise you I'm not just making them up. I promise."

Do research outside the mainstream papers for feck sake. What does that even mean?

it means legislation.gov.uk or europa.eu. Neither are mainstream papers, they also don't support those claims.
 
It's absolutely what they mean, which is why I've asked for the source of this research.

It sounds very much like this research, if it even exists, won't stand up to any sort of remote scrutiny. Much like a blog an anti-vaxxer stumbled upon that agreed with their uninformed opinion wouldn't.
I wouldn't bother, there's no argument against it. If you're trying to explain that water is wet and the other person keeps saying that Dave told them water is just frozen fire then there's no point because it's a lost cause.
 
I've been posting in this thread since the day it started. They're pretty easy to spot.


I switch off from people for whom everthing is ' Amazing '

Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday - first show of the series, and Old Tess managed to last a whole 10 seconds before declaring something or other ' Amazing '

Instant push of the ' OFF ' button.

And I also do / feel the same with people who start every sentence with ' So. '

Instant push of the ' OFF ' button for them as well.
 
I switch off from people for whom everthing is ' Amazing '

Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday - first show of the series, and Old Tess managed to last a whole 10 seconds before declaring something or other ' Amazing '

Instant push of the ' OFF ' button.

And I also do / feel the same with people who start every sentence with ' So. '

Instant push of the ' OFF ' button for them as well.
You double up as a mind reading act in Working Mens Clubs on Saturday nights ??

So personally offensive....
Hmm.
 
I wouldn't bother, there's no argument against it. If you're trying to explain that water is wet and the other person keeps saying that Dave told them water is just frozen fire then there's no point because it's a lost cause.

:lol: fecking dave
 
It feels a very Boris Johnson way to defend Brexit.

"There are great reasons to leave the EU, but those reasons are hard to explain so I won't tell you. But the reasons are real and I promise you I'm not just making them up. I promise."

Do research outside the mainstream papers for feck sake. What does that even mean?

Don't read the Mail, Express, Sun etc and people may develop an ability to think or not, as the case may be. Who the hell still reads these rags.
 
Race and it's predudices was the theme of a number of comedy series back then.
I have to say that I don't think that people took things so seriously then.

Remember Till Death Do Us Part, Johnny Speight the writer was upset that people didn't object more to his main character, Alf Garnett, bigot and racist, because they thought it was acceptable behaviour.
 
Yes and not only me my 2 teenage children, my husband and a majority of our friends and colleagues would as well.

I think it is something that you have to research outside the mainstream papers. There is so much on both sides that is biased.

Sound to be honest like you really need to think about whether your reasoning is correct or you should change your mind.

Usually when you have to make stuff up to justify why you think something it means that you either aren't being honest with yourself or don't actually know enough about why you think what you do to have a clue whether it's correct.

Which tbh is 90% of political opinions in a nutshell. Problem I have is this is how Boris seems to come to his decisions and then he acts on them with the intelligence and responsibility of a spoilt 6 year old. I really think that whatever people's views on brexit, leaving it in the hands of an obvious deluded imbecile like Boris will be a disaster.
 
OK if you really want to do this ... then pick one subject and lets debate it.
So you, your two teenage children, your husband and the majority of your friends and colleagues have all conducted this extensive research. Discovered some compelling reasons for leaving the EU and would now vote leave but you can't explain any of them.

Interesting.

I am happy to have a debate on one subject at a time so it is not so over whelming. I am just getting inundated with posts and I have also have a life! The onus has been on me to justify my decision / change of heart with lots of angry posters who are not really adding anything to a debate but because they are in the majority they are riding on others coat tails.

Lets say trade deals to start with ...

I am confident that there is plenty of trade out there from other countries. We import the most from Germany and export the most to the USA. Worse case scenario is that there are additional tariffs to pay but business is business and the key will also be the performance of the pound. A brexit solution may also create a bounce effect. The pound against the dollar has been appalling for the last 3 years.

Being able to negotiate as a single entity will have its advantages as well as disadvantages.

When I import from USA I pay import duty and there are companies out there that sort that out for me before the goods arrive at my door so doing the same if we leave is not a concern.

The argument is that trade deals take a long time but hardly surprising when you consider how many countries have been involved.

I am trying to to think of one product - outside energy - that a country could hold us to ransom with.
 
I've said this time and time again; the referendum wasn't the "democratic will of the people". The Leave vote accounted for around 30% of the UK population, with the rest either voting Remain, not voting at all of not being registered to vote. That's not a majority of anything.

This is completely ridiculous. This is the same as saying that a primeminister is not democratically elected for the same reasons.