At this stage I'm pretty sure Brexit will never happen. This extension cycle will simply continue until a situation arises whereby someone is in power who can revoke A50.
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Did this in my lunch hour 
Hopefully it gets sorted so that the domestic agenda that has been ignored for over 3 years can be sorted.
Its the reason the monarchy is fairly popular. They are considered above politics. Engaging political decisions is a slippery slope that leads their their deminse.
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Cummings is rumoured to be against any sort of pact with the Brexit party.
Some of the reporting seems a bit misleading to me, painting it as a power grab by the courts. It isn't a power grab it's the courts doing what they're supposed to do in making sure parliament is sovereign and the executive doesn't abuse his powers. The idea that a prime minister who has won no election and has no mandate is above parliament and the courts is absurd.
The mandate is understood as delivering on the referendum which was part of the 2017 mandate. If the conservative government doesn't deliver on this on 31st October, it'll be more points for Corbyn.
I am not a huge fan of the Liberals who want to revoke A50 through a GE.
But I am a supporter of a second referendum for the simple reason that the Brexit illusion with all the promised benefits was never going to happen. The last three years has reinforced that.
Boris now the opportunity to redeem his badly tarnished image by doing what he said he could do and reach a WA with the EU. Either before the end of October or after.
Whatever the outcome, that or remain needs to be given to the electorate to decide upon.
And to those who say - let's just leave and put an end to it. Leaving without a deal will most certainly not be the end. That is when all the problems will begin.
Doubt he’ll have much influence from now on. Wouldn’t be surprised if BJ’s cronies are now all out to get him, in attempt to exonerate themselves.
The mother of all wars is going on inside the Tory party as we speak. I think it would be great for them to all enjoin for conference next week, just for the spectacle.
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I've heard several gerronwivits on the beeb in the last hour
Leaving without a deal was never discussed in the run up to the 2016 referendum. Cameron's options were to either remain or leave altogether. The discussions we had here at the time were whether or not the UK could secure a deal with the EU after we'd left, which gave us access to the single market without free movement of people. Leaving with or without a deal crept into the debate after the referendum.
But the ruling they wish for doesn't just apply to brexit (i'd argue no deal doesn't have a mandate anyway). They're saying it's right for a leader to take charge with no public vote and for them to overrule parliament and presumably the courts.
Kay Burley on now incessantly telling Miller she has't really achieved anything despite it being explained to her very simply that this is a constitutional issue not just brexit. We're in a ridiculous place where every issue is only seen through the narrow prism of brexit.
The comments under Farage's tweets are hilarious. It's like they are crying their brexit lord has forsaken them.
You are right. It was naive in the extreme for anyone to suppose that leaving was going to be as easy as the leave campaign said.
The UK is a major world economy. Moreover, no one has ever left before. So in reality no one had a clue how we were going to leave.
I do believe that the EU negotiators have done an excellent job for the remaining 27 nations.
The UK negotiators have been shockingly bad and amateurish in the extreme.
There is now one last chance to salvage something credible and I trust that Boris Johnson will stop being such an idiot and do the right thing.
The irony in all of this is my favourite part. Many Brexiteers going on and on about taking the law away from EU courts and giving the power back to the UK, and then in this situation the UK courts are ruling against them 
We laugh at them but they might well have the last laugh yet. What they'll think in ten years time who knows.
Including the PM himself.
I voted leave, and would do so again, but you're right in that a referendum was a disastrous idea. It was a massive gamble by Cameron that went horribly wrong for him.
The referendum has shown us that a realignment of British politics has been long overdue. We have three main parties that don't believe in Brexit, squabbling over how to implement it.
If we had another referendum, it'll be split down the middle again. Leave or remain would edge it, and we're no better off. Currently I can only see some kind of compromise sorting this mess out.
Some kind of deal that removes us politically and judicially, but keeps us in the single market and customs union. Very difficult.
This isn't possible and I don't get how people can even start to suggest it, think about what it means for the other 27 nations sovereignty.
Why did you vote to leave?
What benefit do you think we'll get leaving the EU? How will your life improve?
Honest question, not having a go.
I said this at the time to anyone who would listen!
When I was at Manchester University in the 1990s, the UK was educating an entire generation on how best to maximise the new opportunities presented by the EU. Case in point: we were amongst the first to be educated about EU Economics and Politics which was the most popular course in my BA (Econ) degree. After that, I joined a huge multinational, and the same process was in play; how the previous UK centric division would be integrated into the new EU supply chain etc. The best minds of this country have been perfecting this across every sphere of UK society until 2016.
As far as I'm aware, no serious organisation with significant resources was investigating how we'd leave. I cant recall Backstop/N.Ireland border issue even being mentioned in the referendum debate.
Its no surprise to me whatsoever that the logistics of leaving the EU has been an utter trainwreck, given nobody in the country had been prepared for it.
I know that this arrangement would be extremely tough to secure, but as I said, a compromise seems like the only way to try and solve the crisis. The only other option is leave completely with no deal.
That's the problem- it's like the last three years of debates have passed everyone by and we keep getting back to that starting point, which won't work.
Aye, I thought as much.
Hugely ill-informed and unaware of how much of a nightmare it would be.
I reckon that would apply to 95% of leave voters. Why so many would vote leave again if there was another referendum is truly baffling though.
We are so better educated, Leave has no credible advocates outside loony tories, and Remain would run a much better campaign.
I think it would be a clear Remain win. 55:45 at the very least.
I voted to leave because I can see the EU pushing for a United states of Europe.
“We want British laws to govern!”
*british law applies*
“What right have you to do this!?”
Absolutely no chance.
You are not getting it, it's not tough to secure it's impossible. Would you let anyone access your home while not having a say on what they can or can't do in it?
All he's saying there is that the EU needs to be as strong as the US, China, and India in order to compete on the world stage. What's wrong with that?
The prospect of a United States of Europe is very serious. Only Federalists / Globalists would welcome something like this without question.
It's not particularly serious.
Odds on use of the word sovereignty in his reply: 1/9.
Here's another one from 2016:
Not looking good on that front either, is it?
That was the plan from the very beginning - from two minutes after the Referendum result was announced in 2016.
The only thing is for Johnson to dare Corbyn, Swinson and the Jocks to a GE - which, of course they won't accept because after this ruling and the unelectable imbeciles in the Labour Party, the Tories and Brext Party would win a GE by a landslide.
So the UK is now stuck in hole that it can't escape from until 2022, Brussels are pissing themselevs laughing, and the rest of the world are left scratching their collective head how the once mighty UK has allowed itself to become a laughing stock.
thinking the United States of Europe was an actual possibility or risk is yet another example of why referendums are a fecking terrible idea.
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Are they even able negotiate without having concluded the withdrawal agreement?