Hey, there's no need to bring up players with better strike rates than Welbeck...that's just out of line.
Brentan Rodgers
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I find those rather cabalistic and esoteric references, sir.
I'm sure his BPL winners medal more than makes up for it our kid!
Bring up a player who has played professional football for 20 odd years, of course.
It was a joke. Heskey is pants
@PickledRed You've put up a brave defence in here of Rodgers. Commendable in the grand scheme of things, being a United forum and all.
Serious question though - last season to me looked like a genuine 'house of cards' set up for Liverpool. Okay I will admit I didn't watch them every week but when I did it seemed to me to just be 'Suarez picks himself up top, Gerrard picks himself in midfield and we go from there'. I still don't really see or feel the 'influence' of the manager on last years team. The defense was awful, the Gerrard/Henderson combination completely unravelled at the world cup and Sturridge showed that he was fairly one dimensional as well.
That isn't to say that none of these guys showed any promise and are (as United fans on here would like to say) just shite because they play for Liverpool. I am genuinely failing to see any 'managerial genius' in terms of the way Liverpool played last year. It seemed in my fairly limited assessment of the events very much like I said above; a 'Suarez up top, Sturridge and Sterling causing havoc picking up scraps on the interchange, Coutinho in the space, Hendo do the running, Stevie G spraying the ball and defenders try and hold out for 90minutes'.
Not on a wind up but that is just how I saw it. If he really was at a high level of management he'd have fixed that defense 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through that season for the run in and galvanized that position with a finish that resulted in silverware. Of course it's very easy to say that in hindsight and all that - but I am interested to hear your thoughts on the matter with out the 'he said they said' United/Liverpool mentality all over it.
I just saw it as a 'house of cards' system that started from Suarez up top creating havoc. But like I said, a fairly limited view of them as a whole last season.
Serious question though - last season to me looked like a genuine 'house of cards' set up for Liverpool. Okay I will admit I didn't watch them every week but when I did it seemed to me to just be 'Suarez picks himself up top, Gerrard picks himself in midfield and we go from there'. I still don't really see or feel the 'influence' of the manager on last years team. The defense was awful, the Gerrard/Henderson combination completely unravelled at the world cup and Sturridge showed that he was fairly one dimensional as well.
That isn't to say that none of these guys showed any promise and are (as United fans on here would like to say) just shite because they play for Liverpool. I am genuinely failing to see any 'managerial genius' in terms of the way Liverpool played last year. It seemed in my fairly limited assessment of the events very much like I said above; a 'Suarez up top, Sturridge and Sterling causing havoc picking up scraps on the interchange, Coutinho in the space, Hendo do the running, Stevie G spraying the ball and defenders try and hold out for 90minutes'.
Not on a wind up but that is just how I saw it. If he really was at a high level of management he'd have fixed that defense 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through that season for the run in and galvanized that position with a finish that resulted in silverware. Of course it's very easy to say that in hindsight and all that - but I am interested to hear your thoughts on the matter with out the 'he said they said' United/Liverpool mentality all over it.
I just saw it as a 'house of cards' system that started from Suarez up top creating havoc. But like I said, a fairly limited view of them as a whole last season.
He's either a massive WUM or a tit (Rodgers)
Yeah, whereas Welbeck isn't, so not a very good joke, was it?
Liverpool fans can talk all the boring nonsense about Welbeck being a bad player but he'd absolutely make it into their squad for as many games - if not more - than he gets into for us.
He'd get in more than lambert that's for sure.
I think he's turned around a failing team, improved individuals (including Suarez) and almost won the league. I don't agree it was a 'house of cards' but I think the point is that the squad was unusually thin so a core set of players were relied upon so there was a vulnerability there - evident after Henderson's absence.
As for Gerrard / Henderson combo is good. The World Cup is no barometer when it comes to club form - apart from anything else, Hodgson deployed Gerrard as a box to box midfielder. Rodgers was far more shrewd with his use of his captain.
Rodgers is a very good manager in my opinion. Think the team will continue to improve.
Not a Liverpool fan but watched them plenty, and I genuinely thought they were the most entertaining team in the Premier League last year. Scored a shitload of goals and although their defense was suspect, that just made their games more entertaining for neutrals. Not sure what you mean about Sturridge being one-dimensional unless you're talking about scoring goals. Rodgers moved Gerrard back to a holding midfielder role last season, and Henderson was more of a box-to-box type providing the engine. Thought Henderson was their most improved player last season. Sterling showed amazing development in the second half of the season. Feels weird defending Rodgers, but thought he set them up really well to attack and win games. Showed good tactical knowledge and almost took that limited squad to the Premier League title. He deserved a lot of the credit for their success last season. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they can repeat what they did last year as the loss of Suarez will be tremendous along with the distraction of playing in Europe. However, it does seem kinda odd that anyone can take issue with the job Rodgers did last season for Liverpool.
Touchy much?
It would have looked a lot better for you if you were on a windup.
Edit: Seriously, look at your post: "I just don't see the manager's input here. Once Henderson, Gerrard Sturridge played for a different manager, they unravelled."
"No genius here - Just suarez up top, sturridge and sterling causing havoc, coutinho in the hole, henderson running and gerrard praying balls." - So, all we did was play really good football and score loads of goals. Yeah, the manager had no influence on that. And at the world cup, these players were average anyway.
I think you need to look at my post, that isn't even what I said.
No doubt he's a good manager and I've not said otherwise. I thought Suarez had all of that in him to begin with. Especially the fear factor. I don't think it was any great managerial prowess that brought it out of him from Rogers. Mainly the fact that he stuck by him up front and had most of the team feed off it.
The World Cup was a good barometer of the influence of Suarez on those two players in particular (in my opinion). Also the extra ball movement from the second forward player (in the WC case being Rooney who is not particularly fleet of foot when it comes to making things happen by taking people on) was one of the main things missing that really took the wind out of the Gerrard/Henderson combo.
I'm still not really seeing the whole 'Rodgers Effect' though. Maybe I just didn't see enough games to have a better understanding but I am only talking face value.
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Brenton adds his two cents for what it's worth
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/05/liverpool-brendan-rodgers-louis-van-gaal
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/05/liverpool-brendan-rodgers-louis-van-gaal
He's doing a good job, but I'd consider a very good manager to be somebody who star players want to play under and learn from. Rodgers isn't there yet, he's yet to win anything. Long way to go.
He's won trophies in 3 different countries and leagues, he'll adapt fine. Fecking Brenton rodgers.
Rogers needs to also have a wake up call if they do not add a striker, and he's about to find out how life is allot harder playing CL football and PL footie. Not only life without Suarez, but no more one game a week, with an ageing gerrard and Suarez less Liverpool with poor backups to Sturridge, it's going to be tougher to score goals
Some clever words in there. It's as if he's come on and lifted a relegation threatened Liverpool to 2nd place. The club were carrying a Champions League squad for almost 3 years with only Premier League revenue and had spunked 35 Million on Andy fecking Caroll. Yea yea yea, I hear you say king Kenny, however Borini and Aspas would want to say Hi.
I think this is where peterstory gets his 'bullshitter' ammo from. Sounds like bitter ranting from Rodgers for me - if he could just cut that out and focus on his own job then I think he'd get a bit more respect.
He just across as a bit of a clown. There's an extract from the Blizzard that was published recently, in which Rodgers is interviewed just after getting the LFC job. He keeps breaking into Spanish during the interview. Ass-clown of the highest order (good manager mind...)
Rodgers:
van Gaal:
van Gaal:
Brenton: 0 trophies
LVG: 16 trophies.
I'd say Louis will be grand without bring patronised by the wee man.
LVG: 16 trophies.
I'd say Louis will be grand without bring patronised by the wee man.
In a way Brenton has a point but he is indirectly saying he thinks LVG will fail in his first season, this squad has won a league before and know what it takes, hes not stupid, hes going to take every single game seriously and with no distraction in Europe can definetly achieve a title in his first season, Ancelotti, Mourinho and Pellegrini have done it and Louis is as good as them
I'm not into predictions, we'll just have to see how Van Gaal gets on this season. We'll also get an idea if Rodgers is all he's cracked up to be as well.
Why is he pointing out that premier league is more physical though? Its not as if LvG is going to be taking the field to actually play...
I like Rodgers, not because he is Irish, and think he is doing a good job with LFC. They just dont have that big club edge do they? Where they can drop 30 plus million on an attacking player on a whim ( Andy Carroll didnt work out did he ) like most of the big clubs in europe. I think Rodgers will take Liverpool as far as they can go which is a top 4 finish. Someone referenced a house of cards earlier and it really was. If Fergie was still in charge United would have finished in the top two last season. Moyes was a huge disruption to the way of things at the top of english football and hopefully with LvG in charge normal service will resume. Rodgers and LFC just dont have the ability to outspend and out talent City, Chelsea and United if all are on a level field in terms of coaches. I think if LvG gets a squad he is happy with then Rodgers and Liverpool will be battling it out for 4th with Wenger and Arsenal.
Yeah that was a very odd thing to say. Its not like you cant coach a physical style
He's doing his best to rattle the cage, very much doubt van Gaal was concerned at all.
Exactly. You'd think that it's not just LvG who'd be new to English football, but also the entire United squad.
Funny that he has to try them mind games already... given that most scouse don't think we'll be rivals this season!
We've a lot of people worried, trust me.
Whether or not some are getting carried away remains to be seen, but we're definitely viewed as a threat coming into the season.
The comments about Moyes and the Glazers annoy me more than anything about Van Gaal, who literally won't even stop to consider what Rodgers thinks of the challenge in front of him.
What does Rodgers know about the Glazers and what was happening inside the club regarding Moyes? I also don't think he knows a great deal about the other leagues either and really isn't in a position to say the premier league is so much more competitive.
What does Rodgers know about the Glazers and what was happening inside the club regarding Moyes? I also don't think he knows a great deal about the other leagues either and really isn't in a position to say the premier league is so much more competitive.
Someone on RAWK said:
Look what you've done, Brenda.
Look what you've done, Brenda.Lmao Brenton.
Just lol at that part, statement lost all credibility with that.
I don't mind Rodgers as a manager but a lot of the time when he opens his mouth, dumb things come out of it.
#1) I agree with Rodgers comments about the Premier League being the most competitive league in Europe.
#2) His comments on Moyes are laughable. Only non-United fans were disappointed when Moyes got sacked.
#3) LVG doesn't give a shit and won't spend a single second worrying bout Rodgers' silly mind games. Who the feck does he think he's dealing with?!? LVG is the Jedi Master of mind games. LVG = Yoda, Mourinho = Darth Vader, Brenton Rodgers = bitchy youngling that gets slaughtered by Anakin Skywalker
What did Brendan say about Moyes?
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