Very harsh. I've always been a fan of his briefings. I expect he deals with the players in the same way - they clearly see it as inspiring on some level. He could do a Hodgson and talk like an indifferent neutral.
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How does that counter my point. He's a student of the game - even that quote says so.
“My biggest mentor is myself because I’ve had to study, so that’s been my biggest influence.”
You can't really question his management ability. He has made a few mistakes, the envelope springs to mind and his teams aren't great defensively. However, you have to give credit for his performances last season where he managed to get his team to punch above their weight. As cringeworthy as he is it is hard to say he isn't a good manager.
Rodgers is definitely a smart guy, there's no point trying denigrate his intelligence. He's just a bit of a twit.
I'm sure if he wins something he will be questioned anyway. That's how it works, no?
See my previous post.
I have no idea, you seem to be making up the rules. You tell me.
What? That post makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Not really that harsh, the stuff he comes out with in public is often nonsense. He's probably a lot different talking to the players in private.
No it doesn't. You can't deny his intelligence but he's foolish?
I think you'd have laughed at me loudly had I said a Rodgers was going to get his team to 2nd last season. You'd have pointed to his squad and laughed a bit more. You'd have told me 5th at best.
But he orchestrated one of the swiftest and most impressive team turn arounds since Wenger's 98 winning team. But feint praise is still used to damn him.
That's what I think.
How so? He's a twit in the sense that some of his comments are a tad eccentric. Silly comments don't mean he's not clever, though, he certainly is.
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Steady Bob, steady.
You say steady one more time...
He's obviously not stupid. However he reminds me very much of those people you bump into (in an office/workplace) that like to pretend they are all knowing, regardless of the topic of conversation. Usually the one who everyone else would crawl through glass to avoid sitting next to at lunch.
The brightest people in any profession aren't usually overly verbose. They don't need to prove their intelligence talking like some ***********. It's a pretty easy tell for someone who's full of shit.
Well he most certainly does, seeing as he inspires himself and all! I imagine him standing in front of the mirror after a top up tan and his leather jacket draped over one shoulder. "You're the man Brendan, yes Brendan...You're the man"
You'll be on the first plane baaaaaack.
I can do his accent pretty well. I went to a culchie school.
Eh? Twit can just mean silly, a bit eccentric.
I meant twit. I don't dislike Rodgers, I think he's alright.
Since you seem to be happy providing both sides of the dialogue, I'll go and do something useful. I would hate to see how you intend to counter the next thing that I didn't say.
Mr Bill Shankly says hello.
I think, in fairness, he gets lost in his passion. Admittedly, the way he expresses himself can be somewhat bizarre.
So you thought Liverpool would get top 4 last season. Permission to dialogue...
No mirror required - he had a self-portrait in the hall. Mind you he's (allegedly) deep in Charlotte's Hindquarters these days.
This made me laugh.
For what it's worth I do think Rodgers is intelligent, I'm guessing we mean relative intelligence here, so as for whether he has the level required to be like Mourinho or van Gaal I do not know but we will soon find out.
That said, Mourinho has had many students and I doubt being his student qualifies one as intelligent. Mike Phelan learned from the mighty SAF, yet that doesn't mean anything as far as intelligence to be a great manager goes.
I also doubt being influenced by Louis van Gaal makes you intelligent, it's actually this point that made me laugh.
Making it your personal aim to become a student of the game is fine, in Louis van Gaal, Mourinho and even Wenger we have masters. David Moyes probably is a student of the game, he is always trying to learn or so he says but he is yet to master it.
Roy Hodgson found himself at one of the biggest clubs in Europe, so this point has nothing to do with having that high level of inteliigence.
He a good manager, got to give credit where due, but I can't stand the bloke. It's not even the Liverpool connection, he always came off as a bit of a tosser at Swansea as well.
He's a big fat weirdo. Not the harmless type that you might find talking to a shoe, like Rafa but the creepy kind that makes the skin crawl a la Phil Brown.
Being overly verbose is not the same as being witty and direct. Shankly was hardly known for spewing philosophical wank was he? He was hardly a man who had swallowed a dictionary.
I hadn't given it any consideration. I had slightly more important things to worry about. My own team and David Moyes, for example. To say that I didn't want Moyes to get the job is a slight understatement.
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Hello. Bill wasn't offering the usual daily salutation dosed up with a wank-speak enema.
Could you imagine Shankly having a large self-portrait hung in his own living room?
There is a world of difference there, Shankly spoke about his own thoughts.
Rodgers is paraphrasing the very many self-help and motivational books he must have read. There is nothing wrong with those books really, either to be honest, its just that his paraphrasing usually reveals he doesnt really understand the point he is trying to replicate.
The envelope one is such a perfect example, three players cannot avoid being in those envelopes if he has just written their names in them, the actual psychological angle, is to tell them to prove him wrong. Getting it wrong makes him look like, well, to be honest, David Brent. A parody in other words.
He clearly doesn't have 'How to Win Friends and Influence Oppo Fans' on his bookshelf.
I would say Clough is perhaps an even better example. Definitely the sort of manager that I could see a lot laughing at today, he'd probably even have a portrait of himself.
Anyway, I honestly don't pay much attention to what a manager says in public. It often doesn't correspond to their actual persona, and in the case of Rodgers whatever he's saying to the team is most important, especially when it's working wonders as it has so far.
Clough was closer to Shankly than Rodgers.
Any comparisons of Shankly and Clough to Brenton are just bonkers.
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