It's a bit strange that he prefers Sakho over Agger when it's clear who's the better defender out of the two.
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Having no Europe is a very thin excuse. Even if it is true, lets not ignore the fact that they have a summer to build the squad. Their first 11 is quite sorted bar a few defensive acquisitions.
They'll finish second (hopefully) and Rodgers may be given a kitty of 40-50 million. Given his recent history of making some great buys, why can't they add 3-4 good players who can then be used on a rotation basis? Its obviously not a given that they'll come back firing all cylinders next year as well but they do have a strong core of first teamers - Suarez, Sturridge, Henderson, Coutinho, Gerrard, Flannagan and other who will be there next year as well.
My only point is that they have to build on the squad and not rebuild a team like we or Spurs have to do.
Sakho has absolutely no balance while defending, but for some reason Liverpool fans laud him as if he is one of the best.
Btw, just saw the highlights. How stupid were the players to go all out attack even after leading 3-0.
His ability in the transfer market is overrated. Apart from Sturridge and Coutinho, he has largely bought rubbish.
Aspas, Luis Alberto, Borini, Sakho are all average. Allen and Mignolet are hardly top class. The less said about Toure etc is better. If they start Flannagan then they'll be thrashed in Europe.
I'm not sure if I agree with "great buys". He bought Allen, Aspas, Sakho. None of them have been great. Ilori and Alberto are far away from first team right now.
His recent busy bar Sturridge and Coutinho haven't exactly been great.
Aspas - 7m
Ilori - 6.5m
Alberto - 6.5m
Sakho 15m
Moses and Cissokho (loans)
Toure (free)
Other then Mignolet, that's a lot of expenditure on dross for one year.
Many thought the same when they finished 2nd all those years back as well. One season does not prove anything. It's how they can push on from here is what will be interesting to see. Frankly, they won't be able to cool their heels while the rest of the title contenders (excluding ourselves
) will be involved in mid-week matches this coming season. They will be part of it. So Rodgers won't simply be able to put out his best available 11 all the time, like he has done this season.Of the first team, he has bought Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet and Sakho. So you can say that he has bought quite of a few of the players that have been a part of a title chasing team.
Its great that you'll jump on his buys when frankly, neither us nor Spurs have fared any better. Not to mention that it doesn't take away from my original point that their first team core remains strong and while they have to build on that, us and Spurs require a re-haul of the first team and squad.
I'll add a small point to that. By making Henderson and some other players play the way they do, it indicates that it is as much about Redgers' system as it is about the players. Which means that if he adds 3-4 astute buys in the summer, they'll be better off than this year. A CB and a CM for the first team and they'll have a very very strong first team.
Be fair, we've been complaining about our recent transfers for the past couple of years bar RVP.
I'm not disagreeing with you there. Just think the notion he has made only great buys is wrong. Brendon Rodgers is obviously an exceptional manager, which is why it is so important they continue to flop and City finish them off.
It's also worth noting though that no Europe has been a big help. I know some write it off as a poor excuse but it's not. He hardly has had to rotate that team. And it cannot be stressed enough the impact that has both in terms of freshness and developing the understanding between players. Also worth noting that relative to competitors they've had less of an injury crisis.
A lot of things fell into place for them this year. Next year won't be as plain sailing. But yes, if we are speaking purely objectively, their rebuild is significantly easier than ours.
Agger's been crap though. He's definitely more composed and more of a leader, but if his form is the worst of the defenders at the club then its not going to keep you in the team
I don't think it is that obvious. Let's see if this is an exceptional season for Liverpool or if he is truly an exceptional manager. The judgement is still very much out there for the time being.
Why bring us when mentioning Liverpool's transfers?
Most of us accept that apart from perhaps DDG, Jones and RVP our forays in the transfer market in the past three-four years hasn't been satisfying at all.
Fair enough. I use the word exceptional loosely to be fair.
Oh but how much they miss leadership. Honestly leadership and organisation is so underrated. Vidic and Rio were brilliant defenders don't get me wrong, and VDS was a great keeper, but just like those 3 along with the other top trios in the PL (terry-carvalho-cech) what made them great is that you could always see them barking information to each other.
That's a fair argument.
This conversation started from the fact that you said that next year will be tougher for them because apart form City and Chelsea, we may be in the mix as well.
Ofcourse we'll be in the mix. We're replacing a rubbish manager with a manager of high pedigree who knows how to get the best out of Premier League's best players(RVP) and has rejuvenated several teams before.
You take that as a given but believe that Liverpool will find it tough because they won't be able to expand their squad well in the summer?
It's clear he's a good manager, but he's been strutting around all season playing the new Fergie when he's been doing well for like five minutes. So I'm glad to see this.
I'm not too sure it is, playing games away in Europe along with the travel time does have its affect on the squad. You look at Liverpools starting 11 and wonder how many of them are used to playing 3 times a week, they will need to use their entire squad which i dont really rate all to highly which means they will have to invest a lot in the coming summer which i just don't think they will have the funds for. It'll be what they always do quantity over quality
Not to the same extent United can. I heard that even with Liverpool finishing in the top 3 and UCL next season they can only afford to spend £40m in the summer. Thats not a lot of money when you think they need at least 2 defenders and need a few more players to improve the quality of the squad and not just the starting 11
I think Liverpool would be able to reinforce better this summer. They are now more attractive to players with a spot in CL guaranteed, and BR has kind of proven that he is bringing Liverpool on an upward trajectory.
Us on the other hand, is still trying to dispel impression of a team on a decline, and really needs a big name manager (like LVG) to attract good players.
That's a very haughty way of looking at things. I don't disagree that we may be able to spend more this one time. But we require a larger rebuild. Not to mention that they have a settled manager, players and a set system. We don't have any of that. So in terms of uncertainty, we currently are a lot less certain to bounce back than they are to retain their top 4 standing.
I think it's bullshit that we need a big name manager to attract players.
But without Europe we don't need a bigger squad. £200m (if the figure is correct) will be enough to build a good stable first team, I am just unsure in their case £40m will be enough to get the quality they need to cope with the strains of Europe - even with their current setup plus a few players.
Sadly though its the truth, we now need to rely on money and a top manager to make players believe we are on the up. Its a romantic notion that players will want to play for us because we're United but i dont think that works anymore
Of course we can always throw the kind of money that we are giving to Rooney to attract players, but you have to admit that there is more incentive to join a club managed by Sir Alex or LVG than the likes of David Moyes or Tim Sherwood.
Except it's not. Throw money at players and they'll join you. Point in case: Eden Hazard went to a managerless Chelsea instead of playing for us managed by Sir Alex.
Even when we had Sir Alex, we lost out of on plenty of players due to our failure of paying enough money.
Yeah fair enough.
Not to disagree with your point, but Chelsea at that time just won the CL, and it was widely reported that we were in but the deal fell through because Sir Alex refuse to bow to the ridiculous demands of the agents.
RvP didnt seem to think so, or Berbatov for that matter.
I just think if SAF was willing to accept that players agents take huge fees now we would have got a lot of top players because that appears to be the stubbling block of whenever we were in for a player and didnt get. Call me daft but i think having a top manager will attract players better than having someone like Moyes - more so when you havent got European football to tempt them with
I think you are being rather naive here. Obviously the likes of LvG and SAF are big names but it almost always comes down to money. As KM mentioned earlier, we have lost out on big talents despite SAF at the helm and us being a really strong force in Europe. One season of poor form does not dent an image built on decades of success. I am pretty sure even now that if we go head to head with Liverpool for a top player, we will get 9/10 players.
For every RVP or Berbs, there are examples of Lucas Moura, Nasri, Hazard, Sneijder, Varane etc
I think we matched, if not exceeded, what each player was going to get at a rival club. Moreover, those are generally the exception to the rule.
You think berbatov joined you cos of ferguson?
Maybe, but one of the most important factor in his decision is that he will probably win something like Carrick, rather than staying at Spurs who will always feck it up one way or another.
That's kind of my point. He moved to man utd cos his wage was higher, cos he was playing with better players and had a higher chance of trophies. He would have still moved whether ferguson or moyes was in charge.
Suarez running to take the ball from the next so the game restarts quicker at 3-0 is hilarious in hindsight.
Bad example, he was probably so eager to leave Tottenham he would have joined Stoke
Was just thinking that, it was cute that they actually thought they could turn the goal difference around.
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